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I'm going to quote myself again because it's just so loving ridiuclous.punk rebel ecks posted:How did the Democrats gently caress up THIS BAD!?
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punk rebel ecks posted:I'm going to quote myself again because it's just so loving ridiuclous. They did, the real problem is that a huge chunk of the electorate is in massive decline and neither party has a solution for them, so they swing against whoever appears to be in power. That's been the Democrats in 2010, 2014, and 2016, but it was the GOP in 2006 and 2008. The only reason 2012 wasn't a GOP wave was the raw political talent of Obama. This isn't to say a 2018 Dem wave is assured, but it's a real goal to work towards.
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Nov 14, 2016 06:30
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The democrats are losing more elections aren't they
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Nov 14, 2016 06:33
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Gringostar posted:you joke but... remember when donald trump proposed a massive one time wealth tax on all individual net worth to pay off the entire national debt at once? good times
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Nov 14, 2016 06:36
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anime was right posted:http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/obama-clinton-democrats-231301 Obama and Hillary need to get the gently caress out forever.
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Nov 14, 2016 06:40
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Typo posted:The democrats are losing more elections aren't they literally never heard of that site before and a quick google of that author's name turns up a dozen people's LinkedIns
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Nov 14, 2016 06:42
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We must purge the centrists, but especially the third way or conservative except we sit on the left kind of centrist
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Nov 14, 2016 06:43
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Mutant Standard posted:is there some some web 3.0 bullshit website for finding... I dunno... political campaigns to participate in? advocacy groups to help out? hope? any way to channel this anxiety and anger into something productive? i guess not then huh
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Nov 14, 2016 06:46
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LinYutang posted:bernie openly firing broadsides at the Dem establishment I like to think this was specifically aimed at Barney Frank and poo poo like this - http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/12/bank-reform-barney-frank-wall-street-213412.
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Sheng-ji Yang posted:remember when donald trump proposed a massive one time wealth tax on all individual net worth to pay off the entire national debt at once? good times gently caress it, why not
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Nov 14, 2016 06:51
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Mutant Standard posted:i guess not then huh call ur state DNC person and yell at them https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1S7w8tvS0NWA3AX8JdFjZLLAW7f_S4hp2T3416ttjBtg/edit otherwise there's an activism thread for like nonprofits and such if you wanna get into that
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Nov 14, 2016 06:54
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Mutant Standard posted:is there some some web 3.0 bullshit website for finding... I dunno... political campaigns to participate in? advocacy groups to help out? hope? any way to channel this anxiety and anger into something productive? You can help us struggle for socialism against this barbarism comrade* *in 3 to 4 weeks as everyone takes a while to process the surge in new applicants https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3760900
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Nov 14, 2016 06:57
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Mutant Standard posted:from a new york times article i googled: jesus christ gently caress the establishment and their myopia, this is just one of the biggest and longest elaborate ritual of seppuku ive ever seen from them
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Nov 14, 2016 06:58
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poo poo a balanced budget amendment would be good for Republicans long term cause it'd make it harder for democrats to fund Fixing Things if/when they take back over.
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Nov 14, 2016 06:58
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Larry Parrish posted:We must purge the centrists, but especially the third way or conservative except we sit on the left kind of centrist im in favor of giving centrists and third wayers a choice between joining the new democrats, or the guillotine
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Nov 14, 2016 07:02
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The GOP is going to pass as many constitutional amendments as possible to cement power. They're not going to avoid doing that for some good of the nation bullshit. How many times over the past 8 years did we have debt ceiling and shutdown fights? Previously rare political crises became the norm because of GOP political strategy.
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Atrocious Joe posted:You can help us struggle for socialism against this barbarism comrade* this is the democrats rebuilding thread not the convert people to hopeless causes thread or is it??????? 
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Nov 14, 2016 07:04
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The new deal would never have happened without the imminent threat of the Progressive movement threatening to explode into rebellion I don't think things are that bad but it's worth mentioning I guess
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A GIANT PARSNIP posted:They did, the real problem is that a huge chunk of the electorate is in massive decline and neither party has a solution for them, so they swing against whoever appears to be in power. That's been the Democrats in 2010, 2014, and 2016, but it was the GOP in 2006 and 2008. Adding to that, it helped that a lot of the Democratic figures who did the worst in '10 and '14 were just terrible candidates on their own merits.
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Nov 14, 2016 07:10
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The Dems only control a couple more state governments than any US socialist party. The gap in number of elected officials between Dems and socialists is increasingly narrow.
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Larry Parrish posted:The new deal would never have happened without the imminent threat of the Progressive movement threatening to explode into rebellion Fishmech level post here but in the early 20th century progressives were pretty distinct from socialists, communists, and labor radicals. I think a lot of progressive did became part of New Deal coalitions, but in the preceding decades they favored "good governance" over popular participation in government or equal rights for many groups. You are right though that the New Deal was only possible because capital was legitimately concerned about revolution.
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and the second new deal only happened because FDR was terrified of Huey Long running third party and splitting his vote
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logikv9 posted:only after they repeal the 17th the thirteenth
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Atrocious Joe posted:The Dems only control a couple more state governments than any US socialist party. The gap in number of elected officials between Dems and socialists is increasingly narrow. The wealth gap is near or surpassing what it was leading up to the New Deal. Things are going to get far worse and education costs increase and competition increases for those spots in university. The future is a big mess under the current capitalist system. We are going to need a new New Deal in the relatively near future out of necessity. Automation of vehicles along with production of goods and services is going to wipe out so many jobs, and there won't be enough jobs, or educated people to take new jobs. We are seriously in a bad spot, and anyone who says otherwise isn't looking at the technological and economic trends. I don't know what the future holds, but I do know that we are headed towards a brick wall at 100mph and I don't want to find out what the result of that is.
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big juicy nectarine posted:I like to think this was specifically aimed at Barney Frank and poo poo like this - http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/12/bank-reform-barney-frank-wall-street-213412. There used to be a time when I really respected Barney Frank. But due to his idiotic "incrementalism" strategies, being dismissive and condescending as gently caress to left wing activists, and his strong stance against against transparency.
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Nov 14, 2016 07:24
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my fb is real bad right now. real real real bad. i hate fb so much. so many fingers in the ears.
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Atrocious Joe posted:You can help us struggle for socialism against this barbarism comrade* with chuck schumer and nancy pelosi leading the senate and the house as minority leaders, two old moneyed assholes from tech and wallstreet the democrats are sure to retake congress in 2018 
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reignonyourparade posted:poo poo a balanced budget amendment would be good for Republicans long term cause it'd make it harder for democrats to fund Fixing Things if/when they take back over. It would, buuuuuuuuuut they'll never pass it. It's one of those carrots they dangle but they know it's a bad idea. Why? 1. Their own personal pet projects. Or, in a simpler term: the military. Or to expand: the military buys equipment from companies that just happen to also fund campaigns for that district's republican representative. 2. HEY GUYS, WE JUST GOT ATTACKED. DO WE A. CUT ALL FUNDING FOR EVERYTHING BUT THE MILITARY OR B. RAISE TAXES. See also: term limits, lobbying reform
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anime was right posted:my fb is real bad right now. real real real bad. i hate fb so much. Ask them how they intend to fix it, then report back!
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Nov 14, 2016 07:32
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Sheng-ji Yang posted:Huey Long Was he very authoritarian?
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punk rebel ecks posted:I keep hearing bad things about this guy from a fair bit amount of establishment Dems. They say they don't like my methods. Well, I don't like them either. I really don't like to have to do things the way I do. I'd much rather get up before the legislature and say, 'Now this is a good law and it's for the benefit of the people, and I'd like you to vote for it in the interest of the public welfare.' Only I know that laws ain't made that way. You've got to fight fire with fire.
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punk rebel ecks posted:I keep hearing bad things about this guy from a fair bit amount of establishment Dems. I've heard so many versions of who Huey Long was lol.Someone people say he was just a power hungry guy who wanted to ride populism to the White House, others say he was the public and legitimate face of a communist movement. None of them were ever positive though
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Mutant Standard posted:Oh, Dean was a lobbyist for Dentons. Jesus Christ, Denton.
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Larry Parrish posted:I've heard so many versions of who Huey Long was lol.Someone people say he was just a power hungry guy who wanted to ride populism to the White House, others say he was the public and legitimate face of a communist movement. he was good
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huey long was the greatest american leftwing populist ever, more so than even la follette, and if he hadnt been shot would have been president. that said, despite being relatively tolerant for a southerner at the time on race issues, he was still pretty drat racist. i strongly recommend T. Harry Williams' bio, it dispels all the bs about him being The Next Hitler and whatever but calls him out where he was poo poo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEUHEX4g4Cc
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Yeah I wouldn't call Long a communist, as communists at the time considered him to be a fascist. (Look up CPUSA literature on him -- back when the CPUSA was an extension of the Comintern.) But I don't think that was accurate, and he was maybe more of a Peronist? He attracted support from fascists like Charles Coughlin, but the extent of their relationship is unclear to me. Edit: OK this is Wikipedia but: Peronism is widely regarded as a form of corporate socialism, or "right-wing socialism".[2] Perón's public speeches were consistently nationalist and populist. It would be difficult to separate Peronism from corporate nationalism, for Perón nationalized Argentina's large corporations, blurring distinctions between corporations and government. At the same time, the labor unions became corporate, ceding the right to strike in agreements with Perón as Secretary of Welfare in the military government from 1943–45. In exchange, the state was to assume the role of negotiator between conflicting interests. That ... sounds like how Long governed Louisiana. BrutalistMcDonalds has issued a correction as of 07:57 on Nov 14, 2016 |
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Gringostar posted:im in favor of giving centrists and third wayers a choice between joining the new democrats, or the guillotine Wow, the Zero Tolerance Schools are really taking being intolerant to the next level. Its almost like we have warring factions of racially intolerant people vs the gluten intolerant masses. Both sides problem is being intolerant.
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What made Huey Long "fascist"? Or "authoritarian"? What did he do that was so shocking?
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Wikkheiser posted:Yeah I wouldn't call Long a communist, as communists at the time considered him to be a fascist. (Look up CPUSA literature on him -- back when the CPUSA was an extension of the Comintern.) coughlin didnt really become an antisemite fascist until after Long died. he basically hijacked the organization Long built and turned into a fascist thing Wikkheiser posted:
Peronism benefited a certain sect of elite, whereas Long was an out and out populist whose base of support were poor white farmers in the north of LA. he was at war with the wealthy of the entire state the entire time he was governor and senator, which eventually got him killed. honestly id compare him to a Hugo Chavez without the leftist trappings
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