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she was unlikeable because republicans had a 20+ year smear campaign against her
the smear campaign was predicated on complete bullshit that they could never support with facts but that does not matter. just in my house two people who are lifelong d voters did not vote clinton because she was 'corrupt'. for rust belters who already felt that the democrats had failed them, hearing this poo poo about her for that long absolutely had to have been a major driving force for them just staying home.
Like I totally think it's largely unfair that people don't like Hillary. It's so much bullshit and double standards but lots of people are going to suffer now because we pretended that voters will show up for someone they hate as long as they hate the other guy too.
Sigh this is not whey people don't like Hillary. They don't like her because she's bought, but also because her 'persona' was loving bullshit. People laugh at Abuelas, and 3 emoji's and symbolic glass ceiling display's, but that crap loving reals of inauthentic bullshit and make people not like her. Its not just her btw, remember O'Malley? That guy would have gotten so much support just 10 years ago, I mean he was pretty much Edwards 2.0, but turns out people are sick of calculated hand gestures and man let me take off my jacket and roll up my sleeves. People by and large are so sick of it all.
Now I'm not saying this was the biggest factor over actual politics, because it wasn't, but if you want to know why people 'don't like her' this is it.
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it's laughable how this never occurred to anyone lol
mining coal is loving terrible. you think those people liked that poo poo? it was all they had
You'll never leave Harlan alive.
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even i think corbyn is a little nuts.
Corbyn is a cool dude who buys his shirts from the co-op.
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obama is one of the top 100 coolest people on the planet. obama won in part because he is einstein levels of cool.
He really is. You know I didn't actually dislike him until he 'both sides' Dapl. I was like yeah he's weak and corporate and I probably should have been looking for better people to support, but didn't loath him until then.
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Speaking of Robby Mook. One tip I'd have for future campaigns is to not have your staff go on cable news to lie their asses off while ginning like loving loons.
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anyway does anyone know when the DNC chair is chosen? brazile is only the interim chair. bernie is too old to run in 2020 but he could literally run the dnc
Its not the worst idea, Our Revolution is trying to be a sort of progressive wing DNC already.
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It was down by a lot in the Midwestern states that made the difference. And that turnout was most notably missing among key elements of the Obama coalition.
Even more granular, Detroit and Milwaukee.
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Anecdotally all of the people I know who hated Bernie for being a socialist ended up voting Trump anyway, so who fuckin knows how bad that would have actually hit him.
The socialist poo poo is the spookiest sort of amnesia. Obama (a neolib btw) got called a socialist on a running loop for years. What extra group of people was going to give a poo poo about it?
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It's not like they came out for Clinton either, and Bernie would have being a far more acceptable choice than Trump for a desperate white working class
Plus you know another 20% of youths showing up and what have you.
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This would be intolerable to a lot of armchair identity politicians who view any outreach to The Oppressor as a distraction from their out-group concerns. I do wonder how easy it would be to drive a wedge between the DNC and PoC voters if the DNC started overtly courting the white working class again. I don't see any groundwork laid to actually build any kind of coalition. Meanwhile, there are plenty of people (e.g. probably anyone who pedantically explains how all white people are racist by dint of existing in a white supremacist society) who would happily work in parallel with the GOP in the name of social justice and I'm curious how much power they actually have.
Fun fact, not only whites who are working class and lost factory jobs.
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Not enough.
And the problem isn't just at the federal level.
We'll see how the Democratic party establishment reacts in the coming weeks and months, but I don't hold out much hope for them actually learning their lesson.
Are you saying its not healthy to have a father and son hold the same office for 50 years, like in my district.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missouri%27s_1st_congressional_district
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Try talking to and listening to poor rural whites. Sorry in advance that a few of them will spew racist poo poo nonstop, but you'll find that many of them are cut from the same cloth as their great grandparents in Oklahoma and West Virginia that literally ate US Army bullets for socialist ideals at the turn of the last century. It also turns out many of their concerns are very valid and are shared by poorer black and Hispanic voters. As I said before you don't have to win over a majority of them - just winning 15% more will keep you from having your face wipe the loving floor in WI, MI, and PA.
Fun fact my whole family is poor rural whites. In fact my mother was am Okie when she was a kid and never went to the same school two years in a row because they moved between California and Missouri constantly, my sister married a marine and lives in a town of less then 1000 people, my nephew spent a year in prison for meth addiction, and my niece had a child when she was 17 years old. Nobody in family voted for Trump, but you know what they didn't vote for Clinton either. They aren't racists, and they aren't sexists(loving lol if you tried to say that to my mother), but what they all are (including myself) is poor. and I know for a fact all us would have gladly voted again for Bernie Sanders. Moral of the story is that there still in this country a strain of that Woodie Guthrie type socialism in this country, but somebody needs to come and try and get their vote, and maybe just maybe not condescend to them that all they are is racist hicks and nothing else.
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3rd parties do not work, take over the dnc from the inside while they're weak
That's why the Federalists are as strong today as they ever were.
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Its also not just white elites who demonize the poor we've got the whole country to do this. I went to a 2/3rds black high school and do you know what the two main insults black people would level at each other? It was that you were either 'ghetto' or 'country'. Class isn't just a white thing its a human thing and maybe it should be something that we pay attention to.
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I like to give people the benefit of the doubt and generally think everyone is acting in their own best interests and sometimes those interests conflict or aren't mutually shared interests, but on this one Im gonna disagree and say a lot of those middle American voters knew exactly what they were doing and voted Trump out of pure spite and bile for the coastal elites who abandoned their towns to rot, rather than any misplaced hope that Trump can really turn back time.
Id really rather be wrong about this but my heart tells me sometimes people just wanna give the world the middle finger when they feel everything is hopeless and out of control.
E: And if youre confused why they would turn to a billionaire New Yorker to spite coastal elites, remember the news coverage. Hollywood hated Trump. Politicians of all stripes hated Trump. The media hated Trump. Pretty much everyone who wasnt from flyover country hated Trump. He was a rich rear end in a top hat who everyone they were angry with hated. He was perfect as a vehicle of pure gently caress you.
Plus say what you will about Trump he wasn't stage managed and somehow has a working class accent.
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gently caress you vaccines are the devil 9/11 never happened wifi gave me brain tumour
Literally the same thing as the red neck bashing, man its real hard to learn isn't it.
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She acted like a reptile in a skinsuit, approximating human speech patterns. The only time she seemed genuine was during the debates.
She seemed genuine when she condescended to Ashley Williams.
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I dunno Obama managed to do it twice. Or at least with enough people to win.
I really wish Obama would teach someone else in this loving party how to actually campaign and connect with people.
Somebody did know
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The DNC seems to have turned into a mini kleptocracy since 2006 when they had majorities. The same old boring people (Clintons etc) that have been career politicians forever took over and they maintain an inner circle to keep their jobs.
They don't outreach to try and expand Dem presence to local and state governments and since they are old boring people, their numbers keep dwindling.
Like Ohio, they ran Strickland, boring old establishment guy like Clinton. And he got stomped because he blows. The Democrats need to get the youth vote but also get the youth JOBS and ROLES in their local parties.
Evan loving Bayh
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Even now, in the darkest hour, those dorks are making Red Wedding references.
Not only them
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43vRHeUQajs
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third parties do not work in first past the post electoral systems
Maine will show us the way!
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Have you heard a little city on the liberal coast called Los Angeles?
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MAN THIS NARRATIVE THAT WE'RE ALL RACISTS IS UNFAIR GUYS NOW LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT HOW THE JEWS AND MEXICANS ARE MUSLIM RAPISTS
Have you ever left a city in your life?
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man I don't know why you're spinning this narrative that Trump is a racist don't you know anything about ((((ECONOMIC ANXIETY))))
Its not about Trump its about gently caress you. Now that does include some drat hateful people, but you need to understand that it isn't all of them and telling people how much they loving suck isn't going to fix it.
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This isn't about fixing it, it's about punishing people who punish me for not being as healthy as them, lol
Nobody should get a free pass for voting for Trump, sorry!
So you going to go kill them then?
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So you going to go kill them then?
I'm serious btw, either you got to change the culture of hate by offering something better, or your eventually going to have to go war. I mean literal bang bang bullets war.
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I didn't say their issues were invalid or that they didn't need help
I didn't even take umbrage with the take that they voted for Trump for a reason
My objection was to a poster saying that it's an incorrect assertion to say that people who voted for Trump have low opinions of minorities and women; This is not an incorrect assertion, it is a statement of fact. If you voted for someone whose stated position is to round up 14 million people into internment camps, punish abortionesses with prison terms, and roll back our most basic race protections, you do not care about women, black people, or the gays.
It is possible to acknowledge somebody did something for a good reason without downplaying the weight of the terrible thing they did.
How do you change a culture of hate if it's verboten to call hate what it is when you see it?
By showing them that its not the minorities loving them over, which is possible to do because you know its true!
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Cool, yes, this is a thing we should do, but it does not turn back time and change the fact that Donald Trump is a racist and white supremacist who ran on a genocide platform and got elected
Well, and I could be mistaken, but I assume the point of this thread is making sure something like that doesn't happen again.
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Regardless of Hillary bad or DNC bad it would be amazing if D's had the kind of loving discipline the Rs do in showing up to vote.
I mean they literally ran an overt racist possibly insane person and got almost exactly the same numbers as the last two cycles.
This might be as simple has having the vast majority of your base in cities.
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It's pretty incredible that they get people to turn out year after year. It helps that they actually have a media apparatus. "Center-left" media like MSNBC are way more interested in appearing impartial to stave off that "liberal media" criticism than they are in actually spinning a narrative.
MSNBC isn't left all though. I mean some of the anchors want to be, but the bosses clearly aren't.
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That looks like a person who should totally be shaping the party after losing 2 bids on the presidency. Sure, why not dems, why not!
If there is even a sniff of this then the rebuild Dems is loving hopeless and people better find another party.
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Its a good start. Bernies pick.
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I don't know what the long-term answer is, but I'm amazed at how aggressively some of the left-wing public icons/heroes are trying to shame the very people who didn't vote for them in the first place, like that's going to be helpful in any way.
fer example, both Sam B and the Daily Show had segments last night where they literally screamed into the camera, directly shouting at "white women" for being gender traitors and not voting whatever way they should have voted. "HOW DARE YOU NOT VOTE FOR HRC DON'T YOU KNOW SHE HAS A VAGINA AND TRUMP WANTS TO GRAB VAGINAS? YOU'RE TOO DUMB TO MAKE YOUR OWN CHOICES GOING FORWARD THANKS A LOT WHITE WOMEN!!!!!"
I get the whole frothing with rage thing because your candidate lost, and I get that people who are significantly disadvantaged already are likely to become screwed even more severely, but you've got to leverage that hate into something productive. screaming at a group of people who didn't vote for you about how dumb they are for not voting for you isn't going to endear them to you the next go-around.
I feel like there should be a ton more effort to figure out why those people who were expected to lock the election for HRC either didn't vote for her, or didn't show up at all, and not in a snarky way like:
"why didn't you vote for the only candidate that was ordained to be the sole champion of your gender?"
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"oh what was that, I couldn't hear your answer over all the stupid that was coming out of your mouth!" *mugs for camera with 'can you believe this moron?' jon stewart face*
Sam B has no credibility.
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lol Sam B will be why the dems are gonna keep losing
"white males are the enemy"
welp why are we losing by alienating the most reliable voter demographic?
Well to her family Black males may be the enemy too.
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I'm gonna listen to this meanwhile here's an email I got.
Elizabeth Warren posted:
Kyle,
This wasn’t a pretty election. In fact, it was ugly, and we should not sugarcoat the reason why. Donald Trump ran a campaign that started with racial attacks and then rode the escalator down. He encouraged a toxic stew of hatred and fear. He attacked millions of Americans. And he regularly made statements that undermined core values of our democracy.
And he won. He won – and now Latino and Muslim-American children are worried about what will happen to their families. LGBT couples are worried that their marriages could be dissolved by a Trump-Pence Supreme Court. Women are worried that their access to desperately needed health services will disappear. Millions of people in this country are worried, deeply worried. And they are right to be worried.
Today, as President-Elect, Donald Trump has an opportunity to chart a different course: to govern for all Americans and to respect our institutions. In his victory speech, he pledged that he would be “President for all” of the American people. And when he takes the oath of office as the leader of our democracy and the leader of all Americans, I sincerely hope that he will fulfill that pledge with respect and concern for every single human being in this country, no matter who they are, no matter where they come from, no matter what they believe, no matter whom they love.
And that marks Democrats’ first job in this new era: We will stand up to bigotry. There is no compromise here. In all its forms, we will fight back against attacks on Latinos, African Americans, women, Muslims, immigrants, disabled Americans – on anyone. Whether Donald Trump sits in a glass tower or sits in the White House, we will not give an inch on this, not now, not ever.
But there are many millions of people who did not vote for Donald Trump because of the bigotry and hate that fueled his campaign rallies. They voted for him despite the hate. They voted for him out of frustration and anger – and also out of hope that he would bring change.
If we have learned nothing else from the past two years of electioneering, we should hear the message loud and clear that the American people want Washington to change. It was clear in the Democratic Primaries. It was clear in the Republican Primaries. It was clear in the campaign and it was clear on Election Day. The final results may have divided us – but the entire electorate embraced deep, fundamental reform of our economic system and our political system.
Working families across this country are deeply frustrated about an economy and a government that doesn’t work for them. Exit polling on Tuesday found that 72 percent of voters believe that "the American economy is rigged to advantage the rich and powerful." 72 percent of ALL voters – Democrats and Republicans. The polls were also made clear that the economy was the top issue on voters’ minds. Americans are angry about a federal government that works for the rich and powerful and that leaves everyone else in the dirt.
Lobbyists and Washington insiders have spent years trying to convince themselves and each other that Americans don’t actually believe this. Now that the returns are in and the people have spoken, they’re already trying to wave their hands and dismiss these views as some sort of mass delusion. They are wrong – very wrong.
The truth is that people are right to be angry. Angry that wages have been stagnant for a generation, while basic costs like housing, health care, and child care have skyrocketed. Angry that our political system is awash in barely legalized campaign bribery. Angry that Washington eagerly protects tax breaks for billionaires while it refuses to raise the minimum wage, or help the millions of Americans struggling with student loans, or enforce the law when the millionaire CEOs who fund our political campaigns break it. Angry that Washington pushes big corporate interests in trade deals, but won’t make the investments in infrastructure to create good jobs right here in America. Angry that Washington tilts the playing field for giant corporations – giving them special privileges, letting them amass enormous economic and political power.
Angry that while Washington dithers and spins and does the backstroke in an ocean of money, while the American Dream moves further and further out of reach for too many families. Angry that working people are in debt. Angry that seniors can’t stretch a Social Security check to cover the basics.
President-Elect Trump spoke to these issues. Republican elites hated him for it. But he didn’t care. He criticized Wall Street and big money’s dominance in Washington – straight up. He supported a new Glass-Steagall. He spoke of the need to reform our trade deals so they aren’t raw deals for the American people. He said he will not cut Social Security benefits. He talked about the need to address the rising cost of college and about helping working parents struggling with the high cost of child care. He spoke of the urgency of rebuilding our crumbling infrastructure and putting people back to work. He spoke to the very real sense of millions of Americans that their government and their economy has abandoned them. And he promised to rebuild our economy for working people.
The deep worry that people feel over an America that does not work for them is not liberal or conservative worry. It is not Democratic or Republican worry. It is the deep worry that led even Americans with very deep reservations about Donald Trump’s temperament and fitness to vote for him anyway.
So let me be 100% clear about this. When President-Elect Trump wants to take on these issues, when his goal is to increase the economic security of middle class families, then count me in. I will put aside our differences and I will work with him to accomplish that goal. I offer to work as hard as I can and to pull as many people as I can into this effort. If Trump is ready to go on rebuilding economic security for millions of Americans, so am I and so are a lot of other people—Democrats and Republicans.
But let’s also be clear about what rebuilding our economy does not mean.
It does not mean handing the keys to our economy over to Wall Street so they can run it for themselves. Americans want to hold the big banks accountable. That will not happen if we gut Dodd-Frank and fire the cops responsible for watching over those banks, like the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau. If Trump and the Republican Party try to turn loose the big banks and financial institutions so they can once again gamble with our economy and bring it all crashing down, then we will fight them every step of the way.
It does not mean crippling our economy and ripping working families apart by rounding up and deporting millions of our coworkers, our friends and neighbors, our mothers and fathers, our sons and daughters. And if Republicans choose that path, we will fight them every single step of the way.
Americans want reform to Obamacare – Democrats included. We must bring down the costs of health insurance and the cost of health care. But if the Republicans want to strip away health insurance from 20 million Americans, if they want to let cancer survivors get kicked to the curb, if they want to throw 24-year-olds off their parents’ health insurance, then we will fight them every step of the way.
Americans want to close tax loopholes that benefit the very rich, and Donald Trump claimed to support closing the carried interest loophole and other loopholes. We need a fairer tax system, but if Republicans want to force through massive tax breaks that blow a hole in our deficit and tilt the playing field even further toward the wealthy and big corporations, then we will fight them every step of the way.
The American people – Democrats, Republicans, and Independents – have been clear about what economic policies they want Washington to pursue. Two-thirds of people support raising the federal minimum wage. Three-quarters of Americans want the federal government to increase its infrastructure investments. Over 70 percent of people believe students should have a chance at a debt-free education. Nearly three-quarters support expanding Social Security. These are the kinds of policies that will help level the playing field for working families and address the frustrations felt by millions of people across the country.
The American people sent one more message as well. Economic reform requires political reform. Why has the federal government worked so long only for those at the top? The answer is money – and they want this system changed. The American people are sick of politicians wallowing in the campaign contributions and dark money. They are revolted by influence peddling by wealthy people and giant corporations. When Bernie Sanders proved his independence by running a campaign based on small dollar contributions and when Donald Trump promised to spend his own money, both were sending an important message that they could not be bought. And once again, if Donald Trump is ready to make good on his promise to get corruption out of politics, to end dark money and pay-to-play, count me in. I will work as hard as I can and to pull as many people as I can to end the influence of big money and return democracy to the people.
Donald Trump won the Presidency under a Republican flag. But Mitch McConnell, Paul Ryan and the Republicans in Congress – and their way of doing business – were rejected – rejected by their own primary voters, rejected during the campaign, and rejected in Tuesday’s election. Regardless of political party, working families are disgusted by a Washington that works for the rich and powerful and leaves everyone else behind.
The American people have called out loudly for economic and political reform. For years, too many Republicans and too many Democrats have refused to hear their demands.
The majority of Americans voted against Donald Trump. Democrats picked up seats in both the House and the Senate. And yet, here we are. Republicans are in control of both houses of Congress and the White House. And that makes our job clear. As the loyal opposition we will fight harder, we will fight longer and we will fight more passionately than ever for the rights of every human being in this country to be treated with respect and dignity. We will fight for economic opportunity, not just for some of our children, but for all of our children. We do not control the tools of government, but make no mistake, we know what we stand for, the sun will keep rising, and we will keep fighting – each day, every day, we will fight for the people of this country.
The time for ignoring the American people is over. It’s time for us to come together to work on America’s agenda. Democracy demands that we do so, and we are ready.
Thank you for being a part of this,
Elizabeth
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people also forget that bernie put a shitload of work into SC and got largely rebuked - there was no reason whatsoever to spend those resources again all throughout the south when it was clear it was just going to be a repeat.
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remember when hill shills got mad as gently caress about the bernie folks booing him and cuomo during the DNC lol
Need bigger signs here stat!!!
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Time to join a revolution son, its going to be yooge!
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I don't quite understand the anger at people like Bernie and Warren that some are expressing because they've said they'll work with Trump on populist issues. He's president whether they like it or not and there is real crossover in what he talked about in his campaign and what they want to do. If they can get part of their agenda passed with a republican led house and senate who cares if Trump is the guy signing it in to law?
No dummy you don't fix things, you keep them around as wedge issues, jeez man.
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