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Johnnie5
Oct 18, 2004
A Very Happy Robot
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Johnnie5
Oct 18, 2004
A Very Happy Robot

rkajdi posted:

Agreed. I have a lot less respect for civil liberties as they are defined, since they often are stilted so that the neutral position is incredibly regressive by default. And again, I don't see why entrusting anything to the hoi polloi without a democratic check seems like a good idea after we just saw how that resulted.

A jury is the democratic check you fuckwit.

Johnnie5
Oct 18, 2004
A Very Happy Robot

rkajdi posted:

No they aren't. It's only 12 people, and the lawyers immediately select out people who feel strongly about the issue or are similar to either side. It's the shittiest form of democracy, where anyone with an actual dog in the fight (or at least the ones who don't lie) or a level of education on the issue is selected out. Qualified professionals elected would do a better job by a long site.

I think the difference is I have zero faith in the average American to do anything other than gently caress things up when left to their own devices. So you don't give them the power where a single unpredictable person gets that much control over the government. We do this all the time with checks and balances in the government, so I don't understand why giving that much control to a rando with no checks is a good idea.

That bit about "lawyers selecting people out" is in fact a case of the "qualified professionals" being given extra power in the process. So I agree, more democracy would be good.

Johnnie5
Oct 18, 2004
A Very Happy Robot

stone cold posted:

Your math, like your ideas, is bad.

I don't see any math in that post, unless you are questioning the numbers themselves. Do have better figures on the IWW's historical membership totals, or how many people identified as Bolshevik's?

Johnnie5
Oct 18, 2004
A Very Happy Robot

Thug Lessons posted:

That should have been 12% of US industrial workers, (though admittedly not all at one time), and estimates of Bolshevik membership in February 1917 range from 20k-30k. Obviously those rose massively, especially following the July Days, but that's exactly my point!

stone cold posted:

IWW at its peak in 1917 totalled 150,000 members which is not 12% of the 1917 US population.

12% did seem high to me, thanks for the clarification.

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