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Nonsense posted:Hillary-Cersei gifs Even now, in the darkest hour, those dorks are making Red Wedding references.
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Venom Snake posted:If we don't rebuild me and my family are 100% hosed so this is my life now. I hope you and your politically connected insider family get real jobs.
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NecroMonster posted:people are allowed to deal with loss in the way they see fit https://twitter.com/NotFaulty/status/796099214140903424 
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Nov 10, 2016 09:23
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Nov 10, 2016 09:27
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mrmcd posted:It's past 3 and I really need to try and get some sleep instead of this weird mix of hangover and terror induced insomnia. The funny thing is this may have all been avoided if Democrats hadn't thrown him under the bus for sexting the first time.
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Nov 10, 2016 09:29
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Nonsense posted:How serious are these protests? I'm trying to find the one around here. They are aimless demonstrations of people power with no particular objective in mind. So they're not exactly serious, but necessary to remind people that they need to remain politically engaged and that they have numbers.
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Nov 10, 2016 09:33
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mrmcd posted:Not sure how that would've worked since apparently he's a stupid idiot who is physically incapable of not sending pictures of his dick to randos on the Internet. He might've not used Huma's campaign laptop. 
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Nov 10, 2016 09:34
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rum sodomy Rainbow Dash posted:It'd probably be better if the energy was aimed at the DNC to get its poo poo together. Trump knows these people don't like him, and he doesn't give a poo poo because he has our government locked up anyways. During mass demonstrations at the gate, Nixon was terrified that the drat hippies could pour over the WH lawn and lynch them all at any moment. Trump was shook at Chicago. It might not accomplish anything today, but keeping Nixon in fear of the mob had some positive outcomes.
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Nov 10, 2016 09:39
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Fidel Castronaut posted:It's really tragic to think about Huma. She was really going places and doing things and then her husband was a sex addict and her boss was the biggest loving loser ever. I assume Hillary is still Huma's boss, which is the greatest indignity: she's going to tend to an irrelevant rich woman until her heart gives out. If he was a sex addict it would've been more Huma-nizing.
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Nov 10, 2016 09:41
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rum sodomy Rainbow Dash posted:I guess I'm thinking of OWS, which more or less petered out, and the general atmosphere today that seems hostile of any kind of protest that isn't astroturfed. OWS was brutally repressed by massive coordinated police action across the country, but it failed in terms of being a new form of politics. If protesters today reject the idea of seizing power for themselves, then it will be a lot of ultimately wasted effort, but right now people need a carnivale.
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Nov 10, 2016 09:46
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Bro Dad posted:yep. and people like loving charlie crist will be shilling hard asking all the gabbard supporters to abandon their childish idealism and unite behind Their Candidate Are we at the Farce after Tragedy stage of this or are we already past it?
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Nov 10, 2016 09:54
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rum sodomy Rainbow Dash posted:If that happens they'll probably lose 2020 even harder. I don't think millenials and others are going to forget this election so easily. I've already seen angry tweets about people holding their nose to vote for Clinton only to let Trump win. You're not going to convince them to vote for tepid neoliberalism a second time. Liberals are dumb as Hell, though. They could be working as we speak to make sure there's no more leftwing insurgency in the primaries again. If I was one of those power coveting creeps, it's exactly what I'd do.
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Nov 10, 2016 09:56
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mrmcd posted:I thought they did a pretty good job of pointing out how awful Trump is, and not cowering in fear like all his primary opponents. There just wasn't a message for Clinton. A problem all of his primary opponents also had.
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Nov 10, 2016 09:58
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Zas posted:as dumb and wrong as accelerationism is, i do think the w. administration helped make both liberals and the left sharper. we should do that again, but this time moreso It actually made Liberals a lot dumber, because it elevated wonkery to the halls of power and eventually we ended up here. We have to be way smarter and more organized than the left opposition of the Bush years.
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Nov 10, 2016 10:05
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NecroMonster posted:i'm not sure another Obama would do anything for the centrist dem establishment. He massively expanded the power of the surveillance state, and expanded the prosecution of the Global War on Terror. Now Trump gets to inherit it all and bring back torture to boot. It's worse than a death knell, it's a desiccated corpse paraded down mainstreet in a dance macabre, lest anybody forgets that his legacy is actually poo poo. And Trump is its puppeteer. Zas posted:wel, maybe. i haven't really thought about it in detail. also i was yung and stupid at the time. That was basically the problem. Also me too.
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Nov 10, 2016 10:08
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Nocturtle posted:Thank you for reminding me of the failure that was OWS. The largest financial disaster in modern history caused by a reckless elite and Clinton-Bush era deregulation was a great opportunity to build a movement dedicated towards addressing economic inequality. It was completely wasted, and I can't think of a single concrete accomplishments that came from the occupations. What laws were passed? Who got primaried? Maybe it contributed to Obama's 2008 landslide victory (didn't help much in 2010). OWS was crippled in the crib, because it was organized by anarchists who wanted to experiment with non-hierarchical forms of political organizing and collective action. Of course it failed, but at least it radicalized a ton of people when they saw the cops burn their Peoples' Libraries and mace them out of public.
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Nov 10, 2016 19:29
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Womyn Capote posted:Evil will always win, because good is dumb Liberalism isn't good.
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Nov 10, 2016 19:58
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Freaking Crumbum posted:i guess the most frustrating thing that this election proved is that you aren't going to get meaningful social reform that will have any real longevity if you don't get the buy-in of white men. Incrementalism was always absolutely loving retarded, and anybody who claims it's realistic should never be taken seriously ever again.
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Nov 10, 2016 20:03
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Mirthless posted:I was always more on the socialist side than the neolib side, I was just too committed to the party to not support Hillary when she was clearly going to be the candidate. I've been a rabid Democrat for as long as I've been in politics. I'm not doing that poo poo anymore. All the "mistakes" Bernie made were only considered mistakes because of the idiotic Neoliberal consensus, which couldn't countenance an insurgent politics after they had replaced oxygen with their own farts. It's clear now why liberals were always harping on about why platforms and policies don't matter, because they never loving cared about it themselves. They treated politics like a loving game, but it's always blood & guts. Now hundreds of thousands of people are going to die needlessly because of that institutional hubris and ideological failure.
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Nov 10, 2016 20:30
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Stoking my Schadenfreude is all I can do to avoid coming to terms with the reality of the mind bending pain and suffering that's coming to society.
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Nov 10, 2016 20:32
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Mirthless posted:Look, it's a mistake to not campaign in multiple states when you know you need them to win, whether you're Bernie Sanders or Hillary Clinton. I'm not saying he should have run the social progressivism campaign Hillary did but it should be pretty obvious he should have done things differently if he wanted to win the primary. He didn't campaign in a lot of those states because the Clinton machine had a stranglehold on their electoral politics, which is what the polling made clear.
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Nov 10, 2016 20:41
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Mister Fister posted:If only Bernie was a power hungry sociopath with the foresight to campaign in places like South Carolina several decades ago.
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Nov 10, 2016 20:45
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Mirthless posted:It was terrible optics and cost him minority votes in other states, though. He was never going to win the south but pulling out - and doing so openly - made it pretty easy for his opponents to paint him as not caring about minority voters. It was a dumb criticism, but it worked. Talking about "optics" is exactly the loving problem. Jesus Tapdancing Goddamn Christ.
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Nov 10, 2016 20:46
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LmaoTheKid posted:Its funny how the superdelegates were in the wrong party. Everybody who ever posted about how superdelegates are necessary to prevent the Left Wing Donald Trump from taking over the Democratic party should be rocketed up and into the loving sun. Mirthless posted:Dude, I don't really know what your objection to what I'm saying is, and this one is the most confusing It's difficult to see how "tweaking his message" would work in the face of an institutional wisdom which discredited any potential for his victory in the first place. Political views aren't actually shaped by cheap bromides, the problem was always fundamentally ideological.
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Nov 10, 2016 20:57
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Oh Snapple! posted:Say one thing about Hillary Clinton, say she connects with affluent white women in the twilight of their careers who need one last moment of validation. Any hope of validation for Clinton went flying out the window when she said we have to unify under Trump.
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Nov 10, 2016 21:10
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Mirthless posted:No leftist entertainer forged from the last eight years does. They're all soft and weak because they've forgotten, or never knew, what it was like under the Bush years. This is The Age of Chapo
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Nov 10, 2016 21:10
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Peztopiary posted:I voted for him, and tried to get him the nomination. This is a thread for how mainstream Democrats can fix things going forward. The answer is that they need populism. Actual populism is loud, shouty, and very thin on specifics. It is also angry at the right targets, because if it isn't it'll be angry at the wrong ones. The right targets are globalists. I do not mean jews or whatever, I mean people who consider themselves citizens of the world. We can be citizens of the world after we get our poo poo together. Until then, gently caress the world except when it benefits us. Fighting global warming benefits us, giving aid money benefits us, our diplomatic stances benefit us. The Dems need to get loud and angry about these things, not about the things that don't. Clinton should have been saying no DAPL, she should have been talking about mitigating the effects of climate change as a way to get people Over There to stay Over There, and she should have repudiated globalists and shouted America First. We can absolutely make those words mean whatever we want, the Republicans don't have a monopoly on propaganda. Peztopiary posted:I think we'll see a strong backlash against some of the Alt-Right stuff. Listening to the losing side after the election you hear people angry about racism/sexism/bigotry who didn't vote. Well gently caress, if you don't vote you don't matter. You can start by not saying people who don't vote don't matter.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:loving these so hard. We/they knew this day was coming, but they thought it would be 2020 or 2024 maybe even later. Unfortunately, they ignored the rurals/blue collars/whites and after smelling their own farts for a long enough time until they started activily making GBS threads on there groups, was some of it justified, yeah, but they pissed away the majority in the hopes goal that is a long ways away. It's more than that. Young black voters breaking for Bernie was the canary in the coal mine. Young people need more than just triangulated platitudes about how they have to manage their expectations for economic progress, they need a material politics that they can eat. The response from the typical libs was to talk about how much Barack Obama being President was great for the pride of black students, but they can't eat pride..
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guts and bolts posted:Democrats are supposedly represented by the demographics of America's future, but we're not even going to loving make it to that future if this poo poo keeps up, so yep, time to put on the big boy pants and figure out why the gently caress we didn't just appeal to people's empty-rear end bank accounts and depressed counties and the lovely job market for lower middle-class people and make a plan to improve that poo poo, time to figure out why people associate the Left with elitist jerk-offs so stuffed up their own asses they literally cannot fathom losing the general election because haha that other guy, right?, time to figure out that even if you totaled up every POC vote and LGBT vote in the loving country it can't defeat the 63% of the country's eligible voters you have apparently alienated with your messaging OOO! OOO! I KNOW! *raises hand* It's because liberalism is an individualistic ideology which is antithetical to mass politics, and its gatekeepers never cared about the immediate economic concerns of the people because they're already making 6-figure incomes.
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MJ12 posted:This doesn't explain why libertarian appeals to things like self-made-men and individual rights and freedoms and excoriation of the lazy are so popular, though. I'm not saying you're wrong. I think you might be onto something here. I just want to know how we can get these two disparate factual patterns together. Full disclosure: I used to be a right libertarian, and they're very clear about what they're actually for. It just doesn't manifest publicly because what they're for is against any form of government which doesn't guarantee the right to property. Right wing libertarianism is liberal ideology carried to its logical extreme.
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Fullhouse posted:Extreme American libertarianism is no different from anarchist capitalism at all Not to get too derailed here, but Anarcho-Capitalism is a self-defeating ideology because a truly stateless society makes private property impossible. That's why "mainstream" libertarians say they're minarchists.
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Zach rules https://www.facebook.com/madeinrussianfederation/videos/711103479043344/
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Sheng-ji Yang posted:https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/796831076886970368 Watching Obama pal around with Trump was absolutely disgusting. There's not enough rope in the world to hang all of these Centrist hacks.
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Nov 10, 2016 23:10
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Peel posted:You've mistakenly assumed I'm a neoliberal Clintonite, I'm an actual 'Sanders is just a social democrat' socialist and have advocated the democratic party move left economically to recover from this debacle from my first substantial post in this thread. I'm just sceptical of the degree to which the victory this will deliver will involve winning more than a marginal number of white voters back from Trump outright, rather than improving the collapsed Clinton turnout, and insistent that compromising on racial politics out of a belief it'll make you more palatable to whites as a few have advocated is a bad move. The bottom line is, there has to be a genuine campaign for socialist policies because they will benefit everyone. It can't be sold as a wonkish policy "product" to seize the now-coveted white working poor demographic.
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Raskolnikov38 posted:we already have an interim chair, keith ellison wants it and bernie is backing him. dean can eat a bag of dicks 
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