Raskolnikov38 posted:

is there a way i can somehow email this clip to hillary

Jenner posted:

I am deep into my own farts here but I truly believe Obama was genuine about Hope and Change and really did not only want to help these people but was looking for ideas for how to do so and had plans of his own.

I believe the reason Obama actually failed to deliver on his promise to the working class is because, even though he had both the House and the Senate at the start of it, he did not have a filibuster proof majority and the Republicans refused to come to the table, legislate and compromise and instead dedicated themselves to obstruction and blocking loving everything. Which they openly gloated about and were promptly rewarded for in 2010 when the electorate didn't care that they were a bunch of petulant children and gave them more of the House and quite a bit of the Senate too.

And he really did try to reach out to them. He proposed poo poo they actually wanted like criminal justice reform and immigration reform but they did not go for it. You could see and hear his frustration at how powerless he was and how goddamn insufferable the Republicans were being.

Sure, maybe Obama was just as much of an owned corporate stooge as everyone else and was just stringing the desperate middle class along like everyone else. But I truly believe he was legit.

Guys, I love Obama so much okay?

Jenner posted:

From what I have heard, and again I am in a well of farts, he told them to back off and cut it out but the House and Congress were like, "get hosed!" Obama has stopped pipelines before, I don't see why he would balk at this one.

Sheng-ji Yang posted:

has anyone posted Bernie's op ed in here yet, cus its pretty good

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/12/opinion/bernie-sanders-where-the-democrats-go-from-here.html

zen death robot posted:

I've seen it a lot from certain posters but for gods sake if you live on the coasts stop looking down your noses on those of us that live in the Midwest. Yeah sure living in California would be great but the cost of living difference makes moving there prohibitive and I don't really want to be that far from my family even if they infuriate me from time to time

snakeandbake posted:

While we're reminiscing about terrible shillary posters I'd just like to make sure nobody forgets about Despera, lol.

Oh and Fulchrum. Angry, stupid Fulchrum.

Homeless Friend posted:

Despera is a legit libertarian tho, or close to it, if I remember right so that's not too surprising. Fulchrum is pretty lol tho.

enraged_camel posted:

Well, they used to be friends, or at least friendly. Bill and Hillary attended Donald and Melanie's wedding back in 2004 or something like that.

Baloogan posted:

Baloogan posted:

Thoguh posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H51HuNX41Fg

This is probably example 1,000,000,000,000 of the self indulgent outreach that people who already really like Hillary are the gently caress up but pushed away everyone else.

docbeard posted:

Well, I mean, if it's gonna work out as 'Democrats win or the world burns' anyway, why fight it?

docbeard posted:

The Democrats didn't actually make the Republicans be super-evil, they just failed to provide a better argument than 'hey, the Republicans are super-evil, vote for us instead for, uh, some reason'.

You can hate Hillary Clinton and think she ran a lovely campaign (I don't, and do, respectively) without accusing her of making it always winter and never Christmas in Narnia.

Serf posted:

Well I've still had no luck getting the Georgia Democrats to email me back. I think I'm just gonna go down the line and email everybody until I get someone to respond. Failing that I have no idea what to do.

OAquinas posted:

Important minor detail: they used firehoses in sub-freezing weather.

SirPhoebos posted:

Cook County update: Haven't heard anything since giving them my email. I guess "we don't want no one no one sent" is still in effect.

Organizing something independently seems more and more sensible.

anime was right posted:

"It is not good enough for somebody to say, 'I'm a woman...'. That is not good enough," the Vermont senator said over the weekend according to Boston’s WBUR.

Bill Buckner posted:

Bernie's still bad, and Trump is an acceptable outcome if it means dodging that bullet.

Fiction posted:

He's just gonna stay alive to groom and bless a successor.

platzapS posted:

Alright so I went to that Orlando Democratic meeting



UNCHARITABLE NOTES

-I was immediately greeted by a smiling young man who invited me to a Young Democrats event later this month. Other than him and a few others, the crowd of about 150 people skewed very old or middle-aged. At 26 I was probably in the youngest 10% of the crowd.

-It seemed roughly gender-equal. It seemed racially diverse, but not quite as black as the wider Orange County population. As a white person I may be overestimating diversity here.

-Other than the Young Democrats dude, nobody introduced themselves to me. I sat in a chair next to a friend I had invited and the meeting began.

-The meeting was run by three people sitting like British judges in the front of the room, facing the audience (the rest of us). The leaders were two women, and one man who did most of the talking. The meeting consisted of announcements and speakers called from a predetermined list.

Out of Touch
-Given the election results, the atmosphere was perversely optimistic. To be fair, Orange County Democrats outperformed Dems nationwide and even flipped a Congressional seat (FL-07, soon to be occupied by Stephanie Murphy). With one brief exception I'll mention later, there was no self-criticism or reflection, only the desperate insistence that Orange County Dems had done their part, dammit, regardless of what the rest of the party did. "We did our job" the leader said, "You did your job."

-“We all chipped in when Hillary Clinton had a debt.”

-"The election for 2018 has already started." Rick Scott was mentioned with disgust as a possible opponent to Sen. Bill Nelson.

-The Treasurer proudly noted "We have a few outstanding bills, mostly for the Christmas party.

"When Democrats vote, Democrats win" was quoted as if it were somehow insightful.

-"Are there any changes or objections to the minutes?" was asked, but I did not know what minutes are or what was written in them.

Internal Elections
-The main focus of the meeting was a series of short speeches by candidates for internal office, ranging from coldly strategic to folksy to boring. Two piqued my interest: one woman cited her involvment in Occupy Wall Steet, and one man pointed to the back of the room (a union hall) where Norman Rockwell's "Freedom of Speech" was hanging. It features a white working-class man speaking at a public meeting. The candidate noted that Donald Trump got a lot of such folks and said we need to win them back.

-Only precinct committeemen and committeewomen can run for or cast votes in this election. The only exception is local Democratic elected officials, like a miniature superdelegate system.

-Committeepersons can vote by proxy "if you do not want to attend", implying there are no committeepersons who cannot attend the Saturday morning election.

I have heard Socialists talk about a "member-oriented party", which I thought was as redundant as "patient-centered medicine" or "student-centered learning", but I think I understand now.

-One candidate wanted a permanent Hispanic subcommittee as well as a labor subcommittee. The fact that such a labor group does not exist was disappointing. There are currently common-interest women's, black, Hispanic, and disability caucuses but no labor caucus. I suspect there is a hidden capital caucus.

Overall it was dull, self-congratulatory, and opaque to me as an outsider.

Lemming posted:

I had a similar experience edit:in CA. It's very difficult to understand what's going on on the back end, and I don't think that's entirely by accident. They don't seem super interested in getting new people involved.

anime was right posted:

https://twitter.com/youngsinick/status/801225359400337408

punk rebel ecks posted:

What does the DNC Chair do exactly?

ScrubLeague posted:

Equal pay for women.

The primary thesis of Bernard Brothers is they don't care what other socioeconomic and/or ethnic groups get as long as they get that free healthcare and college.

quote:

6. Fighting for pay equity by signing the Paycheck Fairness Act into law. It is an outrage that women earn just 78 cents for every dollar a man earns.

ScrubLeague posted:

Truth in Advertising


I was attempting to show how these viewpoints about (((Low Information Voters))) among that group were widespread.

Venom Snake posted:

You can in fact give people something to vote for while decrying your opponent. If you have a huge image problem with appearing consistent or honest then maybe being frank about your opponents would be a step in the right direction instead of "this is only slightly not okay". One of Hill's biggest problems during the campaign is she kept chasing Republican votes instead of democratic votes.

Guy Goodbody posted:

Hillary also could've appeared honest by not supporting the Iraq War before being opposed to it, not championing TPP before being tepidly opposed to it, and not suddenly supporting gay marriage the exact second it became more politically harmful for her to oppose it than to support it.

I gotta be honest, dude, I don't think there's any good way for Clinton to appear honest.

SHY NUDIST GRRL posted:

To be fair she was the first person against citizens united

SHY NUDIST GRRL posted:

Yeah knowing about the inner workings of her campaign I think she would only go against it if she thought gop still had advantage with mega donors.

But another silver lining is that yes now we know that sort of money isn't required

anime was right posted:

also like whatever millions she spent on like the 20 people running her campaign and the 20 consulting firms she probably used

Schnorkles posted:

theres this too

it'll get sorted out in the next year or two and i'll read about it in a journal when someone is willing to have a conclusion

Oh Snapple! posted:

http://observer.com/2016/11/confessions-of-a-millennial-hillary-supporter/


lol

bump_fn posted:

I don't want a witch hunt I want a dem party that wins elections

zegermans posted:

Also she stood in between the presidency and some dude that renamed like 3 post offices or something.

Baloogan posted:

Jim Webb. Jim Webb would be president-elect. Jim Webb.