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Whatever else the dude is his last few films (can expand on this thought re: Hateful Eight) have been radically progressive compared to the sociopolitically (and literally) bloodless stuff that often comes out of modern Hollywood, and he does it while writing entertaining characters and neat action scenes and all that stuff that keeps enabling him to get away with making mainstream movies. Do you agree? Anybody wanna talk about QT, lovely QT knockoffs from the 90s/early 2000s, or womens' feet?
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Tarantino fascinates me as a cultural icon. I'm a big fan of his films, but there's no denying that he just barrels headlong into the taboo and the risky. His work is often calculated for maximum discomfort, but, and maybe this is my own privileged perspective talking, it seems like he's sincerely trying to say something important about race and white complacency. On the other hand, he drops N-bombs a lot and it comes across as a little indulgent. But yes, his unflinching and unapologetic eye for the brutality of racial hatred is something that seems to be a welcome departure from the sanitized, anodyne white guilt of more restrained filmmakers. I'm curious how POC feel about his work here on the ol' forums.
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Dec 14, 2016 18:16
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One place where I think he legitimately went too far was in casting himself in Pulp Fiction in a role that basically only exists to say racial slurs like fifty times
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Dec 14, 2016 18:19
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I enjoy Tarantino's movies a lot
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Dec 14, 2016 19:36
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hateful eight was pretty boring to me. i like the rest pretty well
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mary had a little clam posted:Tarantino fascinates me as a cultural icon. I'm a big fan of his films, but there's no denying that he just barrels headlong into the taboo and the risky. His work is often calculated for maximum discomfort, but, and maybe this is my own privileged perspective talking, it seems like he's sincerely trying to say something important about race and white complacency. On the other hand, he drops N-bombs a lot and it comes across as a little indulgent. 2 Poc is dead, man, you gotta let him go
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yo mamma a Horus posted:hateful eight was pretty boring to me. i like the rest pretty well It's quite long for something that's mostly just a character study about eight (actual number may vary) unpleasant people framed by some beautiful western cinematography, but I also like it Like Inglourious Basterds it feels like a more thematically complicated movie than some of his earlier stuff that mostly just seemed to be having fun or paying homage; he seems like a director who's really found a voice It's cool to think maybe he's still working up to his best movie!
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Dec 14, 2016 21:03
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Hector Beerlioz posted:2 Poc is dead, man, you gotta let him go Nah... He's busy making the most transcendent hip hop collaboration album ever conceived with Elvis in the basement of the Pentagon. I just know it!!
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Dec 14, 2016 22:24
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Only Tarantino I didn't care for much was Reservoir Dogs. 
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Egbert Souse posted:Only Tarantino I didn't care for much was Reservoir Dogs. Huh, did you not enjoy all the French New Wave references or something? e: it's gonna take me a bit to get used to your new av...what was the film the old one was from? You mentioned it a while ago and I put it on the list to watch and have since lost that list.
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Hector Beerlioz posted:Huh, did you not enjoy all the French New Wave references or something? Eh, I just didn't enjoy it much. Death Proof is my next least favorite, but I like the rest of his films a lot. I think Jackie Brown and Inglourious Basterds are his two best films so far. Not getting the hate for Hateful Eight. Old av was from Parajanov's Shadows of Forgotten Ancestors. Kind of random. New one is from one of my favorite cartoons, Nasty Quacks, which was one of the last Looney Tunes Frank Tashlin directed.
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Dec 15, 2016 02:42
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Inglorious Basterds owns
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I remember one interview with Inglourious Basterds' cast where they called it "jewish revenge porn". Django is my other favorite one. Both are great and ballsy considering the subject matter. I should watch Django again.
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Dec 15, 2016 10:04
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Tarantino films are pretty good I dont see why you would smear him as "progressive".
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Killer Low Life posted:Inglorious Basterds owns Yea. I wasn't as crazy about Django because I thought it was a lot more conventional in some ways but IB is probably my favorite film of his. The guy who said IB and Jackie Brown are best is right FedEx Mercury posted:Tarantino films are pretty good I dont see why you would smear him as "progressive". what's wrong with social progress, comrade?
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Dec 16, 2016 07:47
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I've not seen hateful eight, but I enjoy each film of his more than the last. It's like he's ramping up to something!
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VideoGames posted:I've not seen hateful eight, but I enjoy each film of his more than the last. It's like he's ramping up to something! You will no longer feel like this once you see Hateful Eight
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Tarantino loving rules and his worst movies are better than like 90% of what gets made e- Django might be my favorite but Dogs is really close, that's a fuckin hell of a heist movie
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Dec 17, 2016 04:06
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I like the one w the Mexican standoff
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as my knowledge of film has increased, my opinion of qt's movies has diminished. it's too much indulgent nudging and winking, it's like he doesn't have a voice of his own, rather he apes the efforts of superior innovators.
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Dec 17, 2016 20:13
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He needs an editor who will trim his poo poo to less than 2 hours. Thats my biggest problem with his recent stuff.
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banned from Starbucks posted:He needs an editor who will trim his poo poo to less than 2 hours. Thats my biggest problem with his recent stuff. A friend of mine considers editing a real problem with both Django and Hateful Eight SciFiDownBeat posted:as my knowledge of film has increased, my opinion of qt's movies has diminished. it's too much indulgent nudging and winking, it's like he doesn't have a voice of his own, rather he apes the efforts of superior innovators. He certainly isn't scared to wear his influences on his sleeve, but I'm curious how you would rate them in their context (modern Hollywood) rather than relative to the entire history and spectrum of film
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Dec 17, 2016 22:42
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tarantino is a gateway to better movies but the stuff he's still putting out at the very least shows he's trying to do something with his movies, which is more than i can say for most people working in hollywood
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Tarantino is like Godard except he makes movies people want to watch
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as someone who drove an hour and a half to watch adieu au langage in 3d: wrong
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I really liked Hateful Eight
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wizard on a water slide posted:Whatever else the dude is his last few films (can expand on this thought re: Hateful Eight) have been radically progressive compared to the sociopolitically (and literally) bloodless stuff that often comes out of modern Hollywood, and he does it while writing entertaining characters and neat action scenes and all that stuff that keeps enabling him to get away with making mainstream movies. I disagree with your premise that he gets a bad rap, unless getting a bad rap just means Spike Lee said something about it once. The most critical take I ever hear about his recent output is that he genuinely wants to make statements about race but comes off a bit shallow. Yeah he uses the n-word a lot, but everyone pretty much agree it's just because he wants to be a black man so bad. General Dog fucked around with this message at 07:09 on Dec 18, 2016 |
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Seeing Hateful Eight in theaters made me realize that my biggest problem with Django is that it doesn't have an intermission. Having that time to take a breath and recompose yourself before heading into the last stretch really makes a huge difference to the viewing experience. I remember reading QT saying at one point that he would be interested in doing a longer cut re-release of Django after a few years, and I'd honestly really love to see it that way. I didn't follow closely enough to know if the H8 roadshow was financially successful, but I hope that it was so we can maybe get more stuff like that from nerdy directors like him.
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I still love True Romance and his work on Crimson Tide, it's cool to know Tarantino likes The Enemy Below. I think my favorite of his is Basterds, it's just crazy, pulpy fun.
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wizard on a water slide posted:A friend of mine considers editing a real problem with both Django and Hateful Eight Didn't the person that used to edit his movies die and those two were edited by someone else? I definitely agree with this statement though. Yeah Sally Menke edited all his films until 2010 when she died. Seems like she was a good influence on him. FishBulb fucked around with this message at 16:50 on Dec 18, 2016 |
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SciFiDownBeat posted:as my knowledge of film has increased, my opinion of qt's movies has diminished. it's too much indulgent nudging and winking, it's like he doesn't have a voice of his own, rather he apes the efforts of superior innovators. Keep reading. You'll find out all those innovators jacked their styles from those who came before, and those who came before did the same, and so on, and so on.
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General Dog posted:I disagree with your premise that he gets a bad rap, unless getting a bad rap just means Spike Lee said something about it once. The most critical take I ever hear about his recent output is that he genuinely wants to make statements about race but comes off a bit shallow. Yeah he uses the n-word a lot, but everyone pretty much agree it's just because he wants to be a black man so bad. You're right that I overstated it for a stupid/attention-grabbing thread title, but I've definitely heard criticism (race-based and otherwise) of him from people other than Spike Lee. Weren't there other black critics who thought Django was exploitative in a bad way, turning slavery into a guignol entertainment for majority-white audiences regardless of the film's black empowerment messaging? TBQH there are a lot worse things to blame him for, like Troy Duffy being allowed to make The Boondock Saints and the total absence of sexy womens' feet from Hateful Eight despite its 3+ hour runtime.
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The only reason I pretend to not like his movies is because the kind of people who are crazy about Tarantino are annoying Gen X'ers and new atheists. I actually like to watch them, just not to endorse them.
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wizard on a water slide posted:You're right that I overstated it for a stupid/attention-grabbing thread title, but I've definitely heard criticism (race-based and otherwise) of him from people other than Spike Lee. Weren't there other black critics who thought Django was exploitative in a bad way, turning slavery into a guignol entertainment for majority-white audiences regardless of the film's black empowerment messaging? man making a blaxploitation spaghetti western treats white oppression as cartoonishly evil, much like every other blaxploitation film out there also iirc a shitload of black people saw django and loved it. there's obviously a disconnect where some black critics are like "this movie is bad because slavery is supposed to be treated as somber and serious" while the black audience probably went "gently caress yeah, django, gently caress up those slave masters!"
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Dec 20, 2016 01:05
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Tarantino's Big Black Dingus.
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I like all of his movies but the only one I could watch pretty much any time is Jackie Brown.
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Jackie Brown was really cool. I actually watched it after all the other Tarantino movies and I thought it had the most human protagonist of all his movies.
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Jackie Brown is so good and my favourite Tarantino film, but it's not really written by him. I think that's the major difference between it and all his others. Plus I love Michael Keaton!
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Bridget Fonda is the only person in that movie who's a real rear end in a top hat, everyone else is a good guy, even Sam Jackson who's the bad guy. It's pretty great. Jackie Brown owns and I'm probably going to watch it again today now that I got thinking about it. Thanks, thread.
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ruddiger posted:Keep reading. You'll find out all those innovators jacked their styles from those who came before, and those who came before did the same, and so on, and so on. No
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