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I haven't posted here in a while, but if you remember I was at Fort Hood for a long time, to include the 2009 and 2014 shootings. Based on how Hood and many other posts of trained for emergency response, anyone with a gun is likely to get loving iced. http://www.military.com/daily-news/2016/11/21/dod-releases-plan-allow-personnel-carry-firearms-base.html quote:Military.com | Nov 21, 2016 | by Matthew Cox
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# ? Nov 23, 2016 04:11 |
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# ? May 3, 2024 01:06 |
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Good of you to keep this out of CE. I do look forward to seaman timmy CCing a gun and popping his LPO when he tells him to do a field day.
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# ? Nov 23, 2016 04:53 |
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Nice to hear the military taking strides to make PT more interesting.
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# ? Nov 23, 2016 05:14 |
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This is gonna lead to officer only concealed carry once some young enlisted guy pops a cap in his dickhead commanders head. Just wait.
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# ? Nov 23, 2016 06:09 |
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LtCol J. Krusinski posted:This is gonna lead to officer only concealed carry once some young enlisted guy pops a cap in his dickhead commanders head. Again, you mean?
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# ? Nov 23, 2016 06:12 |
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I did, actually.
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# ? Nov 23, 2016 07:29 |
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Your son died valiantly defending his fellow soldiers during an active shooter situation *got blasted by another guy who was spooked because someone dropped some weights*
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# ? Nov 23, 2016 16:04 |
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Reminds me of the HR guys on Bagram who fired off their weapons in the bunker while taking cover.
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# ? Nov 23, 2016 16:18 |
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Did you guys miss the part where a person must be approved by their (battalion equiv.) commander? No, of course nobody will authorize PFC Fucknuts to carry. Time and again, people trot out this idea that concealed carry will be abused by idiots to settle petty disputes, and yet it still almost never happens.
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# ? Nov 23, 2016 16:45 |
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Naked Bear posted:Did you guys miss the part where a person must be approved by their (battalion equiv.) commander? No, of course nobody will authorize PFC Fucknuts to carry. Time and again, people trot out this idea that concealed carry will be abused by idiots to settle petty disputes, and yet it still almost never happens. I have TWO anecdotes about incidents like this.
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# ? Nov 23, 2016 17:34 |
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Don't get me wrong, I'm sure everybody here knows that crazy guy who did the thing that time.. it happens, yes. My point is that it's not a common occurrence, and, not to discount your own personal experiences, anecdotes are just that.
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# ? Nov 23, 2016 18:04 |
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Naked Bear posted:Don't get me wrong, I'm sure everybody here knows that crazy guy who did the thing that time.. it happens, yes. My point is that it's not a common occurrence, and, not to discount your own personal experiences, anecdotes are just that. And as you pointed out, the concealed carry requires an O-5 to sign off on it. Personal experience and completely anecdotal but I've never met anyone who could get their O-3 to sign off on storing personal weapons in the company arms room, so I highly doubt that an O-5 will allow a bunch of retard enlisted to carry on base. Plus, as soon as some rear end in a top hat does and inevitably shoots his battle buddy you just know that garrison commanders will ban concealed carry.
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# ? Nov 23, 2016 18:30 |
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Naked Bear posted:Did you guys miss the part where a person must be approved by their (battalion equiv.) commander? No, of course nobody will authorize PFC Fucknuts to carry. Time and again, people trot out this idea that concealed carry will be abused by idiots to settle petty disputes, and yet it still almost never happens. Yeah because Battalion Commanders never make terrible character decisions anymore, and have the time to get to know all the Soldiers in the battalion.
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# ? Nov 23, 2016 19:37 |
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LtCol J. Krusinski posted:This is gonna lead to officer only concealed carry once some officer fucks it up. Fixed that for you. Seriously, how often does poo poo get restricted for enlisted because some NCO or officer does something stupid? "1SG ND'd into a clearing barrel, everybody E4 and below needs to be supervised at clearing barrels." "SFC got a DUI, E4 and below need a chaperone when driving." "The Chief of Staff murdered a hooker on live TV during the State of the Union, E4 and below are confined to their company areas at all times."
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# ? Nov 23, 2016 19:39 |
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3rdEyeDeuteranopia posted:Yeah because Battalion Commanders never make terrible character decisions anymore, and have the time to get to know all the Soldiers in the battalion. Allen West Did Nothing Wrong
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# ? Nov 23, 2016 19:39 |
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3rdEyeDeuteranopia posted:Yeah because Battalion Commanders never make terrible character decisions anymore, and have the time to get to know all the Soldiers in the battalion. Incidentally, somebody mentioned personal weapons in arms rooms, and all that was needed in my troop was to get a hand receipt from the armorer (always E-4/E-5) for whatever poo poo you stored in there. Source: me. Naked Bear fucked around with this message at 19:54 on Nov 23, 2016 |
# ? Nov 23, 2016 19:52 |
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I would say most company commanders are absolutely terrible with the amount of responsibility they currently have too.
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# ? Nov 23, 2016 19:59 |
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I ain't gonna argue that.
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# ? Nov 23, 2016 20:06 |
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all nobles must hang
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# ? Nov 23, 2016 22:44 |
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Helldump Immunity posted:all loving nobles must loving hang
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# ? Nov 23, 2016 23:15 |
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I am eager to hear about how SGT Fucknuts shot off the tip of his dick with his Taurus Judge valiantly defending against PFC Schmuckatelli who had a ND in the DFAC showing off his cool Glock that he totally got permission from BN to carry in a few months when the inevitable Army-mandated firearms safety class hits.
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# ? Nov 23, 2016 23:18 |
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I completely forgot about how popular cheap taurus are with junior officers and junior enlisted a lot. A lot of people bought that shotgun pistol back in 2009 after the Hassan shooting, from the same place Hassan got his guns even.
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# ? Nov 23, 2016 23:59 |
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I know next to nothing about regular firearms, I just remembered that Taurus makes some absolutely stupid revolvers and it seemed like the most enlisted option.
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# ? Nov 24, 2016 00:03 |
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And lieutenant option
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# ? Nov 24, 2016 00:05 |
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Did he buy the guns at Super 1 Pawn or Gun's Galore down Rancier or whatever
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# ? Nov 24, 2016 00:27 |
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My coworkers were discussing this today, and were super excited about it. Broke it to them that it needed an O5 signature once every three months and watched as they all realized that they'd still not be allowed to carry their guns all the time. I then laughed at them while explaining that I don't own any guns so I couldn't care less about their problem.
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# ? Nov 24, 2016 00:45 |
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Hillary Clintons Thong posted:Did he buy the guns at Super 1 Pawn or Gun's Galore down Rancier or whatever Gun's Galore which is on Fort Hood Street.
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# ? Nov 24, 2016 00:55 |
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3rdEyeDeuteranopia posted:Gun's Galore which is on Fort Hood Street. Ah yeah thanks. Those guys were dicks.
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# ? Nov 24, 2016 00:56 |
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Well rich dicks after all the shootings.
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# ? Nov 24, 2016 01:04 |
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A Bad Poster posted:I don't own any guns so I couldn't care less about their problem. this
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# ? Nov 24, 2016 01:19 |
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A Bad Poster posted:I own guns and I still couldn't care less about their problem. Helldump Immunity fucked around with this message at 03:37 on Nov 24, 2016 |
# ? Nov 24, 2016 03:34 |
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3rdEyeDeuteranopia posted:I completely forgot about how popular cheap taurus are with junior officers and junior enlisted a lot. A lot of people bought that shotgun pistol back in 2009 after the Hassan shooting, from the same place Hassan got his guns even. Like that story about the dude who traded up a paper clip to a house, but way, way more enlisted. Naked Bear fucked around with this message at 04:40 on Nov 24, 2016 |
# ? Nov 24, 2016 04:38 |
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Is predatory lending for guns a thing? Someone should start a shop selling desert eagles, judges, and other magnums in gold and other gaudy coatings
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# ? Nov 24, 2016 06:34 |
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Writing my congressman now to require all payday loan and auto dealerships within 20 miles of a post quote their interest rates in logs of grizzly wintergreen
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# ? Nov 24, 2016 15:43 |
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Suicide Watch posted:Is predatory lending for guns a thing? Someone should start a shop selling desert eagles, judges, and other magnums in gold and other gaudy coatings Yes. because all the gun stores near me are pawnshops this is a thing ( I mean its a quality gun shop, good range good selection and a 30 dollar fee for online buying via gunbroker which is a steal if you don't want your own NFA trust)
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# ? Nov 24, 2016 18:34 |
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Pesticide20 posted:And as you pointed out, the concealed carry requires an O-5 to sign off on it. Personal experience and completely anecdotal but I've never met anyone who could get their O-3 to sign off on storing personal weapons in the company arms room, so I highly doubt that an O-5 will allow a bunch of retard enlisted to carry on base. Plus, as soon as some rear end in a top hat does and inevitably shoots his battle buddy you just know that garrison commanders will ban concealed carry. What was the reason behind that? I feel like the commander being a dick about storing weapons in the arms room (which would show a lot of prudence/rear end-covering on his part, legally speaking) for no good reason would be like if the commander for some reason banned the practice of Judaism in the barracks. That said, only idiots would store their poo poo in the arms room vs a (VERY TRUSTED!!!) friend's house off-post/gun range locker.
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# ? Nov 26, 2016 03:14 |
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Suicide Watch posted:Is predatory lending for guns a thing? Someone should start a shop selling desert eagles, judges, and other magnums in gold and other gaudy coatings http://www.magnumresearch.com/Firearms/Magnum-Research-Desert-Eagle-50-AE-24K-Gold.asp NO MONEY DOWN E-Z FINANCING FOR E1 AND ABOVE!!
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# ? Nov 26, 2016 03:46 |
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Justin Tyme posted:What was the reason behind that? I feel like the commander being a dick about storing weapons in the arms room (which would show a lot of prudence/rear end-covering on his part, legally speaking) for no good reason would be like if the commander for some reason banned the practice of Judaism in the barracks. gently caress, dude, I don't know what the reasons were, nor did I care because my gun was at my parents. If there was an actual reason beyond gently caress Joe I would be quite surprised. For reference that was while I was in first brigade at the 82nd. My understanding in Italy was you just didn't own guns over there.
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# ? Nov 26, 2016 04:43 |
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I honestly feel that this is just a political move to cover their backs for the next on base shooting, since no 1st Sgt is actually going to let you get anywhere near the battalion commander just so some dipshit enlisted can walk around with a pistol. Its going to be restricted to officers and SNCOs only which is honestly dope as hell because when a shootout starts at the PX all the enlisted are going to get the hell out of there while the officers start shooting at each other.
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# ? Nov 26, 2016 09:51 |
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Reverand maynard posted:I honestly feel that this is just a political move to cover their backs for the next on base shooting, Probably. Since fixing the culture that makes people like Hassan possible just isn't going to happpen. Problem children will be kicked down the road instead of fixed, fired, or tied to a tree and shot. Same reason there's a massive brain drain in "peace" time while fart huffing shitlickers who hid in training commands stick around to complain about how we can now get back to a "real" military that cares about how pretty men you aren't going to gently caress are instead of "can they do job?" Can't have "problem child" show up on paper as problem child even if they're fixed because that means there was a problem and someone isn't getting invited to the circlejerk later. Anyone else remember how dumb pre OIF or OEF military was? When the old fuckers were the ones who'd done shield/storm? I'll stop before this turns into a pages long rant about risk averse cowardice that isn't borderline, but actual treason that should be punished by death.
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# ? Nov 26, 2016 15:09 |