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It's so loving unbelievable to me that despite general feelings the economy isn't healthy for low and middle class families, the DNC really expected all of the Hope and Change crowd to just show up and vote again without any additional plans or at least promises Also, being a Hispanic myself, it makes me loving sick that the Democrats consistently expect me to vote for them simply because the Republicans said a few racist things. Patronizing me is more repulsive than hating me, at least in my book. Anyway I voted for la Riva because I put my vote where my mouth is
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Nov 10, 2016 04:49
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Furthermore, it's antithetical to the ideals of the American republic, let alone as the founding fathers intended it. It's literally un-American
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Nov 10, 2016 05:49
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At the end of the day, Clinton didn't reach out to anyone but DNC attendees and New Yorkers, while Trump was all over the place, which is why he has support from all kinds of groups he's supposedly going to deport
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Nov 10, 2016 05:50
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Venom Snake posted:I wish Neoliberals aren't leftists dude. They're merely the Blue-painted version of neoconversatives, with some disgusting levels of patronizing thrown in if you happen to not be white
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Nov 10, 2016 05:59
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Bro Dad posted:the 2020 democratic primary will probably be between Tim Kaine and Gavin Newsom You're way of thinking is the reason the Dems lost the election dude
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Nov 10, 2016 06:03
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Pomp posted:how are we actually supposed to appeal to working class whites? Do you not know what its like to work or something. Are your parents paying for college. Sanders basically said 'i know things suck, we all know that, bush and obama both couldn't fix it, so lets try somethig new' and he got a bunch of support. Trump had the exact same campaign platform at the end of the day and clutched this election. Are you really saying that its impossible to reach the lower class.
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Nov 10, 2016 06:10
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Venom Snake posted:I'm not talking about neoliberals when I say the varied shades of leftists need to get something going together Well, they do, but you said 'we'. Not sure how you reconcile being a leftists with literally working on the campaign of a neoliberal warhawk, but hey. At the end of the day, we all bleed red.
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Venom Snake posted:I'm here to help. If your decision is to call me a neoliberal warhawk and Martyrs come from somewhere, comrade (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Nov 10, 2016 06:42
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Nov 10, 2016 06:44
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Abandon the festering corpse of neoliberalism and support the PSL folks
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Nov 11, 2016 02:58
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Why take over the Democratic Party when you can shatter the two party system.
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Nov 11, 2016 03:22
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The CCC being restarted alone would be loving huge. And like the original CCC, you could pay them with two nickels to rub together as long as the housing and food and certifications from training are free too
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Nov 11, 2016 06:34
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Princess Di posted:I see where you are coming from and I really want to agree with you. How loving typical that a white middle class Democrat sees a few edge cases of vocal racism and applies that behavior as being indicative of a large swathe of largely unrelated people.
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Nov 11, 2016 06:38
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That kind of attitude where you are willing to paint a shitload of people with the same brush due to isolated individuals is why people claim the Democratic Party is also bigoted, btw. Forming preconceptions of people on their status in a group or minority or whatever instead of them as an individual is literally what it means to be racist.
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Nov 11, 2016 06:41
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Identity politics is a neoliberal plot to distract and discredit progressives and stop people from uniting under common ground of economic distress and instead have them focus on fighting with each other over retarded poo poo like primary languages or melanin content
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Nov 11, 2016 06:50
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Also, despite being a Hispanic living in an area where typically, Mexicans are seen as outsiders seeking to destabilize the agricultural work, I'm not actually afraid of my fellow man because I'm not a retarded racist liberal who has been led to believe by Twitter that fearing others is natural
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Nov 11, 2016 06:52
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Speaking of CCCs that need refunding, the California Conservation Corp has been consistently attacked by Democrats in the state legislature for no other reason than the Republicans who have it operate in their constituencies support it. The 'champion party for minorities' constantly tries to defund a program that helps California minorities get job training and experience while serving the environment.
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Nov 11, 2016 06:58
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Princess Di posted:Would you live in a town where you have every reason to believe the people there won't allow you to find work due to the narratives your people have shared with you. You will have trouble finding a mate or even being safe in your home or even in a church. Again these narratives are from your own people and their lived experiences. I've lived my whole life in a town like that you stupid sheltered gently caress. And I understand that 95% of the people who hate me for being a Mexican-American are just afraid of losing what little they have left. If they realized that the elite are the source of economic hardship and not their neighbors, racism in America would be revealed as the dying, almost extinct practice is truly is.
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Nov 11, 2016 07:08
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Anti-nuclear energy and insane new age health stuff is why I'm not a Green ever though they are a far more popular party in CA than the straight up socialists. These retards are actually worse for the environment than people who don't care
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Nov 11, 2016 07:20
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Fulchrum posted:So how long did it take for you guys to replace "we need to do something, we need to come together, we need to fight this monster any way we can" with "gently caress YOU dad! I refuse to ever be associated with the only possible party with the infrastructure that could possibly oppose Trump!". Should we just tell LGBT voters and minorities to give up all hope, there will be no calvary because the silver in the armor wasn't pure enough? Which minority was begging for white people to save the day for them again
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Nov 11, 2016 07:20
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Maybe I'm alone in this but I don't think coastal middle class democrats understand the struggle, except maybe gays since that's a minority that tends to cross class lines.
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Nov 11, 2016 07:23
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Not everyone wants to live in an urban area dude. And on top of that, the area you live in is a HUGE impact on your family's culture and beliefs. Also as someone who moved from the sticks to the big city, things are actually worse here so uhhh why are we focusing on rurals and not the actual whole working class.
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Nov 11, 2016 07:27
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Maybe I have some kind of truly unique experience here but my area Is massively poor and the logging industry is slowing dying and all the good farm land got bought by rich people during the real estate crash who then planted vineyards and exclusively staff it with either actual illegal immigrants at $2 an hour or their friends and family's kids, basically removing a ton of agricultural jobs from the community forever since these jackasses can and do run the vineyards at a loss forever simply so they can say they own a vineyard. So basically, what are the establishment Democrats offering me that helps me or my town?
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Nov 11, 2016 07:33
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Neoliberalism is not the banner.
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Nov 11, 2016 08:43
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VirtualStranger posted:You should all watch this, especially the first 40 minutes. Richard Wolff is great. Richard wolf explained it better than I can. The Democratic Party must be abandoned because capitalism has failed the base and the Democratic Party is a tool of the capitalist elite
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Nov 11, 2016 09:34
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also holy poo poo I'm so tried of the white guys in this thread acting like racism is inherent to whites or something. Racism is not simply a product of upbringing or a small area dominated by a single culture. Racism is mostly a product of having what little you have left drain away and needing a target to lash out at. "Real" racism based purely on skin color or whatever exists too, but again it's not a white only thing. Like for example there's the Latino remnants of the colonial system where anyone who looks native or black is basically treated like an uneducated serf. If economic problems were solved, the largest problems of racism outside corrupt police departments would be solved too.
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Nov 11, 2016 09:40
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Anyway sorry for angrily telling white guys to shut up about racism like 8 times tonight but it gets so loving old when the guys who are supposedly champions for your people act like your a statistic that unconditionally supports them I believe the American system is good and isn't necessarily a tool to prop up capitalism. This makes me kind of an outlier among other socialists though. But my dream is basically to have the good federal republic we have while also having basic income and other things. Maybe we could argue that basic income affects the national economy and therefor supersedes the states.
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Nov 11, 2016 10:10
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Don't watch the network news, my dude, because the experts at MSNBC can't believe your people failed Hillary like that. What kind of moron watches network news and actually listens in 2016.
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Nov 11, 2016 10:36
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It might be easier to abandon the Democratic Party and start again than it is to completely reorganize the rules in a more fair and democratic manner
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Nov 11, 2016 11:24
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It's honestly loving insane to me that the Democrats still think they lost an election purely to sexism and not class struggle. If anything it just shows you how amazingly sheltered the ruling elite are.
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Nov 11, 2016 23:59
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A GIANT PARSNIP posted:Here's an area where we can help people who have been loving savaged by the capitalist class and support current Liberal policies at the same time. Win or loss this election, why the gently caress wouldn't we want to do that? Because the Democratic Party is the party of the bourgeoise and the ruling elite; both groups demand someone to feel superior too and if the working class bad pride they would not be able to feel superior.
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Nov 12, 2016 02:16
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I hope the retards in Sacramento get what they want because the Democratic party's national failure is basically a microcosm of California. You have LA and SF big-money backed guys deciding everything while literally everyone else in the state feels like they have no voice. There would be open loving rebellion lol.
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Nov 12, 2016 02:34
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Neoliberal is a code word for neoconservative
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Nov 12, 2016 05:46
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A Winner is Jew posted:so i just had a terrifying thought You're a loving idiot
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Nov 12, 2016 05:47
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Solyndra doesn't even register in my mind as a low level scandal. It was just a bad investment that got propped up by foolish spending plans
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Nov 12, 2016 06:04
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If anything it's an argument that neoliberals don't deserve to be anywhere the governments money
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Nov 12, 2016 06:05
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Basically I think we just shouldn't intervene unless we're willing to actually invest and support the nation who's infrastructure and government we destroy for the next 40-50 years until they have a sense of democratic tradition and belief in the system. So basically that means we shouldn't intervene
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Nov 12, 2016 06:11
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The average citizen does not care about foreign wars except that they seem to consume resources many feel would be better spent domestically. Source: I am a working class man living in rural hell and this is what everyone says
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