SUK ZONE: it's all a pointless exercise and you're just screaming into the void

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Zikan: Feb 29, 2004

Thoguh posted:

No, but he couldn't help to bring it up.

He can still gently caress off though. He was part of the group that did everything the possibly could to bury Bernie and hold up Hillary.

reid knows how to build a machine to turnout voters that isn't smoke and mirror's like robby mook's failure and owed his seat to organized labor. nevada is literally the only bright spot for organized labor in the country because the dems there did not poo poo on it. he can be utilized after pennance is done to push things like support for organized labor that isn't bullshit.

# ¿ Nov 11, 2016 17:17

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# ¿ May 12, 2024 15:15

Zikan: Feb 29, 2004

DaveWoo posted:

Hmm

https://twitter.com/gdebenedetti/status/797110730365485056

the war is loving on

the list of who to contact will be going up shortly

# ¿ Nov 11, 2016 17:39

Zikan: Feb 29, 2004

here's a draft for the message on getting involved with the DNC. it's aimed toward sharing on fb so less "full communism now" then i would have done. I�ll probably add more and edit it but the civil war is loving on and we need to start fighting

quote:

The DNC Chair Election: How you can get involved

In the wake of Donald Trump's victory the Democratic Party has been effectively shattered. Hillary Clinton and the machine she built were the presumed heir to leadership but with their disgrace the party is now effectively broken and leaderless.

This shouldn't fill you with despair, it should fill you with hope at the opportunity. Now more than ever is a chance to completely take over the organization from the establishment faction who valued the staid status quo over change, who ignored the economic pain of millions of Americans for technocratic elitism that failed catastrophically at this critical moment in history.

Senator Bernie Sanders has put forward Congressman Keith Ellison and prominent progressive leaders such as Elizabeth Warren have also endorsed him. He is the co-chair of the Congressional Progressive Caucus, which was founded by Senator Sanders in 1991 when he was in a congressman to advocate progressive issues within the democratic party. While many establishment democrats did not take Trump seriously, Congressman Ellison did: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHkPadFK34o

However, there is already opposition brewing to this. Former DNC Chair and current pharmaceutical lobbyist Howard Dean has thrown his name in the ring. Former Maryland Governor Martin O'Malley has done so as well. Both defended the establishment candidacy of Hillary Clinton during the primary and would not fulfill the radical change the Democratic Party needs to go through to win back the working class and defeat Donald Trump.

We cannot allow this. The establishment must be taken to task.

The bylaws of the DNC (http://s3.amazonaws.com/uploads.democrats.org/Downloads/DNC_Charter__Bylaws_9.17.15.pdf) state that

quote:
ARTICLE FIVE
National Chairperson
Section 1. The National Chairperson of the Democratic Party shall carry out the programs and
policies of the National Convention and the Democratic National Committee.
Section 2. The National Chairperson, the five Vice Chairpersons, the National Finance Chair, the Treasurer, and the Secretary, shall be elected:
(a) at a meeting of the Democratic National Committee held after the succeeding presidential election and prior to March 1 next, and,

(b) whenever a vacancy occurs.

The National Chairperson shall be elected and may be
removed by a majority vote of the Democratic National Committee, and each term shall expire upon the election for the following term.

It is not a vote of the party membership but a vote of the committee members, which range from state democratic party chairpersons to the members of various organizations. There are also 200 appointed committee member that are difficult to even find out who they are.

We must mobilize. We must make our voices heard. We must let the elites who have lead us astray know our anger.

I have spent the past few days collecting a list of the contact information of all the DNC committee members I could find. This list is incomplete and may have some wrong information. If it does let me know so I can correct it. But it is a start

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1S7w8tvS0NWA3AX8JdFjZLLAW7f_S4hp2T3416ttjBtg/edit?usp=sharing

E-mail your state chair. Call you state party headquarters. Write letters. Tell your friends. Organize.

Do not let them take this opportunity away from us again.

# ¿ Nov 11, 2016 18:27

Zikan: Feb 29, 2004

jackofarcades posted:

Read this entire thread and it's cool and good and I'm here to eat poo poo with the rest of the Clintonites.

I'll do what I need to make sure the progressives take control of the party.

At the same time we need to still be the party of anti-racism. I think a lot of black voters stayed home because they felt Clinton offered them nothing, either.

I don't know how well we can peel off white votes and be the party of BLM and immigration reform. I think Clinton was too scared to be either so she was neither.

I'm from the rural south. I'm poor. I know Trump voters. A lot of them are richer than me. They are racists. There's many of them that just don't know the struggle of other groups, though. That's what Dems need - someone who can show everyone who's hosed now that they're not enemies.

I don't know how well it will work, though. A lot of the current anti poverty proposals from dems are seen as socialism or handouts to minorities. Maybe we just need strong local candidates who aren't tied to a lovely national one, though.

More on Clinton. I don't think she could have appealed to WWC voters. She has such a credibility problem. Her best bet was turning out the black vote. She took it for granted. Thought Obama could deliver by his presence alone.

I don't know. I'm pissed. Point me in the right direction and I'll fight for socialism. Even with the de Boers and Fangs and Bruenigs of the world.

welcome friend

the fight has already begun

find details of the first battle here: http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3797403&pagenumber=70&perpage=40#post466362186

# ¿ Nov 11, 2016 18:52

Zikan: Feb 29, 2004

Mordiceius posted:

As a 29 year old white male living in the San Francisco Bay Area, what can I do to help the DNC socialist revolution?

report for duty

http://forums.somethingawful.com/sh...0#post466362186

# ¿ Nov 11, 2016 18:56

Zikan: Feb 29, 2004

bump_fn posted:

do you want people to start sharing this and (a) if so how and (b) how are people supposed to contact you with corrections/updates in the google doc, might want to add some words about that

a) gently caress it start sharing it now
b) on the forums pm me

Zikan has issued a correction as of 06:54 on Jan 16, 2017

# ¿ Nov 11, 2016 19:02

Zikan: Feb 29, 2004

Grondoth posted:

Why is it so fuckin' hard to find the person who votes for DNC stuff in NY?

because their website is an absolute clusterfuck if you want to find out about something other then chuck schumer

# ¿ Nov 11, 2016 19:18

Zikan: Feb 29, 2004

SirPhoebos posted:

That's a good idea! Let me see who my rep is-

never mind

do it anyway

make them scared make them afraid

his machine won't be any good if the country burns around him

# ¿ Nov 11, 2016 19:43

Zikan: Feb 29, 2004

Shinjobi posted:

Yeah, this. I'm far more focused on pushing Bernie up right now than complaining about what's already past.

the first battle is being fought,

join us and tell your friends

http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3797403&pagenumber=70&perpage=40#post466362186

# ¿ Nov 11, 2016 20:01

Zikan: Feb 29, 2004

two for the shoah posted:

i really hope this election puts a spotlight on how broken the DNC is, but my hope is dwindling at this point

I'll be contacting my representatives regardless

there is hope. the sander's faction can take control of the dnc but we need to act now.

http://www.glyphgryph.com/index.html

# ¿ Nov 11, 2016 20:27

Zikan: Feb 29, 2004

holy poo poo

# ¿ Nov 11, 2016 21:56

Zikan: Feb 29, 2004

maybe the sanders faction will win the civil war because the remaining establishment dems are the dumbest ones out of the whole rotten bunch

# ¿ Nov 11, 2016 22:02

Zikan: Feb 29, 2004

democratic civil war update

http://www.cwa-union.org/news/releases/cwa-endorses-keith-ellison-for-chair-of-democratic-national-committee

quote:

Congressman Keith Ellison is the right person to lead the Democratic Party at this time. The Communications Workers of America joins Senators Bernie Sanders and Chuck Schumer, and MoveOn.org in strongly urging Ellison to run for the Chairmanship of the Democratic Party. The Democratic Party needs his leadership and direction, and we will stand behind him should he choose to run.

Ellison supports the economic policies that are critical to addressing the needs of millions of Americans who have been left out and left behind by unfair trade deals and trickle-down austerity economics. This past week, millions of these Americans fell for the siren call of phony, right-wing populism. Rep. Ellison understands that in order to win these voters back, the Democratic Party must clearly embrace its historic core values of racial and economic justice.

Ellison has proven himself a strong advocate and champion of the values that we as Democrats value and hold dear. His commitment to grassroots organizing and building a strong progressive infrastructure in every community in this country is exactly the focus our Party needs. Keith Ellison will make sure that the voices of all working Americans in all communities are heard and able to play a leading role in shaping our Party and our country's future.

# ¿ Nov 11, 2016 23:01

Zikan: Feb 29, 2004

reminder that the cwa is one of the most militant unions in the country in that they actually loving hold strikes

# ¿ Nov 11, 2016 23:08

Zikan: Feb 29, 2004

Dapper_Swindler posted:

will there even be a civil war? the clintons were kinda the central pilar of the centrist/neoliberal left and they were loving destroyed. everyone either bends the knee to bernie/ellison or they will die to trump.

howard dean and martin omalley have thrown their hat into the ring. the election is in march probably which will give the establishment time to potentailly regroup from their shock and make a last stand

we cannot afford complatency

# ¿ Nov 11, 2016 23:15

Zikan: Feb 29, 2004

Venom Snake posted:

I'll be in college down in Florida helping there and coming back to VA when I can. Thankfully the VA GOP is still a loving train wreck and Kaine's people do know how to win elections here. FL is going to be a long bloody fight though.

as someone who worked on the obama campaign in 2008 on fl i wish you luck because the fl democrats are a dumpster fire but worst all a well funded dumpster fire

# ¿ Nov 11, 2016 23:35

Zikan: Feb 29, 2004

Vox Nihili posted:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/11/10/1595296/-California-Does-The-Right-Thing-in-the-Face-of-Trump

this is all well and good until they try to push gavin newsom on us in 2020

# ¿ Nov 11, 2016 23:46

Zikan: Feb 29, 2004

cargo cult posted:

Can someone do a quick rundown on why Cory Booker is awful? asking for a friend here. I've read various articles but cant put together a list in my head rn

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=co7GpMks8UA

# ¿ Nov 11, 2016 23:49

Zikan: Feb 29, 2004

Cinnamon Bear posted:

Boo Hoo, I can't wait for that milquetoast motherfucker to get the gently caress out.

I'm sure he'll get a job at one of corporations he spent the past 8 years jerking off.

post-presidency before the world got turned upside down, obama was making plans with eric holder to fight against gerrymandering and for voter access which will be important, especially in the age of voter suppression that the trump presidency will entail. that would be a good project to do where he can act as a leader without getting involved with the upcoming civil war

# ¿ Nov 11, 2016 23:52

Zikan: Feb 29, 2004

steinrokkan posted:

If Corbyn is any indication, you can look forward to a years long media massage explaining to you why why you are an idiot peasant infected with wrongthink for abandoning the winning Clinton strategy.

we all know that the media calling you an idiot 24/7 will obviously discredit any attempt at power just look at known loser Donald Trump

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# ¿ Nov 12, 2016 00:14

Zikan: Feb 29, 2004

the last thing this thread needs is more fishmech

# ¿ Nov 12, 2016 00:32

Zikan: Feb 29, 2004

i've been keeping an eye on the amount of people looking at the spread sheet i put together for aiding in a progressive takeover of the dnc and it's grown steadily since i've posted it

i'm really proud of you all not just giving up hope

if you haven't done it yet please check out http://www.glyphgryph.com/index.html so we can take over the dnc

it will be hard and long but it's something you can do

# ¿ Nov 12, 2016 00:51

Zikan: Feb 29, 2004

Sheng-ji Yang posted:

Hey Zikan, feel free to make a thread about it

i'm in talks with from what i can tell is the primary draft keith org for a more formal note then the crap i threw together lol i'll post one when we get it together

# ¿ Nov 12, 2016 00:59

Zikan: Feb 29, 2004

anime was right posted:

http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/senate/305663-sanders-eyeing-senate-leadership-bid

bernie staffer saying he's gunning for senate leadership position (not minority leader, fyi)

get in

bernie will be the Генеральный секретарь obviously

# ¿ Nov 12, 2016 01:13

Zikan: Feb 29, 2004

the working class does not give a gently caress about russia and never will unless we are in a shooting war with them

# ¿ Nov 12, 2016 01:21

Zikan: Feb 29, 2004

radical meme posted:

In the spirit of getting all of the problems on the table up front, here's something to consider:

That changing demographic that Democrats have been waiting on forever now; its relevance and very existence are completely at the mercy of the Census Bureau. The Census Bureau is a part of the Department of Commerce. Trump obviously gets to appoint the Secretary of Commerce. The current term of the Director of the Census Bureau expires in 2018; and Trump then gets to appoint the new Director. The GOP has been out to gut and completely reform the Census Bureau since way before 2010. I don't think there's any reason to pin any hopes on the 2020 Census as providing any relief in future redistriting or elections.

oh god we're gonna get a harper 2011 census lol

# ¿ Nov 12, 2016 01:37

Zikan: Feb 29, 2004

Zythrst posted:

So your predicting a conspiracy to falsify the counts?

more like something along the lines of what the canadian conservatives did with the census

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/murtaza-haider/harper-long-form-census_b_5614355.html

# ¿ Nov 12, 2016 01:39

Zikan: Feb 29, 2004

anime was right posted:

bernoman wrote thing

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/12/opinion/bernie-sanders-where-the-democrats-go-from-here.html

key point:

"In the coming days, I will also provide a series of reforms to reinvigorate the Democratic Party."

"HIllary sent us to a hell but we are going even deeper. Take back everything that we have lost."

# ¿ Nov 12, 2016 03:12

Zikan: Feb 29, 2004

everyone needs to remember that beyond the presidential we need to prepare for the state and local elections as well because...

https://twitter.com/KStreetHipster/status/797250896619077632

:smithicide:

# ¿ Nov 12, 2016 03:37

Zikan: Feb 29, 2004

cool Keith Ellison, the future DNC chair, fact

https://twitter.com/ckilpatrick/status/797072477453172736

# ¿ Nov 12, 2016 04:17

Zikan: Feb 29, 2004

too expensive and inefficient

just drop lots of bombs on them bing bang boom so simple!

# ¿ Nov 12, 2016 04:41

Zikan: Feb 29, 2004

SHY NUDIST GRRL posted:

That's bad right

it's bad

if you're a neoliberal :getin:

# ¿ Nov 12, 2016 04:54

Zikan: Feb 29, 2004

unwantedplatypus posted:

Hey, so I typed up a letter to pressure the DNC committee members to elect Ellison. Before I send it I'd like to run it through you guys first.

i don't know why progressive in second to last paragraph is capitalized.

also include one or two sentences on why you support keith in the final paragraph beyond "bernie sanders says to do it"

call her office during working hours if you can, they really pay attention to those

# ¿ Nov 12, 2016 05:21

Zikan: Feb 29, 2004

A Winner is Jew posted:

so i just had a terrifying thought

with the paris accords pretty much every country came together and said "climate change is real and we are all going to do something about" which was a legit good thing even if it was a half measure given that the entire world actually pledged to work towards reducing the effects

trump has been about anti-environment as he has been racist so kiss the US doing gently caress all about sticking to those accords and while if that gives other counties incentive to ignore them it's bad but not nearly ad bad as my next thought

my fear is that the world bands together against the US breaking them and trump reacts militarily since we have an absurd budget even before he kicks it into overdrive compared to the rest of the world

get off the internet and talk a walk

# ¿ Nov 12, 2016 05:47

Zikan: Feb 29, 2004

the fact people still think solyandra would have been relevant when it didn't kill obama in 2012 is hillarious

# ¿ Nov 12, 2016 06:06

Zikan: Feb 29, 2004

Cyron posted:

let hope he somehow is taken by somehow (same car accident, trump steak related death) and get the speacker of the house in there. which i assume would me ryan which is lawl.

President Paul "I Masturbate Furiously To The Thought of a Safety Net That Consists of a Post-it That Reads "FYGM"" Ryan

Zikan has issued a correction as of 06:15 on Nov 12, 2016

# ¿ Nov 12, 2016 06:13

Zikan: Feb 29, 2004

Fidel Castronaut posted:

Had a spat on FB with a professor who posted this article because I said it was condescending garbage. I am leaving academia at a perfect time to do so.

"I�m a Coastal Elite From the Midwest: The Real Bubble is Rural America"

"We, as a culture, have to stop infantilizing and deifying rural and white working-class Americans. Their experience is not more of a real American experience than anyone else�s, but when we say that it is, we give people a pass from seeing and understanding more of their country. More Americans need to see more of the United States. They need to shake hands with a Muslim, or talk soccer with a middle aged lesbian, or attend a lecture by a female business executive."

Lol "Here's what went wrong in 2016: not enough rubes going to see Sheryl Sandberg speak."

i'm sure they'll compensate them the costs of visiting their big city to enlighten them, since these voters can't afford to take a vacation to the next loving county over never mind the coastal cities

# ¿ Nov 12, 2016 06:26

Zikan: Feb 29, 2004

Nonsense posted:

Assad is a monster. I have no idea what Trump thinks of the Kurds.

"the who and the what now?"

# ¿ Nov 12, 2016 06:32

Zikan: Feb 29, 2004

i was curious on how flint michigan voted since it's kind of the prime example of rust belt deindustralization so i looked up the numbers

quote:

Michigan 2016
Trump 47.6% 2,279,210
Clinton 47.3% 2,267,373
Net Trump: 11837

B. Obama (i) Dem 63.6% 128,972
M. Romney GOP 35.4% 71,807
Net Obama: 57165

H. Clinton(i) Dem 63.6% 102.744
D. Trump GOP 35.4% 84,174
Net Clinton: 18570

2012-2016 Difference: 38595

i then realized i had never seen what it looks like now so i watched this video of a guy driving through his old neighborhood. it's unrecognizable from his childhood back in 2002.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKQSPJWK5w0

this whole thing is depressing

# ¿ Nov 12, 2016 07:10

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# ¿ May 12, 2024 15:15

Zikan: Feb 29, 2004

because lin-manuel miranda can write a decent verse but he's also the ur-city liberal

https://twitter.com/Lin_Manuel/status/796359221063323648

# ¿ Nov 12, 2016 08:06

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