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canyoneer
Sep 13, 2005


I only have canyoneyes for you

stoko posted:

Most the serious MTG players I've met seem to think KMC makes the best sleeves with Dragon Shield up there too. The other benefits to KMC sleeves are that they're reasonably priced (~$10 for 100) and work well for double-sleeving if that's your thing.

I grabbed a couple packs since I can't have both my hero and villain decks in the same color sleeves :spergin:

If Destiny is my only chance to use the rad FFG art sleeves I don't think I can miss that opportunity

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canyoneer
Sep 13, 2005


I only have canyoneyes for you
Is this game playable and fun for two players with one copy of each starter?

canyoneer
Sep 13, 2005


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Admiral Joeslop posted:

How do you differentiate them in a list? Dicemasters uses acronyms for heroes, and Warmachine uses something similar.

In LOTR the implied sub is the sphere (Lore, Leadership, or Fellowship).
In the online deck list creators it's made pretty obvious because the color of the text is different.

canyoneer fucked around with this message at 17:02 on Dec 19, 2016

canyoneer
Sep 13, 2005


I only have canyoneyes for you

Dr. Clockwork posted:

FFG is decent about replacement parts, maybe it would be worth a shot to call or email them and see if they'd be willing to replace the defective die?

Their response to people getting defected, misprinted or mismatched dice has been to send a new random sealed booster pack

http://parts.asmodeena.com/about.php

canyoneer
Sep 13, 2005


I only have canyoneyes for you
My local store got a bunch of boxes yesterday and sold them all in 20 minutes.
This launch is pretty bungled, especially in context of how much promotion and prerelease buzz they did.

canyoneer
Sep 13, 2005


I only have canyoneyes for you
https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2016/12/23/were-not-done-yet/

Q1 Destiny Prize Kit is online. Love that alt art Kylo Ren

canyoneer
Sep 13, 2005


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I'm trying to pull together a little list based on what I have from 12 boosters for a Thursday night event.

I have both starters, Rebel Trooper, Admiral Ackbar, General Grievous, Diplomatic Immunity, Thermal Detonator, Flamethrower, Gaffi Stick, 2x Scout, and Force Training, Infantry Grenades and Holdout Blaster.

The deck idea I'm kicking around is either Grievous+eKylo or Grievous+Kylo+FO Stormtrooper. I think this gets me the most dice out on the field. Ackbar is great too with eRey and Rebel Trooper, but I find that I don't have enough legal stuff to add as attachments to get enough damage out there.

Is Kylo Ren ever worth not running elite? Am I better off with ekylo+grievous or Grievous+Kylo+Stormtrooper?

canyoneer
Sep 13, 2005


I only have canyoneyes for you
I like 3 upgrades. I like the idea that a First Order Stormtrooper is holding a rifle in both hands, hackey-sacking an infantry grenade towards the enemy, and firing off the holdout blaster with their teeth.

canyoneer
Sep 13, 2005


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It does indeed make the hate flow through you

canyoneer
Sep 13, 2005


I only have canyoneyes for you

Finster Dexter posted:

Well, you're gonna have to clench your buttcheecks a bit more because there really isn't going to be any stock for another week or two.

Yep. My local store says they are being quoted by distribution for product delivery on Jan 12. Maybe we'll see something like that timeline for the big online retailers

canyoneer
Sep 13, 2005


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BJPaskoff posted:

I guess I don't understand business, because if I was Mr. FFG I'd be telling people to sell the product as soon as they get it so my game doesn't crash and burn. It's frustrating to only have four of us able to play right now because nobody can get so much as a starter deck. I hesitate to hype the game up too much because people just laugh at it when they hear it's going to take two more weeks for them to own anything for it.

They blew the launch, for sure.
Either grossly underestimated demand, or overestimated the ability for manufacturing to pull through for them, or both. Not quite Nintendo NES Classic levels of bad, but in the neighborhood of the Wii launch.

The street date stuff is purely anti-secondary market.
If you're FFG, you really hate scalpers.
Say a scalper buys a starter pack at MSRP for $15 and resells it for $30 to someone who desperately wanted it. If the secondary market buyer was willing to spend $30, and were able to buy stuff at MSRP, he might have bought 2 starters or a starter and 5 boosters. That $15 profit that went to the scalper could have been redirected into other SWD products, other FFG products, or other Asmodee hobby products instead.
It's still a failure on their end, because they can't get enough product out there. Their only choice to mitigate it is synchronized releases.

In other news, we had a store event here with the Q1 kit, 27 players. A Padme mill deck went undefeated to take first place. Second place was a dude with 3 stormtroopers and Veers maybe?

canyoneer
Sep 13, 2005


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By "next wave" they mean "restock of Awakenings" though, right?

canyoneer
Sep 13, 2005


I only have canyoneyes for you

Finster Dexter posted:

Yeah, I'm aware, it's just that my brain is used to processing "wave" differently wrt to FFG Star Wars (and I assume the same is true for canyoneer)

:same:

canyoneer
Sep 13, 2005


I only have canyoneyes for you
https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2017/1/11/spirit-of-rebellion/

28 point ePalpatine looks crazy, as does Force Lightning.

canyoneer
Sep 13, 2005


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HidaO-Win posted:

Turbo offense one man band, though I wonder would one dice palpatine with a supporter be a better deck, if the dark side gets a nine point guardian I can see it.

Stormtrooper with Personal Escort, I guess? Better hope you can mulligan for that one!

canyoneer
Sep 13, 2005


I only have canyoneyes for you
ePalpatine with a starting hand including Sith Holocron and Force Lightning has a chance to deal up to 14 damage on the first turn of the game. :eyepop:

canyoneer
Sep 13, 2005


I only have canyoneyes for you


R2-D2 Support? Obi Wan Kenobi? Maz?

canyoneer
Sep 13, 2005


I only have canyoneyes for you
http://m.ebay.com/itm/282323239102?_mwBanner=1

$53 bid for 5 resource tokens :stare:

canyoneer
Sep 13, 2005


I only have canyoneyes for you
Just dropped in a new store nearby that hit up the local FB group hard about how they've got a bunch of starters in stock. I came in to buy one of each as a gift, and the owner is chatting me up and tellling me about all the upcoming events and whatever.
Time to check out, he said "so I'm selling these for $20 each". I balked and said, in that case let's just get one of them.
He hemmed and hawed, and looked over at his well stocked display and said, "I guess I have a lot, I can do $15 each if you want both"

Thanks for selling me product at MSRP, guy.
This game is making people crazy

canyoneer
Sep 13, 2005


I only have canyoneyes for you
I just wanna crack a box or two and put together something fun based on what's inside. But I can't find a box or two yet :(

They've got to keep reprinting awakenings for a while. The game is going to suffer if they dont

canyoneer
Sep 13, 2005


I only have canyoneyes for you
Went to an event tonight at the $20 starter set store I was complaining about. I went because the EV was good, my dudes.

Guy said he was putting up an OP kit, 2 starters to the winner, and 4 more starters in a random raffle. 8 people showed up. :laugh:

I brought all the fury that 2 starter boxes and 12 booster packs could muster, building a villain deck with literally all the possible dice I could bring.
Grievous/Kylo/Stormtrooper.
I got rolled in my fist game vs eJango and 2 troopers. Grievous literally never did damage, and I was able to kill Jango before the guy's two undamaged Stormtroopers cleaned up my last dude.
Second game was Qui Gon and Rey. Qui Gon is gnarly, and these two just dunked on me until I was completely shut out, one damage away from killing Rey and with Qui Gon at full health (and shields, of course). Dude commented that I didn't have very many dice in my deck, and suggested I add more. I told him that he was looking at all the dice I own that could legally be included. Oh.
Third game was against the only other 0-2, a dragged-along girlfriend with a borrowed eKylo/2x Nightsister deck. This was her 6th game ever, and she's never played a CCG before. We went to time, and I managed to kill Kylo Ren and a Nightsister while losing just my Stormtrooper (with a ton of damage on my own Kylo). To the tiebreaker, we both had 17 damage done. Second tiebreaker, I had 5 more cards in my draw deck so I actually logged a win :toot:
Left with a TIE fighter promo card, and won a raffle for a Kylo Ren starter set. Good deal for a $5 entry fee.

Those 3 games were also the least fun Destiny games I've ever played. Turns out when your deck is greatly outmatched by people who have been able to buy product, it's not as much fun to play them. It probably wasn't much fun for the first two dudes to wail on me either.

I'm hesitant to buy any singles on the secondary market right now, because the singles prices really feel inflated due to the lack of available sealed boosters.

canyoneer
Sep 13, 2005


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evenworse username posted:

I am just getting into this and basically need more cards before I can start thinking about building a proper deck, but just in general would Leia/Padme or Qui-Gonn/Rey work at all? Obviously the second option has the problem of being blue only.

http://swdestinydb.com/decklist/view/5978/neverforattack-qui-gonnreydeckofallthings-1.0

Oh yeah, to Rey/QuiGon. I saw it in action last night and it was pretty gnarly. Qui Gon spent the entire game with 3 shields, and was just doling out damage every time he resolved a shield die. Gnarly stuff.

canyoneer
Sep 13, 2005


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fozzy fosbourne posted:

There are boxes in stock at boardgamebliss right now. I've read that people aren't supposed to sell their stock until the 19th, tomorrow.

Yussss ordered some, finally getting stuff at a decent price.

Also, on singles prices, it's gotta fall out.

Just going off of Miniature Market prices, because I have no other available proxy.
A box has 6 legendaries, 30 rares. Retail price is $108 (36 packs at $3).
Legendaries are priced from $12 (Black One) to $48 (Darth Vader)
If you pulled an average distribution of uniques with no duplicates, you'd get 6 legendaries worth $24 each, meaning you've got $144 in your box of just legendaries.
Even if you pulled the 6 cheapest legendaries, you're still sitting on $95 worth of legendaries.
Oh, yeah, and you'll also get 30 other rares, ranging from $0.50 (BB8, Rey's Staff) to $17 (holdout blaster).
This high EV has got to be driven by lack of availability of product.

canyoneer
Sep 13, 2005


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fozzy fosbourne posted:

I wonder how long they will keep distributing Awakenings for, too. I've read rumors about 4 waves but have FFG said anything officially? I wonder if Awakenings will be available for a year or so. I'm also imagine they have to be thinking about a limited format, since they've gone out of their way to try and make it work with their LCGs and it seems like a really lucrative part of a CCG. Maybe they will make a new type of pack that is like a sealed/draft starter to bootstrap a limited pool.

I feel like Awakenings has got to get reprinted through 2017. I mean, cmon, they have to. That said, based on the reddit rumors, I think this next wave of Awakenings boosters will be all we see for at least a couple months as it gets reprinted, and that we'll see Spirit of Rebellion in April.

canyoneer
Sep 13, 2005


I only have canyoneyes for you
Between Destiny, X-Wing, Netrunner, and the upcoming Legend of the Five Rings LCG reboot FFG is printing money these days.
I wonder if their Rune Wars minis game will be any good

canyoneer
Sep 13, 2005


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Someone posted that on Reddit yesterday from their Asmodee rep.

canyoneer
Sep 13, 2005


I only have canyoneyes for you
Quick check on the Star Wars LCG decklist shows there are 230 unique, named characters as cards there, though a lot of those are EU.
I mean, 6 of them are Darth Vaders and 6 are Luke Skywalkers, so there are duplicates within that would be subtitled but you get the idea.

Look at Imperial Assault for more generic mooks too. Royal Guards, Imperial Officers, Bantha Riders, Rebel Commandos, etc.

They're going to have no problem filling out characters.

canyoneer
Sep 13, 2005


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Finster Dexter posted:

I'd like to see a lot more support cards, vehicles and ships and whatnot, even if they are by-design sub optimal because they require extra actions to activate those dice.

Yeah, and we could see something like Squad Tactics for supports/vehicles that let you activate a bunch at once, either as a character ability or an event.

canyoneer
Sep 13, 2005


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It's weird what's a starter and included as starter-only, and what shows up in a starter deck as a rare that can be pulled in a pack.

You want two copies of Force Throw? Want Elite Finn? Buy two Rey starters.
Now you've got two copies of BB8 and two copies of Rey's Staff, so you can just throw those duds away when you get those in a booster.

canyoneer
Sep 13, 2005


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Finster Dexter posted:

In Star Wars, there's a character for everybody and everybody has a character.

And even the background characters are secretly super important

canyoneer
Sep 13, 2005


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http://swdestinydb.com/decklist/view/6390/frommoncalamariwithlove-1.0

I really like the idea of this decklist. eAckbar and two Rebel Troopers, and guns guns guns guns.

I also like the idea of using It's A Trap! with an Ackbar deck.
There's only a single (optional) legendary in that deck, I already have the two most expensive cards (Holdout Blasters), so I bet I can put the rest of it together on the cheap. Maybe this will be the deck I chill with for a while until supply issues are settled out.

canyoneer
Sep 13, 2005


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ShowTime posted:

This whole unavailable Awakenings debacle makes me wonder how bad that Amazon mistake was. Potentially thousands of extra boxes were shipped to customers. Who knows how wide spread that issue was. There were some people that got up to 10 boxes that should have been booster packs. Tons of people got 3 boxes, because they were sold in sets of 3 at a limit of 3 per customer. I can't imagine how many people who never said anything or posted anything and just pocketed their extra product. I'm wondering if they made enough to last for a long time and that stock got massively depleted by an Amazon mistake.

That probably had some effect because it encourages the people who lucked out to sit on them like a dragon hoard, but I'm pretty sure that there were going to be shortages no matter what.

Here's a story from a local dude, that happened last week:

quote:

I played in my first Destiny tournament last night and I got a pretty bad one. I was killed by what was possibly the fastest Crime Lord possible. He was playing eJabba with Dooku.
Action 1: Sith Holocron on Jabba
Action 2: Rolled Jabba hitting two resources and a +1 resource modifier
And here was where I joked, "you have enough for Crime Lord now" thinking he would just play it normally.
Action 3: he says "well, I've always wanted to try this," and plays Ace in the Hole discarding Crime Lord. Naturally he rolls the special.
Action 4: he resolves Crime Lord on my elite Luke.
So I basically didn't get to play that game.
:xcom:

canyoneer
Sep 13, 2005


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My local facebook group just had an argument about whether when a card instructs you to reroll an opponent's die, whether you're allowed to physically touch it.

Turns out some people are big dumb babies about DONT TOUCH MY ANIMES, STEVEN YOU'RE NOT EVEN MY REAL DAD and get all pissy about it.
I wish I knew who those people were, and could play a Grievous aggro deck against them :haw:

canyoneer
Sep 13, 2005


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I ordered 4 boxes from BoardGameBliss and a local dude said he'd pay $140 per box.
I think I'd rather have $140 than the box at this point.

canyoneer
Sep 13, 2005


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ShowTime posted:

You'll get more opening it and selling it. Even to MiniatureMarket/CoolStuffInc. I sold a bunch of junk to them and made more money that way then if I had sold them on Ebay, after taking into account fees and shipping. There is something to be said about $140 cash in hand with no work involved though.

They were paying $9 for Launch Bay, which is great when they are about that on Ebay. They had crazy prices on IQA rifles and every pistol, from Holdout to DH-17 and DL-44. Taking into account time, shipping, and fees, it was just a better deal to sell to them. After selling all my extra stuff to them or on Ebay, I still have the following that has essentially been paid for off the profits of those sells (and i'm even counting the 2x boxes I bought from BoardGameBliss):

2x Darth Vader, 2x Luke Skywalker, 2x Han Solo, 2x Poe Dameron, 2x One With the Force, 2x Commanding Presence, 2x Thermal Detonator, 2x Kylo Ren's Lightsaber, 2x Luke Skywalkers's Lightsaber, 2x Black One, 2x Captain Phasma, 1x Force Choke and 1x Millennium Falcon and 2x of every rare, uncommon, common and starter card, with the exception of General Grievous and Qui-Gon Jinn, which I only have 1 of.

You're not kidding.
Crack open a Rey starter set, with Miniature Market's buy list prices:
Rey - $0.50
Finn - $1
Force Throw - $7
Lightsaber - $2.50
Use The Force - $2.50

You're at $13.50 right there. :lol:

Ay carumba the singles prices are jumping right now for a lot of things in the last week.

Any interest in setting up a goon TTS league?

canyoneer
Sep 13, 2005


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fozzy fosbourne posted:

I think Chinese New Year is pretty universal for manufacturing.

Yeah, I did a lot of research on it for an old job. In the gloomy factory towns, almost everyone will just take the week off anyway.
If they get fired? Oh well, just get another job just like it when you get back.

I remember reading about how the big manufacturers will set up recruiting tents at the train station when people are returning from the holiday, and that some of them will do 90% of their hiring for the year during the 2 weeks following the holiday.

I'm also thinking that the requirements for the custom die probably make it so they can't just find a factory from a catalog.

canyoneer
Sep 13, 2005


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Yoink! Looks like they don't pay duties for you like BoardGameBliss does, so my cost basis on these is going to be ~$90 or so rather than ~$84 from the BGB order.

canyoneer
Sep 13, 2005


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ShowTime posted:

Eh? It looks like they did for mine. To NC for me was $254, which is under $85 a box.

Here's what I'm going off of.
BGB says that the price that US customers pay (in CAD) is the final price, taxes and duties fully included. They also say that if you get charged a duty, take a photo of the customs/duty receipt and they'll refund that to you.
401games says in their shipping FAQ for US customers:

quote:

For American orders we offer a flat rate of $11.95 to all American addresses. You will be responsible the payment of any customs taxes and/or duties/fees.
So if US CBP decides you need to pay a duty for the import, that'll be your responsibility to pay.

Some dude on Reddit said that if you order 2 or less, you won't need to pay duty on the import.
A bunch of comments beneath it said the guy was totally wrong, so who knows?

canyoneer
Sep 13, 2005


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ShowTime posted:

I saw the same reddit post and looked into it more. It looked like there were no duties on up to $800 of goods.

Edit: I sent them an email to ask. If there will be duties i'll change the order to just 2 boxes to hopefully avoid them.

Edit 2: They responded super quick and said the law has been changed to $800 now. Should be good to go.

Yahoo, glad to hear it. Thanks for looking into it

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canyoneer
Sep 13, 2005


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Are the only cards that remove Supports so far Surgical Strike and the AT-ST special?

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