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mastershakeman
Oct 28, 2008

by vyelkin
the bears are going to draft a loving qb from notre dame aren't they god damnit

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mastershakeman
Oct 28, 2008

by vyelkin
^^ did you watch last year's title game because o.j. howard lit it up

only one qb ? gently caress

mastershakeman
Oct 28, 2008

by vyelkin
Bears Kiper:
CB Aaron Williams, WR Michael Floyd, TE Tyler Eifert, DT Timmy Jernigan, S Landon Collins.

that's a lot loving better than what the bears drafted

mastershakeman
Oct 28, 2008

by vyelkin
Is Peppers mobile enough to play free safety, or would he be relegated to strong safety duty if the Bears took him and put him in as the 800th different SS to be drafted in the last decade?

mastershakeman
Oct 28, 2008

by vyelkin

corn on the cop posted:

mccaffrey to the patriots is so patriot way that it's absolutely going to happen

yeah its incredibly perfect and needs to happen at this point

mastershakeman
Oct 28, 2008

by vyelkin
the bears drafting peppers after firing fangio, and having some poo poo DC just put him at strong safety and call it a day seems like exactly what they'll do

mastershakeman
Oct 28, 2008

by vyelkin

quote:

SOURCES TELL US "The tape is just terrible over the last two years, but he has traits and leadership

i love that so much

mastershakeman
Oct 28, 2008

by vyelkin

CharlestheHammer posted:

The problem is in general they think they can fix them quickly and sitting a QB for any length of time is no longer a tenable position.

Especially on bad teams.

who's even sat as long as rodgers since that happened? I can't think of anyone. Even goff sitting half the season was unusual

mastershakeman
Oct 28, 2008

by vyelkin
i should've phrased that as 'on purpose' with sitting the heir apparent.

mastershakeman
Oct 28, 2008

by vyelkin
i'll shoot every single person in chicago if the bears draft fournette

mastershakeman
Oct 28, 2008

by vyelkin

big money big clit posted:

Would anyone even notice a difference?

no, i'll be as uncatchable as that german guy

mastershakeman
Oct 28, 2008

by vyelkin

Benne posted:

I know this is a down year for LTs but is there anyone worth taking in the mid-to-late 20s?

Asking for a friend.

if cam Robinson falls, sure

mastershakeman
Oct 28, 2008

by vyelkin

Raku posted:

Fournette wasn't second best that year either though

I dunno man. I just don't see it with Fournette. He's strong, but not that strong, and doesn't have the breakaway speed of some other upright running backs. It all depends on your team a lot in the NFL but I don't think he's the earth shattering prospect a lot of people seem to.

he's also looked like absolute poo poo when playing against guys that'll be in the pros

mastershakeman
Oct 28, 2008

by vyelkin

Grittybeard posted:

If your quality check for guys you want to draft is "looked good against Bama" then you end up drafting Johnny Manziel.

e: How do you like Chad Kelly by the way?

he's too focused on a washed up pornstar

also, Fournette sucked against Florida which is the other legit defense he played against. And Mike Evans looked good vs Bama and now looks good in the pros! So did Zeke! (and cardale woops)

mastershakeman
Oct 28, 2008

by vyelkin

Doltos posted:

As Fiz said it's more a comment on style. When you're amazing at it, like Adrian Peterson, you become an elite threat. It allows you to deliver better stiff arms, square up against tacklers, and just plain makes you a big, hard to tackle back. If you're bad at it, like Rashard Mendenhall or Mikel Leshoure, then you become an injury prone 3 yard rusher that gets stood up every time he takes contact.

don't you dare besmirch the fine University of Illinois rushers , they were great in the NFL and were only brought down the enemies of the Chief

mastershakeman
Oct 28, 2008

by vyelkin

Ches Neckbeard posted:

Remember this when he goes top 5 because the NFL is run by incompetents.

the top 4 QBs in pick sixes all time are all hall of famers therefore it's a good thing to do

mastershakeman
Oct 28, 2008

by vyelkin

Grittybeard posted:

Wonder how far a broken Chad Kelly will fall. I'm convinced someone would have talked themselves into him at some point in the first round if he was healthy.

he has the most important stat in college ball - wins over bama, that counts for a ton


I actually might go try to find who the last QB is to beat bama twice because it's been a while. tebow probably
edit: ha, it's Jordan Jefferson with ls
vvv Dang yea, OK

mastershakeman fucked around with this message at 20:09 on Dec 31, 2016

mastershakeman
Oct 28, 2008

by vyelkin
Is it me or does it seem like a consensus 1a/1b for Garret and Allen, and then no one else is deserving of top 5 and a bunch of mocks have random QBs getting taken super high?

mastershakeman
Oct 28, 2008

by vyelkin

R.D. Mangles posted:

the awesome thing about the Bears is that they are so bereft of talent at literally every position, every pick fills a need

e: also the bears don't need alshon they have kevin whiahahahahahahaha

the bears had two stud wrs, got rid of one and immediately drafted a bad replacement in the top ten. now they're going to get rid of the other plus their only good qb ever and be like whoa we need a wr or QB now!!!

mastershakeman
Oct 28, 2008

by vyelkin
So assuming Garret/Allen 1/2, should the Bears take Adams, LSU Safety at #3, or Watson? Trading down means both those players will be gone in the two picks prior to wherever they end up, no matter if they trade down to 5 or 20

mastershakeman
Oct 28, 2008

by vyelkin
A worse Hester should be a 3rd round or later pick

mastershakeman
Oct 28, 2008

by vyelkin
Why would anyone even want to trade up in this draft? Garrett is the 1a but has questions about him, Allen is unexciting but looks to be very good, and then a whole lot of 'eh he's ok I guess' where you'd hope to draft those players at #10 instead of #3-5.

mastershakeman
Oct 28, 2008

by vyelkin

gently caress. I wanted him at 3 for the bears. maybe they luck out and get him top of the 2nd round and Allen in the first

mastershakeman
Oct 28, 2008

by vyelkin
hah. the bears need :
offense : 3 wrs, QB, Lt, rt, te (set at lg, c, rg, RB)
defense: 2 safeties, couple linebackers and God knows what else. few down linemen?

mastershakeman
Oct 28, 2008

by vyelkin
I don't really get how any of these QBs can be rated higher than Watson. Sure, he might not be worth a top 10 pick, but what makes other one season wonders worth more than a guy who's shown he can do it all for this long a duration?

NFL evaluation drives me crazy

mastershakeman
Oct 28, 2008

by vyelkin

Doltos posted:

You realize the leading rusher in the NFL this year was taken 5th overall, right?

and the 2nd leading rusher , who didn't even start for 3 games, was in the 5th round. behind a way worse offensive line

mastershakeman
Oct 28, 2008

by vyelkin
Chicago's line being #1 in dvoa for run blocking is yet another reason dvoa is garbage
edit: ha when I went and looked them up, they even do the left end/tackle/middle etc rankings and the bears, whose best three linemen are the interior guys, had a drastically worse rating on the interior. sure.

mastershakeman fucked around with this message at 01:41 on Feb 5, 2017

mastershakeman
Oct 28, 2008

by vyelkin
I feel like there isn't a single guy who deserves to be top 5. This sucks to have the franchise's highest pick ever and no one to use it on. gently caress

mastershakeman
Oct 28, 2008

by vyelkin

SHOAH NUFF posted:

still better than being the Chiefs in 2013, worst year to have a #1 pick ever

yeah that would've sucked

if the bears draft Mike Williams I'm going to scream. letting Marshall go then drafting a failed replacement who , best case, was a younger marshall, only to do that again two years later? loving hell

I wish they picked around 12 and could just draft OJ howard and be happy w/ it

mastershakeman
Oct 28, 2008

by vyelkin

Ches Neckbeard posted:

I was wondering that the other day and the combine website says maybe twice. Even top performers aren't typically big names. My favorite name was Stephen Paea the current record holder for the bench press by a long shot was graded out as a future all pro and is a rotational lineman for the Browns now.

Wasn't JPP one?

mastershakeman
Oct 28, 2008

by vyelkin
I've said it a bunch but there's no one in this class traditionally worth a top 5 pick, so you have a bunch of guys that would be fantastic choices at #7 or #10 overall instead being bandied about for #2.

mastershakeman
Oct 28, 2008

by vyelkin
why in gods name are the bears looking at reuben foster, that's like the one spot they don't need help

mastershakeman
Oct 28, 2008

by vyelkin
just wait to get an avatar of whatever bust the bears pick at #3

mastershakeman
Oct 28, 2008

by vyelkin
there isn't a single guy projected to go top ten that I want on the bears besides Garrett.

meanwhile I'd be happy with a half dozen mid round guys like oj Howard. this sucks

mastershakeman
Oct 28, 2008

by vyelkin

Sataere posted:

You don't like Jamal Adams?

he was who I initially wanted but I'm concerned about how well he can cover. I'm sick of the bears having a million in the box safeties who let packers run past them for TDs over and over

basically- all the QBs suck. Solomon Thomas too small and loafs too much, Allen has injury issues + doesn't seem explosive, Adams is a run stuffer, Malik hooker has one year of tape + injured, none of the wrs or cbs are amazing , tackles are even worse , etc

again I'd be happy with any of these guys at the standard bears pick around #10 but since this is their highest in the Superbowl era I want a potential perennial all pro at an impact position

mastershakeman
Oct 28, 2008

by vyelkin

Doltos posted:

Yeah I take a lot of scouting with a grain of salt. For instance that Deshaun Watson blurb was raving about his leadership but kept glossing over how he throws terrible passes and makes boneheaded plays. Plus the three white WR comparison with Cooper Kupp.

But in all honesty if JuJu busts I'm ready to write off every future USC receiver from now until the end of time.

the Watson stuff is weird because he had a ton of picks yet torched bamas defense in both times, so I dunno if he was just funslinging in the regular season or what because he looked incredible against a bunch of NFL prospects both times

mastershakeman
Oct 28, 2008

by vyelkin

Slowpoke! posted:

Neither of those guys project to be scrambling QBs in the NFL. Watson will take more hits than both of them combined. The NFL has also proven that when it comes to running QBs, they aren't willing to extend the same degree of protection that pocket passers get.

Rodgers ? favre? young?

mastershakeman
Oct 28, 2008

by vyelkin
Garrett is falling to the bears god drat it

mastershakeman
Oct 28, 2008

by vyelkin
it's all Brett favres fault for winning one title and convincing decades of scouts that funslinging will be an asset

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mastershakeman
Oct 28, 2008

by vyelkin

Alaois posted:

funslinging IS an asset, to totally rad and fun to watch games

agreed. I loved Grossman and cutler and would find it hilarious to have mahomes on the bears

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