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Sold! * 6th largest economy in the world: http://fortune.com/2016/06/17/california-france-6th-largest-economy/ * 5th least dependent on federal funds: https://wallethub.com/edu/states-most-least-dependent-on-the-federal-government/2700/ * Home to both Silicon Valley and Hollywood * One of the largest agricultural exporters in the world * Embraces diversity and tolerance * We also make really good wine Just think. Without California, you can have Republican Presidents indefinitely.
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The only way independent California could survive is if we didn't let the Southerners come with
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got any sevens posted:Lets just break off the coasts and wall off the central states The Des Moines Wall
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OWLS! posted:Hey sane liberals, remember when you made fun of the insane neocons for exactly this thing? Guess both sides have the crazies, huh. RIP the moral high ground.
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Nov 11, 2016 03:14
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The way out can be found in colorado: http://www.theverge.com/2016/11/8/13520908/assisted-suicide-colorado-death-dignity-right-die-election-2016
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Speaking of Colorado, the day California becomes independent is the day all the upstream states go "gently caress you" and divert the river, causing California to immediately revert into desert.
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Southern California is the poo poo part with no water. The rest of us have actual temperate terrain with watersheds
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Larry Parrish posted:Southern California is the poo poo part with no water. The rest of us have actual temperate terrain with watersheds Bye bye watersheds then as parts of them are redirected to SoCal.
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Xelkelvos posted:Bye bye watersheds then as parts of them are redirected to SoCal. There's literally a large movement for the whole north east chunk of California to secede and become a new state just so the Southerners stop getting our water.
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Nov 12, 2016 07:05
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As a California resident, I'm all for this. Not all for this enough to click that lovely link however.
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Nov 12, 2016 07:26
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Why bother? California will make its underwater exit once Trump dismantles the EPA
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The Port of Los Angeles is the #1 busiest port in USA by volume and value and #16 globally :+) (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Man Musk posted:The Port of Los Angeles is the #1 busiest port in USA by volume and value and #16 globally :+) Because their is a de facto free trade deal with the rest of America. Once we put the Cali tariffs in place, it won't be as busy  (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Wait, I don't get how those posts were probate-able
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Nov 12, 2016 12:59
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confused posted:Just think. Without California, you can have Republican Presidents indefinitely. Ronald Reagan was your fault Californailures.
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confused posted:Sold! Every five years or so some CA folks put forth how California is going to become its own nation but then they realize the entire thing would collapse in a month without the constant massive government assistance in the bolded area.
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A wild double post approaches!
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Teikanmi posted:Wait, I don't get how those posts were probate-able ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Peanut President posted:Ronald Reagan was your fault Californailures. Nixon, too!
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Jonny 290 posted:i have been a lifelong pacifist and i will volunteer myself into the trump army to drag those motherfuckers back kicking and screaming into the mess they helped make not emptyquoting
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Teikanmi posted:Wait, I don't get how those posts were probate-able Forget it, Jake. It's Trump's America.
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the second american civil war will not be sparked on c-spam!!!!!
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Baloogan posted:the second american civil war will not be sparked on c-spam!!!!! A great pity.
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Whatcha do is, you just take a big bomb and load it on a truck, right, then you drive it out in the desert. Do some computer modeling so you can find basically where the bomb needs to go, then blow off the bomb. You probably want to do this by remote so nobody gets hurt. But the thing about this bomb is that it sets off the Big Quake and just breaks the California mass off America. No bullshit about nullification or can you legally secede from the union. Physically secede from the union. Since we're in some bullshit movie comic book timeline anyway might as well act on it.
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I think that's the direction Westworld is going rn
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How you gonna secede if you ain't got no water!
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Pinch Me Im Meming posted:http://www.yescalifornia.org/ Yeah... as a farmer in the Central Valley I'm not up for being pulled into some libertopian paradise that the San Francisco and LA dream up. Instant civil war upon secession. Thanks.
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BeAuMaN posted:Yeah... as a farmer in the Central Valley I'm not up for being pulled into some libertopian paradise that the San Francisco and LA dream up. Instant civil war upon secession. Thanks. I'm with you brother. Vote for secession and then we can easily overthrow and purge the city elite since they spent the last 20 years melting down their guns and patting themselves on the back
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BeAuMaN posted:Yeah... as a farmer in the Central Valley I'm not up for being pulled into some libertopian paradise that the San Francisco and LA dream up. Instant civil war upon secession. Thanks. Think of it this way. If California becomes a nation, I'd guess that our agriculture industry would go from being as important to the state as high tech and entertainment to it's most important industry by a wide margin. If economic circumstances change, technology and entertainment can relocate to other places. You can't move fertile land. Beyond that, it would be California's key to creating beneficial trade deals. People can live without iPhones, they can't live without food. Edit: I looked up some data on farm subsidies. Look where California falls with regards to money from the federal government: https://farm.ewg.org/progdetail.php?fips=00000&progcode=total&page=states®ionname=theUnitedStates California receives less than half of the amount of money Iowa gets. confused has issued a correction as of 08:08 on Nov 14, 2016 |
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Peanut President posted:I say we let california secede and then we nuke it. Nevada will be unfortunate collateral damage *revs up v-8 and rallies warbois*
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It'll be cool when ever republican in California moves to Austin.
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the parched central valley shall become an endless, glimmering field of solar power as we all survive off our soylent
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i wont take calexit seriously until i see the tie
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scuba school sucks posted:Whatcha do is, you just take a big bomb and load it on a truck, right, then you drive it out in the desert. Do some computer modeling so you can find basically where the bomb needs to go, then blow off the bomb. You probably want to do this by remote so nobody gets hurt. But the thing about this bomb is that it sets off the Big Quake and just breaks the California mass off America. No bullshit about nullification or can you legally secede from the union. Physically secede from the union. 
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Teikanmi posted:be honest though nasa is cool as heck
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confused posted:California receives less than half of the amount of money Iowa gets. A few of Iowa's farmers would have you believe that they are the only people in the US with a strong enough will and work ethic to keep the whole thing propped up, but god gives them 40 acres of arable farmland with a house and they still have to beg for cheap loans and subsidies. I mean I think Regan's administration actually made the same argument in the 80's, and they still voted him in, and then he just hosed with them. They'd vote for the ghost of Mao Zedong if you could figure out a good western name for him. I think Iowa produces far more food products and food stock than California though. I'd imagine having a small farm near where people actually need that much food would work out pretty well. I just can't imagine being desolate or starving as a single household with that much land, even if you include the hands that help work it, unless you've gone and mortgaged the whole thing. But you know, being a city slicker I owe my life to them since I'm apparently too brainwashed and spoiled to figure out how a chicken works. Edit: There is a ton of good information on EWG's website that I didn't know about. I mean this puts it way better than I did: https://farm.ewg.org/subsidyprimer.php dougdrums has issued a correction as of 22:14 on Nov 14, 2016 |
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dougdrums posted:A few of Iowa's farmers would have you believe that they are the only people in the US with a strong enough will and work ethic to keep the whole thing propped up, but god gives them 40 acres of arable farmland with a house and they still have to beg for cheap loans and subsidies. I mean I think Regan's administration actually made the same argument in the 80's, and they still voted him in, and then he just hosed with them. They'd vote for the ghost of Mao Zedong if you could figure out a good western name for him. I think Iowa produces far more food products and food stock than California though. At a certain point, small "family" farms will and should be phased out as they're proportionally more costly to operate compared to large, industrial farms. Not that they're any better, but they're more efficient what with economies of scale and everything. Obviously there are niches that can be filled by smaller types of farms because of certain specialties which require more attention than the hardier mass market varieties or have a smaller market cap or some other economic reason, but farming because the family's been doing it needs to be a thing of the past at this point. Of course everyone, private or public, who's into farming will pay to keep agricultural subsidies around, but I'd imagine enough of a PR campaign to paint it as a sort of government handout/welfare would sour any non-farmer on it a tinge.
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Terror Sweat posted:nasa is cool as heck Without JPL in Cali they'd be dick hosed
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Yeah the farmers who I know of that aren't in the aforementioned group put huge rear end feed lots onto corn/soy farms that went under or became otherwise not arable, and now them and the farm hands who I personally know are doing pretty well.
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Xelkelvos posted:At a certain point, small "family" farms will and should be phased out as they're proportionally more costly to operate compared to large, industrial farms. Not that they're any better, but they're more efficient what with economies of scale and everything. Obviously there are niches that can be filled by smaller types of farms because of certain specialties which require more attention than the hardier mass market varieties or have a smaller market cap or some other economic reason, but farming because the family's been doing it needs to be a thing of the past at this point. Of course everyone, private or public, who's into farming will pay to keep agricultural subsidies around, but I'd imagine enough of a PR campaign to paint it as a sort of government handout/welfare would sour any non-farmer on it a tinge. Most of those subsidies for California are for Cotton... which drives people to plant Cotton because of subsidies. Which hey, if there's one strength to the whole CalExit thing, it's that California's subsidies won't be driven by federal farming subsidies that are mainly focused on the midwest. And uh, yeah... let's phase out family farms... We can watch as they slowly get absorbed into 3 large corporations that run the farms across all the United States, until they finally merge into Food Corp. I mean, hey, large centralized power has worked for our banks, I'm sure it will work just fine for our food supply. And I'm sure the lovely lobbying that we see done by the likes of Resnick or Gallo or JG Boswell won't be worse. Certainly not. Color me skeptical. Also looking on this list, I don't see my name on the recipient of subsidies. Geez I need to really work harder at getting on that government teet. Maybe I need to plant Cotton inbetween the grape vines to qualify? Or rice apparently.
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