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Okay! I'll be serious and start a new thread while I'm thinking about it! Journalism's been on a slide for a while; the likes of Gawker and BuzzFeed have done a very good job of slicing off the publishing arms of venerable newspapers and outlets while folks like Gannets continue to buy out holdings, not to mention smaller holding groups like Community Newspaper Holdings or Shaw Media creating holdings over every small paper possible. There's the disaster that was patch.com, along with sites like Everyblock, which doesn't involve journalists at all, but is used by them for local news! Journalism in America is in hell, given allegations of fake news, stilted news, ignored news, and otherwise crappy news every single day. It's in a bad place and has been for a while. that's my intro, take it from here Victory Position has issued a correction as of 06:19 on Dec 11, 2016 |
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i have had a hard time coming up with actual policy solutions to this that aren't enacting standards and censoring what we allow on the internet and i think i am ideologically opposed to that? i mean i am pretty sure i cared about that a lot a month ago...
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Dec 11, 2016 06:18
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The manufactured "fake news" narrative is a power grab by HRC and salty liberal losers to attempt to censor the internet, while at the same time bolstering and empowering right-wing distrust of the mainstream media. They should refer to the first amendment.
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Dec 11, 2016 06:28
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Murder She Twote posted:The manufactured "fake news" narrative is a power grab by HRC and salty liberal losers to attempt to censor the internet, while at the same time bolstering and empowering right-wing distrust of the mainstream media. They should refer to the first amendment.
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Dec 11, 2016 06:32
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Murder She Twote posted:The manufactured "fake news" narrative is a power grab by HRC and salty liberal losers to attempt to censor the internet, while at the same time bolstering and empowering right-wing distrust of the mainstream media. They should refer to the first amendment. Nah
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Dec 11, 2016 06:34
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Murder She Twote posted:The manufactured "fake news" narrative is a power grab by HRC and salty liberal losers to attempt to censor the internet, while at the same time bolstering and empowering right-wing distrust of the mainstream media. They should refer to the first amendment. Not quite. But there does seem to be something interesting about the sudden concern of "fake news" and who is most concerned about it. IMO, it's a way for the current media conglomerate's to get some kind of de jure instead of de facto status over more independent observers. You can see this in action when you look at the white house press corp. While technically everyone is "allowed" to ask the President questions, only a select few will be given the opportunity. Preferential Access = money and media will do anything they can to keep that access, including passing carefully worded "policies" that preserve their status and exclude those that are deemed "fake."
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Dec 11, 2016 06:43
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if Hillary had won and republicans were complaining about "fake news" we'd be making fun of them so hard right now
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Dec 11, 2016 07:40
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the right was like 'we're gonna have our news be entertainment' and the dems were like 'we're gonna have our entertainment be news' and the right was like 'we can do that too assholes'
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Dec 11, 2016 07:54
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Trumps Baby Hands posted:if Hillary had won and republicans were complaining about "fake news" we'd be making fun of them so hard right now hmm maybe everything does have a direct equivalency
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Dec 11, 2016 09:10
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crazy idea here but how about we educate our citizens so they can distinguish "fake" news instead of attempting to censor news
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Scionix posted:crazy idea here but how about we educate our citizens so they can distinguish "fake" news instead of attempting to censor news
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Dec 11, 2016 09:17
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Fortunately, President Donald J. Trump is abolishing the outdated institution of journalism by giving all Americans access to a mainline injection of pure truth.
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Dec 11, 2016 09:33
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Scionix posted:crazy idea here but how about we educate our citizens so they can distinguish "fake" news instead of attempting to censor news Who's censoring what?
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Dec 11, 2016 09:38
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Hillary wants to censor the internet, says latest Breitbart News article
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Dec 11, 2016 09:41
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Cut the crap! If you're immortal, why would you take away individual freedoms and censor the Net?
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logikv9 posted:Hillary wants to censor the internet, says latest Breitbart News article 
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Bip Roberts posted:Who's censoring what? they censor news in europe, but here not so much thankfully. Tho lol hillery wants to take away our news AND our guns
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Dec 11, 2016 10:07
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gawker getting hosed hard by silicon vampire was kinda censorship? I dunno. imo they shouldn't have been hosed up like that rolling stone maga zine is getting hosed too dunno how to feel about that one tho
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Dec 11, 2016 10:08
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Bip Roberts posted:Who's censoring what? publications are calling for blacklisting certain sources of news i.e. breitbart/wikileaks/drudge report/ et cetera. no I do not read breitbart. for example, this piece of garbage: https://www.washingtonpost.com/busi...98fe_story.html Scionix has issued a correction as of 10:19 on Dec 11, 2016 |
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Dec 11, 2016 10:16
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Scionix posted:crazy idea here but how about we educate our citizens so they can distinguish "fake" news instead of attempting to censor news That is a whole other thread about how we engage in critical pedagogy in a world where education isn't a public good. I would start that thread if I wasn't on the job market and I didn't think it would depress me so much that I just watch Netflix until I get evicted.
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Dec 11, 2016 10:19
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Trumps Baby Hands posted:if Hillary had won and republicans were complaining about "fake news" we'd be making fun of them so hard right now People have been talking about the rights epistemological bubble for ages, Colbert said reality has a well-known liberal bias 10 years ago
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Dec 11, 2016 10:20
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Trumps Baby Hands posted:if Hillary had won and republicans were complaining about "fake news" we'd be making fun of them so hard right now But they say it about news that is backed by research so, um, they aren't the same thing maybe I don't know huh.
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Dec 11, 2016 10:34
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"research" and "polling"
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Dec 11, 2016 10:35
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hm so step 1 make education a public good but we're gonna need a lot in between step 0 and step 1. like step 0.420 restore faith in institutions
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Dec 11, 2016 10:37
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blamegame posted:hm so step 1 make education a public good yah. it's tough!
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Dec 11, 2016 10:55
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gently caress institutions other than the military!
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Dec 11, 2016 11:04
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its tough to be like 'institutions own' after so many of them fail spectacularly at the same time and they fail partly because they don't seem to be able to understand people's hatred and mistrust of them. at the same time you kind of need them for civilization so i don't know
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Dec 11, 2016 11:08
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yeah, we should probably have public education. and it should probably be good. vote for me.
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Dec 11, 2016 11:19
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communist back in my day, we were taught one thing - how to pull up your bootstraps some of us could pull so hard, we could just fly around it's how neil armstrong landed on the moon MERIKA
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Dec 11, 2016 11:21
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Frail Grasp on the Big Picture
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Dec 11, 2016 11:24
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primary propaganda unit: those other guys are liars. don't listen to them. listen to me
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Dec 11, 2016 12:02
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be the news you want to see in the world make it happen people
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Given that the "real" news was actively complicit in selling the public on the war in Iraq, completely overlooked the financial crisis, and largely abandoned serious reporting for access journalism it's not entirely clear why stories about the Pope endorsing Donald Trump are the moment when suddenly Liberals became alarmed. Oh, unless you think it's just partisan whining mixed with a healthy dose of neo-McCarthyism. So many complaints about how Donald Trump won this election come off as a 2-pack a day smoker suddenly getting very concerned about his new lung cancer diagnosis and asking what can be done about it. The media lost people's trust over several decades, the Democrats failed to actually improve people's lives during their 8 years in the White House, and the Clinton campaign spent its massive campaign war chest very inefficiently (too much TV, not enough voter registration).
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Dec 11, 2016 16:05
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Absolute freedom of the internet has had its time, I expect we'll see tighter control over internet content and filtering out certain types of websites/information in the near future
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Dec 11, 2016 16:29
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the filters have been running hot for years now
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Murder She Twote posted:The manufactured "fake news" narrative is a power grab by HRC and salty liberal losers to attempt to censor the internet, while at the same time bolstering and empowering right-wing distrust of the mainstream media. They should refer to the first amendment. Fake news is basically being created by teenagers in foreign countries to spam through Facebook so they can get the revenue from clickthroughs from Google. Getting 60 grand a year for posting poo poo to Facebook goes a long way in Macedonia. quote:The most successful post BuzzFeed News found from a Macedonian site is based on a story from a fake news website. The headline on the story from ConservativeState.com was “Hillary Clinton In 2013: ‘I Would Like To See People Like Donald Trump Run For Office; They’re Honest And Can’t Be Bought.’” The post is a week old and has racked up an astounding 480,000 shares, reactions, and comments on Facebook. (To put that into perspective, the New York Times’ exclusive story that revealed Donald Trump declared a $916 million loss on his 1995 income tax returns generated a little more than 175,000 Facebook interactions in a month.) Remember, part of the reason why fake news on Facebook got way the gently caress more prevalent is because Zuckerberg fired the entire team responsible for curating the sidebar trending news. Party Plane Jones has issued a correction as of 16:35 on Dec 11, 2016 |
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Dec 11, 2016 16:32
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All news is fake since all news is inherently yellow journalism.
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Dec 11, 2016 16:34
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As soon as torrent sites started falling like dominoes, I figured the internet's days as the wild west were numbered.
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Fidel Castronaut posted:As soon as torrent sites started falling like dominoes, I figured the internet's days as the wild west were numbered.
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Sure, there's more of a monetary incentive but it still indicates that an internet that used to be just a free-for-all is no longer that. And there are economic pressures for tamping down on some of it. 4chan is unprofitable because no credible company wants to advertise with them. Reddit has very slowly been trying to make itself appear more respectable to investors by banning r/jailbait, then r/fatpeoplehate, and probably r/The_Donald eventually. Those sites are major vectors for the spread of unmitigated bullshit "journalism."
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