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Atrios posted:Primary Colors http://www.eschatonblog.com/2016/11/primary-colors.html
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Nov 11, 2016 01:59
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quote:Nayak blamed the Comey letters for depressing turnout among Clinton supporters in large cities like Philadelphia, Milwaukee and Detroit after initial record early voting numbers. But I thought we don't have early voting in PA?
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Nov 11, 2016 18:48
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CheesyDog posted:Regarding the media: about ten years ago I started to feel like the Daily Show/various liberal satire shows were doing more harm than good. I think the problem is that people end up stewing in hate rather than righteous anger if they aren't laughing. See the right wing media. See certain corners of the online left as well.
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Nov 11, 2016 21:37
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What isn't an echo chamber anymore?
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Nov 11, 2016 21:39
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Venom Snake posted:Chuck loving Schumer is on board with Ellison dude. The Clintons are loving done. So are the Obama's to probably. The Obamas are not done if they don't want to be. It's just staying involved for them is going to be the elder statesman party leader role and not, "We should be in the White House for eight more years!"
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Nov 11, 2016 23:34
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CAPT. Rainbowbeard posted:It's very easy to attribute things to racism, isn't it? I bet those people won't double down on their positions at all. But there is only one other cable package available and it didn't contain the channels you wanted either. So your option was Cinemax or no TV at all. And half the population cut the cord. Next time nominate Netflix.
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Nov 12, 2016 02:47
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Larry Parrish posted:The average citizen does not care about foreign wars except that they seem to consume resources many feel would be better spent domestically. I think people saw the bloodlust after 9/11 that led to Iraq and assumed that was the default mode. A lot of people honestly thought that was all just responding to an attack on America, it's not the same thing as being in favor of interventions in general.
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Nov 12, 2016 07:24
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pathetic little tramp posted:you don't pay dues to be a member of the democratic party and yes it does not make sense to allow people from other parties vote in your party's primary, why would you ever allow that Well, can you imagine a future where a party might nominate someone party loyalists love but independents hate, costing them the general? That would be a huge mistake. Better to nominate someone independents are also willing to get behind, which is why a fairly run primary that gives them a voice is a strength.
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Nov 12, 2016 18:40
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Captain Internet posted:Can you imagine a future where a party nominate someone from a party they is a total Cruz poo poo show and members of another party vote for that guys to gently caress up the chances of a more charismatic guy? Superdelegates to the rescue!
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Nov 12, 2016 18:45
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Justin Tyme posted:It's also time liberals struck "white" out from their common lexicon of insults. "Such a white thing to do" or "white people problems" If I could collectively tell the left anything, it would be that institutional power might be necessary to make someone a racist, but anybody can be an rear end in a top hat.
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Nov 13, 2016 02:50
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or "white people haha am I right?", this isn't a white supremacy/white pride thing, people need to stop conflating ALL behaviors with race. The coastal elite have been making GBS threads on midwestern whites for ages now and you wonder why disadvantaged working class whites tune out democratic messaging? I'm not as good at communicating as others when it comes to politics but seriously it's bullshit to poo poo on "rednecks" or "hicks" or "white trash" and in the same sentence get pissy when lower class urban blacks are called "ghetto". It's all a form of classism. The DNC expected the Rust Belt to turn out for Hillary like good little Democrats then when they went to Trump in droves people get mad at them for all being racist/sexist hicks.
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anime was right posted:http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/obama-clinton-democrats-231301 Is the democratic leadership con artists? Cause it kind of seems like the only reliable skill they have is to convince people to trust them with money. The idea of wanting to hear more from Hillary Clinton feels like the idea of sending your third large payment to a Nigerian prince. FuriousxGeorge has issued a correction as of 08:36 on Nov 14, 2016 |
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Nov 14, 2016 08:17
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quote:“After they drove the car into the ditch, made it as difficult as possible for us to pull it back, now they want the keys back,” Obama said of the GOP. “No! You can’t drive. We don’t want to have to go back into the ditch. We just got the car out.” http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/05/14/obama-mocks-gop-you-drove_n_576170.html
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Nov 14, 2016 08:34
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Swan Oat posted:https://twitter.com/jakebackpack/status/797817209187864576 No one expects the SA software just to make something easy for you.
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Nov 14, 2016 09:22
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Jhanez posted:No, I read the rest of what you wrote, which is the exact sort of thing that people have been saying about the Democrats for the past 10 years, as they've continued to defy expectations in the number of ways and the speed with which they choose to roll over. They appear to be so committed to procedural comity that they are definitely willing to pre-forego the filibuster because then, certainly, the republicans will see how right-thinking they are and stop all of this nonsense. Why would they? Why would you even bring up the idea of not using the filibuster after the last 8 years? Say the rest of it, we'll work with them if they come to us, and hold your goddamn cards to your chest instead of laying out your pair of 4s. I think they are doing this so the Republicans don't nuclear option day one. I think if the GOP is smart they should just go ahead and do it anyway.
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Nov 14, 2016 18:59
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Peel posted:sanders himself knows this and worked on his minority vote problems during the primary, but it wasn't feasible to turn something like that around in time Slimy poo poo like trying to say he lied about attending civil rights protests didn't help.
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Nov 14, 2016 19:50
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anime was right posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfxk5aeCNXo It's going to turn out he's a robot built to serve Trump, that's why there was no birth certificate. We should have seen this coming.
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Nov 14, 2016 22:15
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Atrocious Joe posted:What Dems go further than Bernie helping out PoC though? He was iffy starting off the presidential campaign but by the end the campaign seems to have internalized a lot of the criticism into their platform. He was really poo poo in actually contacting black voters in particular, but I don't know what mainstream Dem policy planks he rejected. He was never like, hated by black voters during the primary or anything. Hillary just ran a better campaign with them. She's not totally incompetent.
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Nov 15, 2016 03:48
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Atrocious Joe posted:Bill Mitchel and YourVoice Radio apparently I really wish someone had seriously asked me this during the campaign. I did not appreciate being totally loving shocked by these results. I look back at my comments in various places as the election went on and realize I seem to have known everything that was wrong with Clinton, I just assumed from the polls that everybody else didn't know or was looking the other way because Trump sucks so much. Oops. It really feels like a bunch of voters just decided to play a prank on Hillary and the media.
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Nov 15, 2016 05:35
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Biden failed in multiple primary runs before. I think he may have just not wanted to go through that again, especially when he was probably just fine with Hillary carrying on the Obama legacy.
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Nov 15, 2016 20:12
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Public position: Needs more study. Private position: quote:URSULA BURNS: So long means thumbs up, short means thumbs down; or long means I support, short means I don’t. I’m going to start with — I’m going to give you about ten long-shorts. http://www.marijuana.com/blog/news/2016/10/clinton-gave-thumbs-down-to-legal-marijuana-leak-shows/ Also looks like Wikileaks may have been compromised ever since Assange went dark in October. Someone may have not liked their election being messed with. e: or it's just a mistake from wikileaks. FuriousxGeorge has issued a correction as of 21:02 on Nov 15, 2016 |
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Nov 15, 2016 20:49
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BAE OF PIGS posted:Goon political podcast sounds worse than Giuliani on MTP. Unless they got Giuliani to come on. That I would listen to. Hopefully something like: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xz_gy7-bOoo
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Nov 28, 2016 04:21
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Pelosi is basicly the politician Hillary fans pretend Hillary is. A liberal champion who can also do pragmatic realpolitik dealmaking when it's in the best interests of the people or the party. If she fell flat on her face with failure and flawed decision making as many times as Clinton has she would be regarded the same way, but she, you know, doesn't. People always try to paint anti-Clintonism as anti-pragmatism...but what the gently caress was actually pragmatic about Hillary Clinton?
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Dec 7, 2016 08:40
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Not a Step posted:Not in the least, except for our ability to pay the interest on it. American debt is regarded as one of the safest stores of value on the planet and treasury bills are frequently held as secondary cash by private and public entities. American debt is in high demand because we always, always, ALWAYS pay the interest on it and no one ever expects us to default, meaning American debt is accepted as value without having to go through the process of redeeming it to the Treasury for cash. Like Bear Sterns or Enron, we are too big to fail...so we shall never fail.
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Dec 8, 2016 09:39
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Notorious R.I.M. posted:It actually blows my mind that one can be in such a huff about Trump's *-isms while not being able to see that Clinton was just stirring the identity pot to her own ends. Both are very toxic and they feed off of each other. I blame the BernieBros.
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Dec 8, 2016 19:35
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100 degrees Calcium posted:Really? Lies on the internet is what Hillary returns to speak out against? Not the rise of fascism and white supremacy in the United States? Not the plight of the working class and/or minorities? Internet lies!?! She's still really upset about how Jonathan Capehart smeared Bernie.
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Dec 9, 2016 01:15
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Yeah I ran into this same issue in a discussion last week. It's an ongoing debate not just a primary issue. To a lot of Democrats there is no needed criminal justice reform beyond: Tell cops to be less racist. Body cameras. End private prisons.
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Dec 10, 2016 01:06
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Concerned Citizen posted:sanders' position was end federal prohibition, which is not very far from status quo since the federal government rarely enforces pot laws. it would have had a positive effect but he wasn't in favor of using the power of the federal government to compel states to stop criminalizing pot. Nobody wants to compel the states to legalize, not even groups like NORML. I have no idea why that strawman always comes up..
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Dec 10, 2016 01:09
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Concerned Citizen posted:b/c norml has a lot of libertarians who would object to that. as a progressive i feel no loyalty to State's Rights So you would argue the feds should shut down the Colorado pot shops because state's rights to determine their own pot laws shouldn't be allowed? The medical marijuana clinics too of course.
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Dec 10, 2016 01:25
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Concerned Citizen posted:no, i would say that i do not care if the federal government selectively enforces laws so long as it is in service of progressive ends. rejecting the principle of state's rights doesn't mean that i want the federal troops occupying denver Kind of sounds like you have nothing coherent to say about this at all and just stretched for a stupid way to slam Bernie.
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Dec 10, 2016 01:30
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Tight Booty Shorts posted:I would argue first we have to end private prisons. There's too much money involved, especially when Corrcetions Corporation of America is donating fat checks to Democratic politicians. Private prisons are bad but fixing them would solve basically none of the major problems with the criminal justice system. Mass incarceration predates them and would outlive them.
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Dec 10, 2016 01:31
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Concerned Citizen posted:i wasn't slamming bernie, but rather criticizing the party and pointing out that even if its left wing is not very strong on criminal justice reforms. honestly i have no idea how you can be a progressive and say "oh my god how could anyone possibly want the federal government to stop the state of louisiana from throwing thousands of young black men into barely habitable private prisons in a swamp, state's rights!!" Because that's how our government works, states actually do have some rights. Not even a progressive Supreme Court would let you do this. We still have dry counties in this country.
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Dec 10, 2016 01:35
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Tight Booty Shorts posted:
I think the first step is you have to stop criminalizing victimless crimes so people stop seeing the police as someone who is after them and instead see them as people who are after people who victimize them and their neighbors. Then, you have to reduce sentences drastically across the board and focus more on rehabilitation. Yes, even for violent criminals. This second part, of course, is not going to happen in our lifetimes because people are (for understandable reasons) scared shittless of violent crime. Fear, as pretty much always in politics, is the biggest obstacle. Meanwhile, we nominate this lady instead: quote:URSULA BURNS: So long means thumbs up, short means thumbs down; or long means I support, short means I don't. I'm going to start with — I'm going to give you about ten long-shorts.
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Dec 10, 2016 01:46
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Phi230 posted:obviously but industry growth = more exploitation of workers Why is anyone taking this guy seriously?
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Dec 10, 2016 02:01
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Mirthless posted:ironically I think most of the traditional republican field may have lost to hillary in a general IIRC, the polling during the primaries showed Trump was one of their weaker candidates against her in a general, for whatever that's worth.
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Dec 10, 2016 19:42
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Yeah, Jeb! was basicly the only Republican I think she would have beaten because Hillary v. Jeb! takes the anti-establishment and anti-dynasty feelings out of the picture. Instead, all that feeling got directed at Hillary.
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Dec 10, 2016 19:56
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Tight Booty Shorts posted:The only people who are recovering economically are the 1%.  To put it another way, average American:  Rich people: 
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Dec 10, 2016 22:32
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John McCain is a maverick.
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Dec 10, 2016 23:42
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If we're going to do a celebrity, we might as well make Jon Stewart do it. Seriously, we will have to hold his family hostage or something to make him, but he will win.
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Dec 10, 2016 23:57
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Condiv posted:how is it that the thirdway dems, who supposedly care about racial justice way more than the left, still want to keep weed and other soft drugs illegal? don't they care about the massive amounts of PoC thrown in jail because of these substances? or the people who have their possessions stolen by police in the name of the war on drugs? No.
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Dec 11, 2016 00:00
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