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There would have been a time when people thought checkout work couldn't be automated so it was safe. Now one staff member runs ten auto checkouts and no one bats an eye. ATMs layed off thousands of bank clerks. What I'm getting at is that automating tasks doesn't need to be making a robot that does exactly what the human equivalent does. You can train customers to have a new set of expectations that is automated. Also just quickly automated workers do not need to be anything like a human. Doors can have electronic latches and locks that will open for the robot. Making robots climb stairs is also a non issue use tracks or stair climber wheels like on movers trolleys, or don't be a twit and realise that if a company goes automated then they will take the cost of ramps as part of the automation. Yes automating will be a large short term cost but if goes on saving for its entire life.
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INH5 posted:Actually, the number of bank clerk jobs steadily increased at the same time that ATMs were adopted. US only article and the increase in tellers is due to the increase in branches. Australia didn't experience an expansion of branches. Banks globally are shutting branches due to the rise of internet commerce so lay offs are even forecast in that article. So no ATMs mean less clerks per branch and now that the internet is automating shopping more there's less need for branches. feel like the other poster covered the self checkout thing.
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SaTaMaS posted:True enough, but if they can't find anyone they can pay $35/hour to program CNC machines here in the US, it doesn't seem like it will be that long before they can pay someone much less to program them remotely from China or elsewhere... I am a programmer and setter. I run 5 machines most days and 6 on occasions. I can do this because it gets easier to "program" ever year. Right now you can get software that shits out a program from a CAD model for less than a grand a year. It's free if you are using it for education or personal use. 5 axis machines are not a million dollars. Unless they are huge. Also $35 an hour would be nice but that's my poo poo employer not the market.
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rscott posted:Mazak variaxis i-800s with all the SmoothControl add ons My original post has a dig at Mazak for being the Apple of the industry but it's got nothing to do with the thread. For context saying 5 axis cost a million is like saying all sports cars cost millions because one new Ferrari does. That ignores all the affordable ones.
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rscott posted:idk what to tell you man but we just bought two more 50 year old Bridgeports to run 777-X drag links on, the models may be cad but the machines sure as hell aren't I don't know the part your talking about but there are some things still faster on manual machines or old auto's. If the work isn't complex and there's good jigging then an operator on a dinosaur can be quite cost effective. We do most of our prototyping in the tool room on manual machines to get samples out, for very short run parts it's still cost effective as well. Most of my work is still done off paper drawings, sure they are generated from a model (oh look automation ending a trade) but I don't get access to the model in most cases. Hell I do a lot of work off sketches that don't even have tolerances and often missing dimensions, I've even made runs of parts "fit for purpose" where a customer just drops off the mating part/assembly and says go for it. If the numbers thrown around is this thread are right then that's quite surprising. AUD$35 an hour is top dollar for CNC programming and setting here so US$35 sounds amazing. Just a nit pick there are no CAD machines but I'm confident the bridgeports are not CNCed. That's just me being a  though I know what you meant.
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News just ran a story saying ⅔ of Australian businesses have or intend to install AI. The guy they interviewed talked about how they can do Jobs quicker and better than humans. Looking forwards to seeing the new jobs that will be made for the people who lost their jobs. Sorry for the derail back to yet more super interesting self driving car talk.
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Solkanar512 posted:Wait, for the businesses that have actually installed AI, what was it that was actually installed? Mostly banking and finance so far but they mentioned insurance, government departments and health.
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Just want to share this little laugh with a now dead thread.
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I like that discount chemist warehouse dropped him after a "slight misunderstanding". I'd love to read more about that.
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Wow you'd think after living here since birth I'd have know that Australians are all just itching for a chance to trash/poo poo in a business. There are some weird reactions to stuff ITT.
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Coles and woolies the biggest supermarkets here down under have both been rolling out self checkouts for a few years. Recently they reveled that they are loosing some huge amount of money to theft through them. So naturally they Like gently caress you, you want more security you pay for it. Maybe they could find some robo cops?
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Love how often this thread gets the hurrrr durrrr robots can't X. Only to have someone post a video of a robot doing X or having to explain that the task can be modified to make it automated.
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It's a good thing programming is so safe from automation, that means that there will be work for all the people who loose other jobs to it! I know my country will totally spend the money on retraining thousands of people into programmers and not just let them languish on unemployment. Another good thing is that techbros are super special and even if economies tank due to large numbers of unemployed then they are still safe because of ......... Programmer magic? My point being that just because you're job is safe doesn't make you safe from the ill effects of automaton in a world that has not prepared for it.
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Did anyone say in the next ten years? Isn't the point that it doesn't matter when your job will be automated but that it will be and then what?
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Would you have preferred some projections owl? It seems fair to say what they did say, to me.
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No content post I'll admit but FFS don't derail into self driving cars again.
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could someone automate the self driving car derails?
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Oh but you see that forklift could be easily tricked by snow or someone painting the back of a truck on a wall so REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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BobTheJanitor posted:it was able to learn go, chess, and shogi Read Shogo and was pretty pumped to have automated 13 year old poo poo talkers trashing me in the online games.
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:I like the irony of the contrast of the two boogiemen. Slap on some BS about people saying it's no bodies in SV and badda Bing badda boom OOCC is the smartest guy in the room again. You just keep fighting that straw man won't you. That last quote, just lol
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Do you know what contrast means?
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I'm OOCC contrast people feeling powerless and lost in a rapidly changing world with people feeling lost and powerless in a rapidly changing world. Now that I have done the light of my MASSIVE INTELLECT on that problem I'll just poo poo these goals and move on to poo poo up another thread. Like seriously you are trying so desperately to be smarter than everyone else that you don't even have an idea other than don't worry it'll sorry itself out. If anyone asks you for an example of what the world might be you don't know you just know it'll be fine. Like lol don't worry there's slums full of people working. Slums famous for being full of healthy happy people, enjoying all the progress humanity has made so far!
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Cockmaster posted:Any way you slice it, there's just no excuse to go pinning the blame on people who only want to deter bona fide crime while the government fails to solve anything on account of some quasi-religious aversion to spending money to help people.
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Wtf poo poo are you dribbling OOCC, that guy said homelessness was a crime, that's some hyper authoritarian poo poo, just like judge dredd. gently caress me you can't take a joke without running it through your hosed up fo filter of why everyone else is wrong and dumb.
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Growing some food for savings and fun is amazingly easy and the market for tech dorks that want a robo gardener will be tiny. Like yeah if you could make a robot that can do all the tasks required for a hundred bucks then mby but it's not just watering and weeding. None of the tasks are hard to do or learn but they are many and varied. Watering is the prime time to just be near and check your plants for signs of sickness, stress or pests or time to harvest. Also there are loving hundreds of homesteader channels on YouTube heaps of people go off grid and self sufficient. You don't know them because they don't come to your mums basement.
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Teal posted:It will definitely be more of a niche thing for nerds and enthusiasts and the practical impact will be less "self sufficiency produce for them pyorple" and more whitecollar dads lazing in a recliner, watching the sucker go (and getting up to get it unstuck once in a while). The first one is already here people are making essentially router tables in their yards like in the video up thread, that group probably wont grow(much) for a long time. Vertical farming and Hydro/Aquaponics at large scales are industrial farming, and as already pointed out, that is a game where the players outlay millions. Every Cessna doesn't have auto landing despite the fact it is an old commercial tech. I'll try again, Gardening is all ready so loving cheep and easy at the home level that automation will not make a big difference. The labour required is varied hard to simplify, not good for automation) and very very time inexpensive. You can tend a patch that will make an appreciable difference to your bills in less than an hour a day, and not even everyday, you can go on holiday/get hospitalised w/e and it will look after itself for a while without you.
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Vertical farming also gains in being able to be close to the final destination, don't have to ship it far if it was grown in the 'burbs.
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I love tools, they make life better but seriously it didn't take long to learn how the purple around you feel about things. Like if after a year or two you can't read your partner's mood accurately most of the time, or after a few weeks learn what the baby wants from the cry/actions then you got issues. If the tools are made to help autistics then cool but the only help that will offer most people is that if someone is using their phone to see how you feel then they are an autistic or good level sperg Lord gently caress head.
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Algorithms have been nothing but good for us so far! If only one could tell me how to dress  Who writes that winner? Apple, Google or Amazon gonna get the right to tell us all how we should dress? gently caress silicon valley I don't think anyone should be able to tell you how to dress, not fashion mags, not highschool kid, not some weird group think you believe in and sure as gently caress not the people who think "move fast and break things" is a cool attitude.
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Blut posted:Some people have absolutely no sense of what colours, styles, or fits go together in their clothes. Particularly Americans, who seem to have a timeless love for Walmart jeans and baggy tshirts. You don't like t-shirts and jeans, they are comfortable and cheap, they endure for a reason. What the gently caress is with this thread? Automation is useful at making work easier so we have more time to be humans but all you goony dicks want machines to be human for you so you can capitalism harder. Like gently caress me, if it's so trivial to dress well that an ai could be made overnight then just loving learn how to dress your self. It will take you ten minutes on YouTube and then day to day, go nuts, ask another flesh bag of you look like poo poo. Sure you got bullied a lot in highschool but that was because you're awkward as hell and kid are cruel Basterds. You're adults now and people like interacting with other people, we are social monkeys, they won't hurt you. The world isn't a game of DND you don't dress to min max on some loving spread sheet, grow up. I mean at least it's automation of something you are talking about but your analysis of it is "yes I am a social retard, I would love an ai mum to dress me and tell me I am special!". The paperback sci fi about a world of man babies, dressed by all loving algorithms and growing food in their yards by letting a specialised green thumb quad copter do the work, writes itself. It's the saddest most pathetic future you could go for, one where people exist to watch tools live for them instead of work for them. Somewhere in all the bitching about people only seeing bad futures, with no work but the same work or die society, you all switched to letting the tail wag the dog.
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