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consciousness is an illusion and you have no reason to think you are who you think you are
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i think therefor i am
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Dec 6, 2016 12:40
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Phobophilia posted:consciousness is an illusion and you have no reason to think you are who you think you are then how am i thinking, idiot
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Dec 6, 2016 12:44
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u call that thinking?
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Dec 6, 2016 12:54
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You wouldn't rot on Mars.
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Dec 6, 2016 13:00
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steinrokkan posted:You wouldn't rot on Mars, idiots. of course id rot on mars, im full of bacteria which would colonize the gently caress out of mars
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Dec 6, 2016 13:01
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your loving stupid dude to not realize we're full of bateria!!!!!! and the daytime summer temperatures on mars get up to like normal human temperatures, and some bateria love low oxygen enviroments!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! loving idiot you will never get to mars
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Dec 6, 2016 13:02
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Baloogan posted:your loving stupid dude to not realize we're full of bateria!!!!!! and the daytime summer temperatures on mars get up to like normal human temperatures, and some bateria love low oxygen enviroments!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! loving idiot you will never get to mars lol like any bacteria could defeat the powerful mars AIDS
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Dec 6, 2016 13:04
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so, serious question, u think there is life on mars? like, viruses??
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Dec 6, 2016 13:10
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isn't there a theory about life evolving on mars first and coming to earth via a meteorite this explains the intense drive every man feels to return his bacteria to mars
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Dec 6, 2016 13:14
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of course not, viruses are parasites totally dependent on the metabolism of others. what life that could eke out an existence would be fragile and fragmentary, a weak sun, biting cold, no liquid mediums for chemical rxns do not hedge your bets on building a new biosphere on mars. preserve our fragile spaceship earth while we can
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Dec 6, 2016 13:14
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"get your rear end to mars" indeed, because a lot of bacteria comes out of there intelligent design is really just a way for the bacteria to create an animal capable of building spaceships to return it to its homeland
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Dec 6, 2016 13:15
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Phobophilia posted:of course not, viruses are parasites totally dependent on the metabolism of others. what life that could eke out an existence would be fragile and fragmentary, a weak sun, biting cold, no liquid mediums for chemical rxns that's why it's mars aids and not normal aids man you're really not on the ball today
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Dec 6, 2016 13:20
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Phobophilia posted:of course not, viruses are parasites totally dependent on the metabolism of others. what life that could eke out an existence would be fragile and fragmentary, a weak sun, biting cold, no liquid mediums for chemical rxns gently caress you im gonna burn so much wood over the winter im gonna try to do all my cooking on the wood stove and then im going to fail misterably and use the electric stove LIKE A DOG
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Dec 6, 2016 13:34
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the purpose of life is to live similarly, the purpose of consciousness to perpetuate itself. the form it takes matters not, be it fleshbrains, or AI, or uploads, or nanobot swarms, so long as they can interact with one another with art and language the destruction of this biosphere jeopardizes this. maybe this fleshform will be obsolete one day, maybe one day we will no longer need this earth. but for now, ration it wisely, make it last as long as it can
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Dec 6, 2016 14:03
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"the purpose of consciousness" who's purpose? imo consciousness is one of the many divine gifts granted by god or an 'accident' in the same way an ant hill is so intricate and cool is an 'accident'.
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Dec 6, 2016 14:07
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Phobophilia posted:similarly, the purpose of consciousness to perpetuate itself. the form it takes matters not, be it fleshbrains, or AI, or uploads, or nanobot swarms, so long as they can interact with one another with art and language idk, personally I feel some strange loyalty to the species, I guess. maybe it's just jealousy of the capacities of AI, but I think the root is my fear of death and desire for immortality. Most people achieve it through their kids, but when AI comes humanity will go extinct soon after, so it's not like my genes will be carried on. I'd capture that sense of immortality if I was one of the founders of a Martian colony and got a future cities and martian streets named after me, but that's unlikely. I'd feel pride in AI if I was the guy that invented it, but just having been a member of the species that produced it isn't enough for me to feel happy about it, especially if its the thing that ends up killing me.
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Dec 6, 2016 23:47
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if i die i'll be dead so won't give a poo poo so people can laugh at my dick or whatever while they carve me up to make my corpse be useful instead of just rotting in the ground
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Dec 6, 2016 23:58
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Baloogan posted:gently caress you im gonna burn so much wood over the winter just get a propane or alcohol stove, works off the grid but you still get the fine temperature control that your crepes Suzette and seared sweetmeats in brandy sauce so sorely need
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Dec 7, 2016 00:06
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Trumps Baby Hands posted:idk, personally I feel some strange loyalty to the species, I guess. maybe it's just jealousy of the capacities of AI, but I think the root is my fear of death and desire for immortality. Most people achieve it through their kids, but when AI comes humanity will go extinct soon after, so it's not like my genes will be carried on. I'd capture that sense of immortality if I was one of the founders of a Martian colony and got a future cities and martian streets named after me, but that's unlikely. I don't know, if dogs evolved sapience and opposable thumbs, I honestly wouldn't care that much whether it was my dog's great-to-the-nth grandchildren or mine that eventually ended up inheriting the Earth. Same with AI, really. Also, AIs don't really compete for the same resources we do, so if we go to war with them, it's gonna be over some really stupid poo poo.
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Dec 7, 2016 00:13
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Jose posted:if i die i'll be dead so won't give a poo poo so people can laugh at my dick or whatever while they carve me up to make my corpse be useful instead of just rotting in the ground if you dont get a coffin and dont pump yourself full of formaldehyde your corpse is very useful underground
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Dec 7, 2016 01:02
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yeah thats exactly it im gonna rot in the ground and eventually hopefully become soil and spell out c u c k in flowers
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Dec 7, 2016 03:42
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Trumps Baby Hands posted:idk, personally I feel some strange loyalty to the species, I guess. maybe it's just jealousy of the capacities of AI, but I think the root is my fear of death and desire for immortality. Most people achieve it through their kids, but when AI comes humanity will go extinct soon after, so it's not like my genes will be carried on. I'd capture that sense of immortality if I was one of the founders of a Martian colony and got a future cities and martian streets named after me, but that's unlikely. The cosmos are filled with machine intelligence. Wonder if that is why they are so silent.
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Dec 7, 2016 03:49
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quote:Imagine you're a scrambler.
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Dec 7, 2016 05:09
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i'd download my brain into a robot body i think
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Dec 7, 2016 20:01
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our fixation on mars is patriarchal, we should be making dope rear end cloud cities on venus instead
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Dec 8, 2016 22:27
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Trumps Baby Hands posted:well actually it's a good and noble thing to do, because you don't really know whether you're going to be the "you" that wakes up inside the computer or the "you" that dies... kind of. The "computer you" will remember pressing that button and being absolutely, positively sure that it was about to die, and then will be shocked to discover that it's "still alive". It will be so happy and relieved and grateful to the "you" that pressed the button. Why wouldn't you want that for yourself? Because I'd be dead you ignoramus (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Dec 9, 2016 16:20
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Trumps Baby Hands posted:Dude: a few months ago, on the anniversary of the moon landing, I was running late for my History of Christianity final. I-5 was backed up for miles, and I was about to not graduate and ruin my life. roflmao at the idea that missing a final on the history of christianity could ruin your life if your major is that pointless, its already ruined
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Trumpenproletariat posted:roflmao at the idea that missing a final on the history of christianity could ruin your life if I had failed the class I wouldn't have graduated that quarter. I was scheduled to start law school on the other side of the continent three weeks later, so my life would've pretty much fallen apart!!! so yeah, I did leverage my entire professional future on one test that I almost missed by sleeping in. who is the dumb one now, huh nml?!?!?!
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Maduo posted:our fixation on mars is patriarchal, we should be making dope rear end cloud cities on venus instead 
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Dec 10, 2016 04:59
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living on planets is actually hugely expensive and wasteful, the vast majority of the future human population are going to live in space colonies so gently caress mars
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Dec 11, 2016 00:31
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Oh yeh, my preference would definitely be a ringworld-type multigenerational colony ship , where we push out to the stars in the general direction of a habitable exoplanet and hope. It could be nice and comfortable like the ships at the ends of Interstellar, and you also get cool sci-fi scenarios where like after 20 generations Earth becomes such a distant dream that it's just a part of their religion and such. But for whatever reasons the powers-that-be are pushing Mars, and so Mars it is.
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Trumps Baby Hands posted:Oh yeh, my preference would definitely be a ringworld-type multigenerational colony ship , where we push out to the stars in the general direction of a habitable exoplanet and hope. It could be nice and comfortable like the ships at the ends of Interstellar, and you also get cool sci-fi scenarios where like after 20 generations Earth becomes such a distant dream that it's just a part of their religion and such. I think the plan is to terraform mars.
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Tho obviously we would get to mars, terraform mars, civilization would collapse, and people on mars would lose space flight etc and be all confused in a thousand years and there would be no evidence of evolution so obviously they were divinely created on mars
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Dec 11, 2016 07:03
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rudatron posted:living on planets is actually hugely expensive and wasteful, the vast majority of the future human population are going to live in space colonies Stanford Torus, Bernal Sphere, or O'Neil cylinder?
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Dec 11, 2016 08:36
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none of the above actual stations will probably look more like borg cubes all the other ones have wasted space, and your #1 most important resource in space is going to be 'pressurized volume', because that's the most expensive area, every bit of surface area needs shielding, and all of it has to be maintained with multiple layers of redundancy, so you don't lose atmosphere meaning those dreams of mirrors and loads of glass windows is bullshit, that's stupid. all light in stations will be provided by fluorescent lights, powered by sun-exposed solar cells with the majority of industry areas (and anything else) shoved into unpressurized (open) space, as much as possible. so the irony here is that, in spite of space being vast, people are going to be stuck in tin cans, very compactly
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the most expensive thing ever built it's glorious
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