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Next president says they're gonna legalise weed nationally, and the Dems just don't back down on it. Everywhere it was up for a vote, Legal Weed passed, and there's no chance Pence and Guiliani don't try to go nazi on states rights to decriminalise. C'mon, you know this would work.
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Vox Nihili posted:With Keith as chair this might actually be possible. Because he's Muslim?
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Nov 14, 2016 23:50
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TyrantWD posted:Trump's mess is not going to undeniably clear to enough people until midway through a second term. You are not going to be able to run on fixing Donald's mess until 2024. Bullshit. His approval is rock bottom now and he's only going to tunnel lower. He is already turning on every one of his "shake the system" promises. This is even if there isn't an economic crash that gets hung around his neck, which there's a slim chance there won't be.
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Nov 16, 2016 00:33
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And Bush showed that without a 9/11, that poo poo doesn't work. Even with one, reality eventually gets through.
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Nov 16, 2016 01:54
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The War in Iraq didn't show itself to be a complete and total flaming poo poo show til 2006, when everyone realised there was no end condition. Even then the major cracks weren't obvious til 2005.
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Nov 16, 2016 02:14
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Popular_opinion_in_the_United_States_on_the_invasion_of_Iraq The Iraq war didn't become unpopular with a majority of Americans til mid 2005. By the end of 2006 that number became 2/3rds. War does not keep people elected. Popular wars do.
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Nov 16, 2016 03:34
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Kal Penn. Same level of quality of films and with actual experience in government.
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Nov 16, 2016 03:45
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2020 is after the release of Afflecks solo Batman movie, right? I think America is ready for president Batman.
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Nov 16, 2016 03:51
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Gringostar posted:this was said about DiCaprio until recently Still don't agree that this performance of his was more deserving than others. But okay fine, no-one is gonna claim he deserves an Oscar. On the subject of making lovely movies and winning Oscar's, how is Mccounaughey affiliated?
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Nov 16, 2016 03:59
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MustelaFuro posted:President Samuel L. Jackson. Haha. That'd be something. Nah, Denzel Washington. Only major black actor to never play the president is the one to be one in real life. Fulchrum has issued a correction as of 04:34 on Nov 16, 2016 |
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Nov 16, 2016 04:32
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There's a good chance that whoever is President after Trump will be president when we have astronauts reach Mars. So having it be Damon would be pretty weird.
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Nov 16, 2016 05:21
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NumberLast posted:Not likely Trump is going to convert NASA into a space themed casino. So it'll go bankrupt, letting a group of brave people who throw off Trump's propaganda to find it and relaunch a mission to get off the blasted, ecologically destroyed mess Trump left, and reach a new galaxy. And now we're back to Mccounaughey.
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Nov 16, 2016 06:38
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NumberLast posted:His campaign ads will be amazing "Candidate McConaughey is currently only polling at 17% of registered voters. However, sales of Lincolns and Wild Turkey have gone up fourfold."
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Nov 16, 2016 07:09
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Knight Boat posted:I nominate Chris Evans. People will vote for Captain America. Attack ads will consist solely of clips of him playing the Human Torch. VOiceover: Can America trust the judgement of a man who said yes to Rise of the Silver Surfer? Gizmoduck_5000 posted:Ron Perlman. Won't work. I'll spend his entire time thinking this is just another one of Slades hosed up and sadistic plots.
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Nov 16, 2016 10:31
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In his inauguration speech, he puts on an eyepatch and announces that he has decided to reveal to the world the Avengers initiative.
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Nov 16, 2016 10:58
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Larry Parrish posted:I think it's good that a politician wants to stick to their views and not weather vane all over the place. Not that I don't think Grabbards views are retarded. I just think integrity is a value and can respect that Grabbard deserves an opinion "I like people who stick to retarded opinions and never let facts or logic shift them". Jesus what the gently caress What on earth do people utterly like about this islamaphobic homophobe?
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Nov 16, 2016 20:36
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The incoming DNC chairperson is a Muslim. The anti-islam stuff alone is a deal breaker on getting ahead. It'd be like if a raging antisemite had been up for the position this cycle.
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Nov 16, 2016 22:03
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loving unbelievable. Republicans win with a white supremacist and you're anxious to throw minorities under the bus to catch up to them. I continue to say Duckworth - I even wanted her for VP. I think claims of her being dumb are seriously overblown.
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Nov 17, 2016 02:37
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Vox Nihili posted:Do you even know a single thing about Duckworth? I'm serious. Favors greatly expanding admission of refugees. Favors long examination of military expenditure. Will not stand for BS put up by people who hide behind optics. Will not rise to bait despite what her opponents say, will attack on the issues every time and won't just say "look at what this man said to me". Gave limbs for her country, and back home she still thinks she has more to give it. Yes, I know a few things about Ladda Duckworth. Enough to think that she's a woman who would steer America right if given the wheel.
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Nov 17, 2016 04:15
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Ace of Baes posted:The people who give a poo poo voted for a man recorded on video bragging about performing sexual assault, theyre not voting democrat, the Democrats need the millions of people who showed up to vote for a Black man named Barrack Hussein Obama. Not the anti Islamic biases of the voters, those of Grabbard who people are trying to champion as the dems hope for 2020. It's pretty goddamn bad when people cannot tell whether we're talking about Trump voters, or the person that's supposedly gonna save us from them. KRock posted:I just hope we get a competitive primary in 2020, with at least 8-9 candidates to choose from. The fact that we only had 5 candidates (2 of whom dropped out before Iowa) should have been an early warning sign as to what was to become of the Democrats this year. Yeah, even more fracturing and bitterness, that'll loving help.
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Nov 20, 2016 12:29
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You can't force unity but you can sure as gently caress destroy it, mainly by inserting and legitimizing bullshit conspiracies about a coronation process and how the system was rigged and unfair. And a reminder that there was a referenda, dragged out way, way past the point where it was obvious one side won and one side lost. Mind pointing out all the great and wonderful things dragging the primary to the end did? Cause from where I'm sitting, the end result was that the primary bitterness just festered and became impossible to kill, killing support for the winner. Fulchrum has issued a correction as of 13:13 on Nov 20, 2016 |
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Nov 20, 2016 13:09
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KRock posted:I haven't the faintest idea of what your preferred alternative is. The 2016 Democratic primaries were a loving joke; 5 candidates, 2 of which dropped out before Iowa. Is that what we want to emulate going forward? 17, a full half of which dropped out before a single vote was cast. Jeb dropped out in February. Rubio in March. Meanwhile, the Democratic primary didn't and would not end until the 25th of July. How can you possibly look at that and think this was a good thing, and should ever be repeated?
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Nov 21, 2016 01:02
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KRock posted:. quote:As a result, it drew more media attention and excitement, compared to the snooze fest on the GOP side, in which McCain quietly consolidated support. That year turned out pretty well for the Democrats, did it not? How much of that media attention was on The GOP as a whole, and how much was just on Trump getting $3 billion in free advertising? How would that have helped them if literally anyone else got the nomination?
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Nov 21, 2016 03:09
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You know what else supported Bernie Sanders? West Virginia.
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Nov 21, 2016 19:44
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GlyphGryph posted:I also think there's a lot of different stuff people mean when they talk about identity in politics and identity politics. Oh yeah, fighting against torture of gay people and the forced public humiliation of trans individuals is just for "representation". Totally nothing important or meaningful being done there. This is entirely why people see a tradeoff - because you are so loving eager to poo poo on all the progress on social issues that we have made it makes it clear you don't consider those victories important in any way, and thus, they will be ignored or regress if we listen to you. Suckthemonkey posted:It's about perception. Hillary talked a bit about economics (and certainly had plenty on her website about it), but if people wanted to distill a singular message from her campaign, it wouldn't be that -- it'd probably be something along the lines of 'Donald Trump hates women.' Hillary's economics plans weren't bad -- they're at least as good as Obama's, for what it's worth -- but despite her proposals for job expansion, minimum wage, etc, the underlying message toward it always seemed to come across (to me at least) as 'things are pretty good now, so let's keep doing that.' The thing is, despite what U3 unemployment numbers may suggest, the economy still sucks hard for a lot of people, and she did not acknowledge or tap into that. But that message never got out. Most of that is on the Clinton Campaign not putting the proper focus on that, but you must admit, a large bit is on the news channels, where discussion of policy loving nosedived this year.
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Nov 24, 2016 21:59
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And now we see you going beyond that to pretending that Dems didn't do anything to advance these causes and that they just naturally happened regardless of politics, so of course we can ignore them completely and things will go great. You're about 5 posts away from going full Ted Rall "maybe a few neo-nazi beatings and round of national humiliation will make gay people ready to support the revolution".
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Nov 24, 2016 23:23
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So if your argument is that no worthwhile change cones from politicians, but from the public opinion and the groups trying to change it, I assume your conclusion is that economic populist groups on the left just loving suck and it's all their fault? No? Amazing how that works in your brain.GlyphGryph posted:Because they are demanding things you actually want but cant say out loud without alienating parts of your base? It's so lucky for them that progressives decide not to dirty themselves and their purity by voting in midterms and putting the dems inevitably in a spot where they have no alternative but to do that. Anime Schoolgirl posted:someone needs to find the exact point in time neoliberalism took hold in the democratic party and erase the people responsible for it Don't bother, I've got the answer you'll come to - "as soon as anything bad happened and we need to scapegoat someone".
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Nov 24, 2016 23:58
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Fiction posted:Yes we all know the story about how the DNC hosed McGovern to prove a point Never, ever, ever your fault is it? The problem is always everyone else.
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Nov 25, 2016 03:41
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zegermans posted:Eugenics was a progressive invention. I think you'll find that eugenics is bad and progressivism is good, therefore it is impossible for eugenics to ever come from progressivism since something bad can never come from good . 1. 1. - this is a fact.
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Nov 25, 2016 05:06
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Vox Nihili posted:Eugenics traces it's origin to the study of evolutionary science. With that in mind, I think we can easily conclude that evolution, science, and anything that developed from either is evil. Checkmate. *Slams face against red-hot waffle iron* Wow, you sure managed to show us that a simplistic black and white way of thinking where everything good comes from one place is sensible, by pointing out how dumb it sounds when you claim everything evil comes from it instead.
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Nov 25, 2016 05:25
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Vox Nihili posted:Again, you're doing the fishmech thing where you ascribe wild claims to another poster without even the slimmest justification. It's pathetic. Aren't you ashamed of yourself? Yeah, I guess you're right, it's not like he claimed something insanely stupid like that socialists and progressives are responsible for every good thing the Democrats have ever done.
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Nov 25, 2016 05:47
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You know, gently caress it, this might be entertaining. Let's see if you can justify that the state children's healthcare insurance program is actually all thanks to Elizabeth Warren or something, and that the eeeeevil Hillary and Ted Kennedy both tried to destroy it to feast on children's souls or some poo poo.
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Nov 25, 2016 05:59
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Fiction posted:Based on a piece of legislation that was passed in Massachusetts by progressives! I'll give you that they didn't actively attempt to worsen it like they did with mass incarceration and financial regulation tho. loving hell, warn a man next time. You threw those goalposts so quickly it nearly took my head off. So now you've moved it from "progressives were totally the only people who ever did anything good ever, and everyone else was either totally lazy and did nothing, or were meany mean pants who totally tried to stop it" to "progressives were involved, somewhere, at some level, and contributed something, maybe". And even that's loving wrong. Fighting the EPA on lying about hazards at ground zero, Healthcare for first responders, and the James Zedrogra 9/11 Health and Compensation Act. Go.
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themrguy posted:Controversial hot take:politicsans can produce meaningful legislation that improves people's lives but can also do bad things as well What about Ted Cruz?
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Nov 25, 2016 09:39
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Fiction posted:Also lol at the idea that Ted Kennedy isn't a progressive. And Hillary Clintons dream of legislating universal health care was stopped by a billion dollar advertising push and combined effort that showed they would never allow it to happen. So I guess that makes Hillary more of a progressive than Kennedy. So now you're going with the other tool of a dumbass who knows he has lost the argument but cannot bring himself to admit it, just loving making up the definition of words into whatever might make what you said true.
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Vox Nihili posted:You're making up the opposing arguments in your head. You're deranged. Alright, let's see if you can come up with one non-tortured interpretation of what he said that isn't exactly what I'm asking him to justify. Condiv posted:The founder of planned parenthood was into eugenics. Does that make planned parenthood good or bad? Yep, that sure does make it clear that arguing all good things have only ever come from one group, and everything bad ever is all the fault of every other group, is loving stupid. Maybe you should check to see who is arguing that. Fulchrum has issued a correction as of 22:15 on Nov 25, 2016 |
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cams posted:you have an inherent difficulty communicating or comprehending ideas Considering that you're the ones trying to argue that the words "Socialists and progressives are responsible for all of the good things the Democratic party has done, and they happened in spite of-not because of- the party structure." don't actually mean that he is trying to claim that socialists and progressives are responsible for all the good things, and that everyone else just tried to stop them, I'm not the one with problems comprehending meaning.
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I still say Duckworth. Yet to see any reason not to like her.
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Nov 26, 2016 05:33
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Condiv posted:no, what he said is that centrist democrats are incapable of doing anything good, not that leftists are incapable of evil. maybe you should attack him on the obvious hyperbole (for example, by providing examples of centrist dems doing good things, they exist!) instead of things he didn't actually say? You mean like exactly what I did, followed by laughing at the tortured logic he used to try and justify his positions. Slime Bro Helpdesk posted:Most of my friends like Tammy Duckworth, because they are from the Western burbs of Chicago and would like an eggplant so long as it was running as a Dem. How about actually knowing something about her before we say that she is lovely?
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GlyphGryph posted:You know, saying you did things doesnt retroactively make them done. So did my posts about SCHIP, fighting the EPA on ground zero conditions and Zadroga all just delete themselves from your browser? I support her because she has that perfect balance of calm in the face of criticism and balls out fighter when something is clearly wrong that you need out of a leader.
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