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comedyblissoption posted:even if clinton is not corrupt, she still has the extreme appearance of impropriety and conflict of interest when she gets giant bags of money rained down on her from wall street Clinton does not matter anymore. What we do next matters.
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hillary should have promised millions of solar jobs in the who-gives-a-gently caress states and said it ten thousand times.
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Vox Nihili posted:YOU'RE just supposed to be WITH ME! it's not my job to campaign and win!! (it is precisely your job & you let us all down & now we're all crying and screaming & possibly dying soon) i mean besides anime was right's fantastic post all i'm seeing about what she could have done better is "immediately concede to bernie sanders who would have won because[insert fanfiction]"
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Nov 10, 2016 03:57
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Yinlock posted:i mean besides anime was right's fantastic post all i'm seeing about what she could have done better is "immediately concede to bernie sanders who would have won because[insert fanfiction]" because he actually had a message. abuela didn't and that's why she lost
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Nov 10, 2016 03:59
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when i heard about the secret wall speech speeches thing i wasn't much bothered by it - clinton is friendly with wall street? you don't say - until i discovered they were given post-2008 she didn't need the money and she should have been well aware that it was a bad time to associate herself with the financial elite just as a matter of political expediency Venom Snake posted:Clinton does not matter anymore. What we do next matters. this is officially the campaign autopsy thread, tbf
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Condiv posted:because he actually had a message. abuela didn't and that's why she lost bernie was literally a broken record with a simple idea: gently caress wall street and gently caress the megacorporations, they stole your jobs and have bought everyone off so they don't have to bring them back. also, more poo poo for you seemed to work p well.
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Peel posted:when i heard about the secret wall speech speeches thing i wasn't much bothered by it - clinton is friendly with wall street? you don't say - until i discovered they were given post-2008 Yeah, but like I'm more interested in how we fix the failures than just screaming into the void yknow? We can argue about the actual person clinton herself but I think the biggest gently caress ups lay with her high level campaign operatives tbh
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rex rabidorum vires posted:They sold the win. I think this is the big take away. All of a sudden all the conspiratorial gripes by both Sanders and even Trump surrogates are not only validated, but it makes anyone who believed in the establishment look like complete idiots. Like, if the polls were actual garbage and dunking on Trump 24/7 was a waste of time then what else sold to us as necessary parts of the political sausage making machine are actually necessary?
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the main problem, is that bernie sanders, was right
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Nov 10, 2016 04:02
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Cross postin this from the other threadDryGoods posted:James Carville said something interesting last night. There were two factions in the early days of the Clinton campaign. One wanted her to reach out to those hurt and still hurting by the Great Recession, telling them how the Dems didn't forget them. The other wanted her to skate by, using her temperament and the established voting blocs who vote D no matter what. One side won the debate and lost the election.
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Venom Snake posted:Clinton does not matter anymore. What we do next matters. Probably shouldn't put up candidates with massive approval deficits. People don't show up to vote for someone they don't like, and we loving forgot that. Trump and Clinton both got fewer votes than the last two guys who lost. We can argue about GOTV operations or if we're being differential enough to "rural whites" or we can try again with candidates people actually want to loving vote for.
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Venom Snake posted:Yeah, but like I'm more interested in how we fix the failures than just screaming into the void yknow? We can argue about the actual person clinton herself but I think the biggest gently caress ups lay with her high level campaign operatives tbh Guillotines
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So, the weird and uncomfortable thing is that the next elections are going to rely even more heavily on the white vote, because if you thought voter suppression was bad this cycle you aint seen nothing yet. The Republicans own the Executive, Legislative and State governments, and are one bad weekend away from establishing a 6:3 majority in the Supreme Court. Black people in battleground states are going to need four forms of ID submitted in triplicate via fax only six weeks prior to even approach a polling station twenty miles away with a second biometric scanner that samples their rectal lining before they can vote.
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Nov 10, 2016 04:04
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anime was right posted:bernie was literally a broken record with a simple idea: literally put trump into office, turns out a large number of people who are poor and hosed have a single issue of "promise to unfuck us" and don't give a poo poo about gay marriage or abortion or whether or not the candidate is socialist the autopsy is basically "you better hope the country stays hosed up so the next person can swoop in and promise to fix it this time", but "hope the country gets hosed up when the other party is running everything" has been the deal for years so nothing matters, death is certain, hail satan
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Nov 10, 2016 04:04
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hmm i wonder why hillary lostquote:A New Hampshire voter asked: "As president, would you sign a bill, yes or no please, in favor of allowing they Keystone XL pipeline?" hmm hmm
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Nov 10, 2016 04:05
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:She literally threatened the livelihoods of coal miners, and tried to soothe them by promising a vague "aid" package, without ever clarifying what it would do. which is really easy: free retraining (college or tech school, your choice) for those who want/can retrain, GMI for the rest so they can live out their lives in comfort. paid for by taxing the very people who made them poor. just lol she couldn't bring herself to even float that.
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Zikan posted:Cross postin this from the other thread gee, i wonder which faction was run by wall street and corporations lol
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VenomSnake, do you know why the campaign never tried to push back on Trump's economic 'plans'? it was a huge mass of feel-good contradictory bullshit (the mills and factories will come back, rebuilt with gleaming new American steel, and your old jobs will come back with them; the wall will go up at no cost to the US; military spending will increase massively; the yoogest tax cuts for everyone) but even just watching his rallies i could see it resonated hugely with his base. did no one think it worthwhile to try and put forward a counter-vision, or even just hit on how unrealistic Trump's plans were (or are I guess, cause jesus loving christ he's probably gonna try enacting them now)? edit: i mean, i'm not really expecting you to know this, but it absolutely astound me that they let him get away with it, so i might as well ask. and thanks for making the thread, btw. Apraxin has issued a correction as of 04:09 on Nov 10, 2016 |
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Back in 2006, I was angry. Angry at the Republicans, angry at the weakness of the Dems. I was hard left, and wanted to destroy the current government. Then later Obama happened. Yea! He was a good person. I started to calm down. We got piddling reforms, and I supported the Dems and blamed Republicans for not getting more done. And by the the 2016 came around, my personal life was more secure, therefore more of the same was a great idea, right? So I supported Hillary. Never again. Burn the loving DNC to the ground. I want a socialist, and I want him to force his agenda on America, Stalin style. Letting Trump win is disgusting. Democratic hubris will destroy years of progress, and hurt millions. gently caress weak willed centrists. Never again.
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Nov 10, 2016 04:06
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Venom Snake posted:Yeah, but like I'm more interested in how we fix the failures than just screaming into the void yknow? We can argue about the actual person clinton herself but I think the biggest gently caress ups lay with her high level campaign operatives tbh Did you ever meet people like Mook or Podesta? What was the impression you got from them? Because I am beyond furious with them now. I think this is at their feet in a lot of ways.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Venom Snake and every other liberal idiot are those villagers from The Dying Earth who perceive everything through the idealized lens of the Overworld, when in reality they're wallowing in their own filth while putting on aristocratic airs.
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Not a Step posted:So, the weird and uncomfortable thing is that the next elections are going to rely even more heavily on the white vote, because if you thought voter suppression was bad this cycle you aint seen nothing yet. The Republicans own the Executive, Legislative and State governments, and are one bad weekend away from establishing a 6:3 majority in the Supreme Court. Black people in battleground states are going to need four forms of ID submitted in triplicate via fax only six weeks prior to even approach a polling station twenty miles away with a second biometric scanner that samples their rectal lining before they can vote. forgot about this. bernie branch might be the only hope.
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Mrit posted:Back in 2006, I was angry. Angry at the Republicans, angry at the weakness of the Dems. I was hard left, and wanted to destroy the current government. seeing you post this makes me happy, tbh.
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KiteAuraan posted:which is really easy: free retraining (college or tech school, your choice) for those who want/can retrain, GMI for the rest so they can live out their lives in comfort. paid for by taxing the very people who made them poor. just lol she couldn't bring herself to even float that. gmi is a fantastic idea that probably won't happen until the united states fragments into country-states
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Mrit posted:Back in 2006, I was angry. Angry at the Republicans, angry at the weakness of the Dems. I was hard left, and wanted to destroy the current government. glad you're on board 
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Mrit posted:Back in 2006, I was angry. Angry at the Republicans, angry at the weakness of the Dems. I was hard left, and wanted to destroy the current government. lmao i hope this is real mrit
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Nov 10, 2016 04:09
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hillary hired her campaign staff. like, bernie hired jeff weaver and that was a mistake lol.
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Condiv posted:hmm i wonder why hillary lost This was one of her big problems. Even if she actually cared about the platform, she would never actually answer a question lest she get sound bit. I'm like, dude, you need sound bites at this point, so they can say something about you other than e-mails and leaks. We made fun of trump for "i'm gonna build a wall" but at least it told us something about him. Hillary deliberately chose not to allow herself to get sound bites.
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Yinlock posted:i mean besides anime was right's fantastic post all i'm seeing about what she could have done better is "immediately concede to bernie sanders who would have won because[insert fanfiction]" she could have learned anything at all from his success aside from adopting watered-down healthcare and college proposals and never ever talking about them
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Nov 10, 2016 04:10
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Like I totally think it's largely unfair that people don't like Hillary. It's so much bullshit and double standards but lots of people are going to suffer now because we pretended that voters will show up for someone they hate as long as they hate the other guy too.
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Nov 10, 2016 04:12
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Mrit posted:Back in 2006, I was angry. Angry at the Republicans, angry at the weakness of the Dems. I was hard left, and wanted to destroy the current government. This is the Come to Lenin moment I crave.
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Nov 10, 2016 04:13
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Mrit posted:Back in 2006, I was angry. Angry at the Republicans, angry at the weakness of the Dems. I was hard left, and wanted to destroy the current government. Get Berned. Well, likely not Berned, hes old and probably doesnt have a 2020 run in him But hopefully we'll get someone else who isn't an establishment candidate to run. Zikan posted:DryGoods posted: Idiots seem to regard race as a zero sum game. If you reach out to whites you're coddling their racism which means now you hate minorities. Because reasons. We can care about more than one thing at a time you dumb fucks. Reach out to hurt whites *and* reach out to hurt minorities at the same time. And anyone who says you can't do both is a shithead who should be fired into the goddamn sun.
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Hillary went to a mudslinging fight with a spoon but Trump showed up with a dump truck.
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Mrit posted:Back in 2006, I was angry. Angry at the Republicans, angry at the weakness of the Dems. I was hard left, and wanted to destroy the current government. woah accelerationism does work
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Peel posted:realtalk: do not let the people who want to go in on racism win. you won't be able to out-racist the party of trump and you're telling your actual core (the expanding part of your coalition) to stay home as they have no place in america. plus you know, reinforcing white supremacy. its gonna be a loving fine line, because i really really strongly believe militant economic populism is vital for the dems messaging going forward, and i think bernie set a good example of how to do that in a non racist way, albeit w/views on race that were very mainstream and not as leftwing as i'd like (of course, views on race that i would like dont win elections, so again, i dont have an answer)
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Karl Barks posted:lmao i hope this is real mrit I'm loving pissed and feel like a giant idiot for being duped these last 8 years. I stayed home from work today because I was so incredibly angry. And I have decided the people who deserve this anger are the weak overconfident morons who let it happen and let things get bad enough for the poor that people would vote overwhelmingly for Goddamn Trump.
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Mrit posted:I'm loving pissed and feel like a giant idiot for being duped these last 8 years. I gotta say, you and Hamprince have been surprisingly sensible about all this. Rats off to ya.
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I think it was a bad idea to pivot at the last minute to a message of a continuation of the last 8 years. I'm sure it was motivated by Obama's approval rating and trying to get out the minority vote, but it's a passive stance, and the electorate wants someone who's going to do something.
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