D_Smart posted:

You guys need to get a grip.

Someone made a meme using a publicly available image. The wording on the gate is straight out of the Star Citizen concierge card, as is the ship in the background. I shared it because I thought it was funny. I simply don't care that some people find it offensive because I'm not responsible for their feelz, neither is my social media feed their safe space.

Me? I don't care for outrage culture. I grew up on Usenet. Nothing fazes me.

People who find it so offensive should go around the net advocating for the removal of any/all such images.

https://twitter.com/savage_crabs/status/973846702447906817

Dooguk posted:

Bollocks

Foo Diddley posted:

Maybe his waifu left him

VictorianQueerLit posted:

When you pay more than a passing attention to Star Citizen you start to lose the concept of the value of money.

It's how backers can poo poo on Elite having a $100 pricing model or bundled games costing $150 but not care about "Cheap" ships in Star Citizen being five hundred dollars. Single ships cost hundreds or thousands of dollars and people are just used to that idea.

It won't fully be realized until the game either finally releases or goes out of business and backers find out what they actually will receive for the money they spent and not what they can dream is possible.

I mean we all mock Clifford and he is a regular thread subject but it's hard to step back and think about how he has spent fifty thousand dollars on internet space ships. Fifty thousand dollars.

ColonoscopyExp posted:

I have kind of a bone to pick with some of you in this thread who actually feel bad for anyone that works there. CR and the management gang rightfully get the bulk of the scorn but I think some of you are missing a big part of the picture. This isn't Madoff and a few buds setting up some investment ponzi scheme, this is more akin to a large office building running phishing scams out of India/Florida. A lot of people are involved.

Even the lowliest dev knows what the score is. They know they can't deliver even 1/4 of what Cr promised. They probably justify it to themselves by thinking that they aren't the ones who made the promises.

But they are scum for multiple reasons (not every employee fits every one of these reasons but if you fall into even 1 you are morally culpable)

1. They stay at their job even though they know the game is unable to be delivered even remotely close to as promised. Their entire paycheck is derived from scam money gained under false pretenses. They are aware of this in 2018.
2. They stay at their job even though they are incapable of delivering what their bosses ask. (probably no one is with CRs insane demands but the point stands, its unethical to take money for a job you know you cant do)
3. Many show up on ATVs, streams, etc to perpetuate the scam.

To all the devs at CIG, get a real job. And if you whine that you can't get a job in the games industry, maybe it isn't for you. Because technically speaking you aren't in the games industry right now. You are in the scam/MLM industry. If you whine that you need the money. That doesn't give you the right to take it from others, often mentally ill, under false pretenses. You are scum. If you stayed for an additional 2 weeks after realizing it was a scam. You are scum.

I know it seems harsh but its 2018. Everyone is fully aware of what the score is. I'd love to get some feedback and a cogent explanation from someone in here on why the even lowly QA person at CIG is somehow not a scammer. Without all those employees Chris wouldn't have been able to scam even a small percentage of what was raised. The concept art, PU, etc is what brings in money for the scam on an ongoing basis. They are what makes this possible.

ColonoscopyExp posted:

I am. But I am also correct.

ColonoscopyExp posted:

Pretty much yes you are on that level. What makes you think you aren't? Why do you think you have the moral right to continue taking that money if you think you can't deliver what people are paying you to do? Just because you need to make rent?

At least own that you are a thief.

ColonoscopyExp posted:

Yes they should if they took money for it in advance. Most won't (lookin at you), but they should. The second you realize that its not possible is when you should be looking at leaving.

ColonoscopyExp posted:

Well Frontier announced the change, apologized, and ( I hope) gave refunds if people wanted. We aren't in 2018 with Frontier promising offline support just around the corner.

ColonoscopyExp posted:

I apologize if this got heavy for some, that unethical QA dude in particular. Was not my intention. Just disliked seeing people feeling sorry for devs crunching or whatever at CIG. They were working extra hard to ensure the scam continues.

ColonoscopyExp posted:

Morally the same thing occurred if they advertised it as such. Something was taken from you and you were decieved. I get that you are close to the situation as a game person but try to think a little outside your box. People go to prison for fraud all the time my man.

ColonoscopyExp posted:

Who said anything about jail? I said multiple times now nobody will be going to jail for stuff on this level. This is about ethics. I really don't understand what is confusing you. I explained it as calmly and as clearly as I can multiple times. I think you are just too close to this and possibly feeling a bit guilty/defensive.

And yes Peter's QA team are absolutely morally culpable if they knew for a fact that thing X would not be in the game despite advertisements but chose to keep getting paychecks derived from mislead people anyway.

The Titanic posted:

I love these, because it's people still clinging to the initial Kickstarter concepts of the game and totally ignoring what it's actually becoming.

Like, what simulation aspects does it have? What realistic value is it supposed to be attempting to simulate?

ColonoscopyExp posted:

I didn't address this before but there was a QA guy who said he QA'd what he was told to QA on a scam project. So he says he was providing the good/service and deserved his paycheck.

Being able to swing a bat really hard and accurately is a marketable skill. Yet we look very differently at the people who are paid to use this skill on rival's heads or on baseballs. there are endless examples I picked a fun one dont nitpick you guilt ridden man

Daztek posted:

surface detail

The Titanic posted:

And yet according to their metrics this group still manages to successfully support an entire multinational corporation. I'm not sure if that adds up either, but I've been wrong lots of times before.

It seems, to me, that there aren't enough ship purchases and other stuff possible to constantly buy to keep everything afloat unless these guys are just buying and gifting. But I don't see any of them as coming off as being giving or philanthropists types, so that model wouldn't work.

Ideally the only way we may ever know how this is functioning is if CryTek gets it to public record during discovery or the trial. I can wrap my head around everything at CIG, including the gross mismanagement, but for the life of me I can't figure out the income methods allowing them to keep the doors open.

Mirificus posted:

Hav posted:

Not to put too fine a point on it, but he was loved by some people, hated by some people, but he existed and died of something that doesn’t respect any of that poo poo. I respect you a hell of a lot less for taking a moral high ground there.

I wouldn’t wish the lingering death on anyone, least of all the people left behind.

rear end in a top hat.

Banano posted:

G0RF posted:

https://twitter.com/SidAlpha/status/1004831129440903168

Um, Montoya, this would be a great opportunity to do one of your just-in-time videos explaining the final resolution to this sad chapter... Good opportunity to clear up misconceptions about who might’ve been to blame and where they might’ve come from...

Or you could just be a dirtbag. I’m sure you’ll make the right choice...

Colostomy Bag posted:

Appears Kirk won another no-win scenario.

Mirificus posted:

Scruffpuff posted:

Looking forward to Chris showing up in person for E3, spitting on real game developers while he waves their hands in their faces and stammers "UHH UH UH FIDELITY UHH UH MAYBE ROCKSTAR UM UM UM MORE LETHAL" until he's escorted off the premises by security, which turn out to be strip club security because Chris confused the neon lights at an adult night spot with the E3 festoonery.

Kosumo posted:

Anyone who has ever posted about how Star Citizen is dumb because of the gun physics is also just as dumb.

I am amazed how some posters have come out all "that's not now guns works, I know, I gun, Star Citizen is bad"

Star Citizen IS bad and mismanaged ….. Gun nuts are just as, if not more bad and more dangerous.

While many here are keen on the "once this ends people will die (by suicide or revenge)!!!" drama.

The love of guns is more deadly and DOES lead to deaths.


Beerforthebeergod boost how when he got his refund he spent it on a gun goes to show the cross over in the people who would give Chris Roberts money (They live in a dream world ….. That can be very real dangerous to the general population) and those who are living in a dream world.

He gave Chris Roberts a lot of money, he also has weapons that are designed to kill people with totally efficiency.

Every have given Chris Roberts money is dumb.

Same person having murder weapons ….. wow.

G0RF posted:

TWITCH: AstroPub takes on the World’s Deadliest Fetch Quest
(starts at 3:34:48, if my mobile link is bad...)

A downed Starfarer, a valuable box, and the promise of a 900 credit reward. Your mission, should you choose to accept it, is to:

1) Enter Ship...
2) Pick Up Box...
3) Leave Ship with Box...

... alive!

Companions can assist you, should they be willing to put their lives at stake, too.

”It’s in your hands...Good luck!”

Scruffpuff posted:

I'm not saying they shouldn't get refunds. I'm saying I'm not gonna shed any tears if they don't.

Morphix posted:

I got curious as well and did some googling, looks like it's possible but one may need to update a tool?

https://forums.starcitizenbase.com/topic/7018-tutorial-getting-star-citizen-ships-into-3d-rendering-programs-with-pictures/

Kosumo posted:

I take back what I said about Chris, he obviously understands balance, he has a watch on either wrist.

Could any off you Photoshop wizards, add another seven or eight watches to him?

(On phone, could someone spot me a tax catte please)

Lord Stimperor posted:

Few things encapsulate CIG's barren imagination more than the design of that terminal UI. Yes, obviously in the future spacefaring societies that run around with Holoscreens on their wrist will return to command line interfaces for their customer-facing kiosks. And yes, certainly it'll display on top what file path that the terminal is accessing because that's totally information a customer would need. It's trying so hard at looking techy that it makes a mockery of the entire SF genre.


Edit: yes I know it's supposed to be paying a hommage to something. But the idea of CIG paying a tongue-in-cheek hommage as opposed to 'ripping off' or 'technobabbling' is not very credible. Paying hommage requires some level of self-awareness.

Amazing Zimmo posted:

https://twitter.com/Galactic_Kark/status/1047433910836219906


this is a person who no longer has friends

big nipples big life posted:

I'm leaving it up to the imagination. You can be any penis you want in the 'verse.

AlbieQuirky posted:

Other things that exist in the world, but do not need to be in Star Citizen:

- eczema
- bad toupées
- capital gains tax
- Nickelback
- hookworm
- solid floors
- functional doors
- ladies

EvilMerlin posted:

There is a huge difference between an A2A kill and you know... genocide right?

And not every A2A kill meant the pilot died. In fact most survived and were fighting the next day.

SPERMCUBE.ORG posted:

Why's it always gotta be Nazis with Star Citizens?