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Paul Verhoeven, the crazy Dutch time traveler was too good for Hollywood and has gone back to making independent Dutch movies. We can talk about those, but more importantly, we need to revere his amazing Hollywood movies. The best movie ever made: Robocop, plus other greats like Total Recall, Showgirls, Basic Instinct and motherfucking Starship Troopers. What more can be said? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbCbwP6ibR4
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how come the trailer has the terminator theme
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Dec 3, 2016 04:44
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Robocop is my all time favorite film. I could watch it forever. I feel bad because I haven't watched anything he made before Robocop or after Hallow Man I am a betrayer and a coward.
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Dec 3, 2016 04:56
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Sharon Stone uncrossing her legs is the most iconic moment of the early 90s
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Dec 3, 2016 05:23
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FishBulb posted:I feel bad because I haven't watched anything he made before Robocop or after Hallow Man
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Dec 3, 2016 05:25
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Robocop, Starship Troopers, and Total Recall are amazing movies. Hollow Man is complete garbage. I have not seen Showgirls or Basic Instinct.
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Dec 3, 2016 05:26
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Coaaab posted:will his new french film come around to your theater? it's p drat good Hahahaha. A French film come to a theater near me? That's a good one man!
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Dec 3, 2016 05:34
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He really knew how to film a really ugly face dying.  
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Dec 3, 2016 07:42
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what he did to starship troopers was a top troll and its a great film
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Dec 3, 2016 07:57
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I love Starship Troopers more than Robocop, and I like Total Recall more than Robocop. Starship Troopers has so much overt contempt for the source material yet there are lots of people to this day who are not aware it's a movie that's dripping with beat-you-over-the-head obvious satire and disdain for fascist military wankery. Total Recall is just good. I think Verhoeven is at his best when he's loosely adapting sci fi literature
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Dec 3, 2016 08:16
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robocop is a perfect film. see it in the theatre if you can
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Dec 3, 2016 08:23
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I don't think Showgirls was that bad
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Dec 3, 2016 09:06
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I saw Starship Troopers and Robocop for the first time in New Zealand with a local. He's never been to America before, but I'm fairly certain he has a particular impression of what America is like from watching those movies.
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Dec 3, 2016 09:39
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PianolasonMars posted:I saw Starship Troopers and Robocop for the first time in New Zealand with a local. He's never been to America before, but I'm fairly certain he has a particular impression of what America is like from watching those movies. I went to the US on holiday once, and while I'm sure being there during Veterans' Day had a lot to do with it, everyone's reverence towards the military really did feel like Starship Troopers.
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Dec 3, 2016 12:22
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Paul Verhoeven is one of my favorite directors based on just Starship Troopers, Total Recall and Robocop. I haven't dared watch Showgirls yet, it's supposed to be one of the worst films ever or something and I don't want Verhoeven ruined for me. (I've managed to forget everything about Hollow man). Part of me still want to see it in the faint hope that it's a misunderstood gem of a film that was just released on an audience that wasn't ready for that kind of cinema magic.
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Dec 3, 2016 22:57
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Hollow Man(2000) never gets any love.
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Dec 3, 2016 23:00
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showgirls is a great movie actually
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Dec 3, 2016 23:07
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I once saw Paul at a BFI screen talk a couple of months ago, it was loving great!
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Dec 3, 2016 23:10
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Tenzarin posted:Hollow Man(2000) never gets any love. Because it is a bad movie.
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Dec 3, 2016 23:19
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vyelkin posted:Because it is a bad movie. That's some good appreciation!
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Dec 3, 2016 23:28
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kjetting posted:Paul Verhoeven is one of my favorite directors based on just Starship Troopers, Total Recall and Robocop. Showgirls owns
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Dec 4, 2016 07:25
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Total Recall rules. So does Starship Troopers, but everything about Total Recall rules slightly more so it wins.
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Dec 4, 2016 07:48
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basic hitler posted:I love Starship Troopers more than Robocop, and I like Total Recall more than Robocop. Starship Troopers has so much overt contempt for the source material yet there are lots of people to this day who are not aware it's a movie that's dripping with beat-you-over-the-head obvious satire and disdain for fascist military wankery. Verhoeven on the source material: "I stopped after two chapters because it was so boring,...It is really quite a bad book. I asked Ed Neumeier to tell me the story because I just couldn't read the thing. It's a very right-wing book." I saw Robocop when I was really young and just remember being shocked at the level of violence. Robocop rules.
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Dec 4, 2016 09:02
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Also agree that Showgirls is very good. Definitely did not enjoy it as much as Starship Troopers, but it has the same quality of the actors seemingly not being in on the joke.
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Dec 4, 2016 13:22
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Can anybody sell me on Showgirls? Because I've seen Robocop, Total Recall, Starship Troopers, and Hollow Man and it seems like 3 out of 4 is pretty good and will old Paul make it 4 out of 5?!
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Dec 4, 2016 17:10
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Hollow Man was my first Verhooverman movie and I'm glad I didn't know he directed it because I probably would've not really sought any of his other movies out. Then again, my dad was the one who showed me Robocop and Total Recall and I doubt he knows the same guy directed both. I guess what I'm saying is that I'm glad cultural forces pushed those two movies in front of my eyeballs in the form of edited-for-TV presentations and that my dad would stop on them and go, "Oh yeah, this is a good one." E. quote:In 2013, Verhoeven remarked to The Hollywood Reporter: "I decided after Hollow Man, this is a movie, the first movie that I made that I thought I should not have made. It made money and this and that, but it really is not me anymore. I think many other people could have done that. I don't think many people could have made RoboCop that way, or either Starship Troopers. But Hollow Man, I thought there might have been 20 directors in Hollywood who could have done that. I felt depressed with myself after 2002." 
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Dec 4, 2016 17:15
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N. Senada posted:Hollow Man was my first Verhooverman movie and I'm glad I didn't know he directed it because I probably would've not really sought any of his other movies out. I think it has a good balance of story and action scenes. I also didn't learn for along time it was directed by him also because there was no gory violent death scenes.
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Dec 4, 2016 23:04
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There's a good classic Rutger Hauer film Flesh+Blood which was verhoeven and european as gently caress.
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Dec 4, 2016 23:07
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Basic Instinct is his most underappreciated film in retrospect. It was basically his only serious attempt to recreate his earlier Dutch erotic thrillers and it's absolutely fantastically written, acted, paced, filmed, etc. I love all of his subversive, Hollywood trolling films as well, especially Starship Troopers and Total Recall, but Basic Instinct really should get its due as a serious erotic thriller that, unfortunately, spawned a bunch of lovely follow-ons like Sliver and so on (which is surprising, in Sliver's case, since Noyce is talented). Also, just because of the era, it has some unintentionally funny scenes, like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeeO94bvQOA I love that even in that scene he's sort of previewing both his campy Showgirls sensibility and his desire to troll socially conservative Americans with a vision of Euro-Gomorrah (keep in mind that scene is from about a quarter century ago).
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Dec 5, 2016 01:40
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this shameful thread has nary a single post about Elle, Paul V's best film hands down
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Dec 5, 2016 02:21
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not a single mention of Black Book? what the hell, watch Black Book nerds! it's a great war movie and it's Verhoeven as gently caress. plus it's on Netflix streaming right now!
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Dec 5, 2016 04:26
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kjetting posted:Paul Verhoeven is one of my favorite directors based on just Starship Troopers, Total Recall and Robocop. If you watch Showgirls through the same lens you've seen Robocop and ST through, it's an immensely better movie People took it 100% serious when it came out and, I mean c'mon, it's a Verhoeven movie I don't think he's made a movie that wasn't tongue in cheek in some way
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Dec 5, 2016 05:48
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VikingSkull posted:If you watch Showgirls through the same lens you've seen Robocop and ST through, it's an immensely better movie It got the wrong type of hype on account of being NC-17. People weren't prepared for a goofy Verhoeven ride, it was all about the saved by the bell chick being in something explicit. If it came out today it'd be a solid R
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Dec 5, 2016 05:56
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I think Starship Troopers is my favorite movie of all time because it is thoroughly enjoyable on multiple levels of irony. It works as a straight-up alien massacre t&a gratuitous violence "popcorn" movie, it's great as a "bad" movie with unlikeable characters giving laughable deliveries of awful lines, it's a smart, effective, and terrific satire of fascism and propaganda, and it's an outright parody of the Heinlein novel. Robocop and Total Recall are really good too in most of the same ways, but I feel like Starship Troopers hits the sweet spot, I love it dearly. I don't know of any other films that can be appreciated on totally different levels of self-awareness like that, but if they're out there I wanna watch em.
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Dec 5, 2016 21:45
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Ralp posted:I think Starship Troopers is my favorite movie of all time because it is thoroughly enjoyable on multiple levels of irony. It works as a straight-up alien massacre t&a gratuitous violence "popcorn" movie, it's great as a "bad" movie with unlikeable characters giving laughable deliveries of awful lines, it's a smart, effective, and terrific satire of fascism and propaganda, and it's an outright parody of the Heinlein novel. Robocop and Total Recall are really good too in most of the same ways, but I feel like Starship Troopers hits the sweet spot, I love it dearly. I don't know of any other films that can be appreciated on totally different levels of self-awareness like that, but if they're out there I wanna watch em. Big Trouble in Little China is ostensibly a movie about a wisecracking hero and you can watch it like that but it's really about a bumbling and idiotic sidekick that can't do anything right. It works either way you choose to see it
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Dec 5, 2016 22:09
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Paul Verhoeven is a better director than James Cameron. Soldier of Orange is one of my favorites.
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Dec 6, 2016 10:18
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Panzeh posted:There's a good classic Rutger Hauer film Flesh+Blood which was verhoeven and european as gently caress. Yeah, caught this on late night TV over a decade ago and loved it and have been trying to track down a copy since. A definite watch for Verhoeven fans.
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Dec 6, 2016 11:05
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I really like Turkish Delight. The porny parts and the tragic parts feel like they're parts of two different movies (one dumb softporn movie and another movie about cancer, it's easy to imagine them as two entirely separate stories) but they somehow come together in a way that's really touching.
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Dec 6, 2016 17:24
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N. Senada posted:Can anybody sell me on Showgirls? FUCKFACE MORON fucked around with this message at 20:00 on Dec 6, 2016 |
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Dec 6, 2016 17:32
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Total Recall is and always will be incredible. Great forerunner to the "mind twisting action film" trend that The Matrix really kicked off (and better than the Matrix and any imitators imo)
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Dec 6, 2016 19:55
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