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 [supercross announcer voice]Welcome fans of supercross and motocross to the TWENTY SEVENTEEN something awful stupid fantasy thread thing[/supercross announcer voice] 2016 Thread in which I had a dominating performance leading to being in charge of this thread. Sign up at https://www.rmfantasysx.com and stay tuned for our group details. The rocky mountain site seems to be the most popular / have the coolest prizes / require the least amount of skill. Group Information Join our group on the rocky mountain site Group Name: AICA Goons Password: goonstairs Q: How does it work? A: You're picking the top 4 finishers of the 450 main event and one wildcard position. If you pick the person in the correct spot, you will get that person's earned points for the event (1st 25, 2nd 22, 3rd 30, 4th 18, 5th 16, wildcard 25). If your rider is in the top 5 but not in the position you picked, you will receive 5 points. Q: But what if I'm a big dumb baby and don't know who to pick? A: Don't worry, only a handfull of guys are likely to even win main events. See below for the heavy hitters. Q: I have an enormous boner for these guys and this sport, how do I inject this information directly into my veins? A: This sport has a lot of coverage to guzzle down. Here are some of the main places for news and info: http://www.racerxonline.com/ http://www.vitalmx.com/ http://motocross.transworld.net/ http://pulpmxshow.com/ PulpMX is arguably the most popular podcast, headed by cargoshort and food enthusiast Steve Matthes. He puts out about 8 hours of podcasts weekly during the season and will cover pretty much everything going on in the sport. I personally like his stuff, but not everyone is such a superfan. DMXS is probably the other big moto podcast, I listen to it as well. 2017 Season Preview   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gg0rqZstQQ dreesemonkey fucked around with this message at 19:51 on Jan 2, 2017 |
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450 A Group Here are the guys most likely to do well in the 450 class in a loose ranking (in my opinion).  Ryan Dungey - Back to back supercross champion the past two years and just the most apple-pie golly gosh darn good guy, gee wilikers. Last year Dungey was dominant and earned his way onto a cereal box and into ESPN the body issue. I'm not sure if he or his wife is better looking. Hot take: I'm betting he's going to win his third championship in a row and retire.  Ken Roczen - Ze German, though everyone forgets that because he speaks English better than us natives. Moved to Honda this year after a dominant season (winning 20 out of 24 races) in outdoor motocross. Hot take: Roczen's only issue for me is can he be as consistent as Dungey? I'm guessing it's going to come down to the wire and he'll finish second in the points.  Eli Tomac - Kawasaki's #1 dude had a real ho-hum 2016 supercross and motocross season. He won a few races, but most of the time was buried in the pack and had to settle for top 5. Hot take: More of the same, might get a win or two but overall not up to Kawi's expectations.  Marvin Musquin - Frenchy McFrench Guy had a really good rookie season in 2016. Should have won a race and had some good results. Has been dominant in off-season supercross races this year, which isn't really a big deal but I think could be promising. Hot take: Gets his first main event win at Anaheim 1 this year. Battles with Tomac for 3rd in the points.  Jason Anderson - Husky's #1 had a strong 2016, if by strong you mean good at pissing people off with his aggressive passes. If he keeps that up he's going to get his clock cleaned. Hot take: I put him right in the mix with Tomac/Musquin.  Cooper Webb - All aboard the bandwagon, Cooper Webb, rumored to be God's favorite son (what with the sacrificing Jesus and all), has arrived at factory Yamaha. I'll be honest, I don't see him having the year everyone sucking on his balls thinks he's going to have but I could be wrong. Hot take: A deep 450 field, a bike that has not had much success in the class, and his (at times) mediocre starts make me think people will be ready to hit the panic button after a few rounds. Bold prediction: Doesn't finish top 5 in points. 450 B Group Cole Seely - Natural on a dirt bike, having picked up racing really late. He can get really good starts and lead laps, but one of the main guys usually reels him in without much trouble. Jason Anderson's favorite rider to piss off. Trey Canard - If there were ever a man more golly gosh gee-wilikers than Ryan Dungey, it's Trey Canard. He's fast and agressive but crashes and gets injured a whole lot. In my super novice opinion that's worth nothing, I think he tends to over-ride his bike and if he were a bit smoother in the corners he could make up some time. Trey's my guy, but it's a bit like being a Cubs fan between 1909 and 2015. Trey's moved to the factory KTM team, leaving Honda for basically the first time in his career. Justin Brayton - This guy is a big time supercross sleeper in the top 10. Been racing a long time, had a great off season running away with the Australian supercross title and some other offseason races. He's on a backmarker team, but is getting some works suspension support from Honda and I expect him to be a solid 5-8 guy, maybe a podium if the stars align. Justin Bogle - Like Seely, he can get good starts and lead laps, but gets overtaken often and usually settles into a top 5-8 place. Moved to Suzuki for this year. Justin Barcia - Hot take: Speaking of panic buttons, if he can't turn it around (team had a late switch to Suzuki this year) this season he'll be lucky to get a contract for 25% of what he's making now. From what the experts say, he is the epitome of over-riding the 450. You're not supposed to ride a 450 like a 250, and that's argueably what Barcia can't stop doing. Blake Bagget - El Chupacabra, a 250 nationals champion (I think). In 2016 he showed vast improvement in supercross, but had some injury issues. One of the smartest guys out there in that at the end of his contract with Suzuki immediately went out and got a ride, likely taking a big paycut in the process. As I touch on down below, there are not enough rides to go around. Chad Reed - The old man is still at it, he's Webb's teammate on factory Yamaha. He shows flashes of brilliance, but didn't have a great year in 2016. Not sure when his contract is up, but if he doesn't have a good year I could see Yamaha 450 'Where the gently caress are the rides' Group James Stewart - Quite possibly the fastest man ever on a dirtbike. Had an abysmal 2016 racing season after being suspended in 2015 for banned substances. No one knows if he even wants to race anymore, so he doesn't have a ride. Malcom Stewart - James' "big" little brother. Fast on a bike, won the 250 east title last year completely out of the blue and like his big brother, doesn't have a ride for this year. It's a tough tough year for riders looking for a team. Great time to be a team owner to get really quick guys Dean Wilson - Another really solid guy without a team. He's been plaqued with injuries since moving up to the big bikes (past 250 champ). He'll likely get a fill-in spot once some riders start getting injured and he's rumored to be doing A1 as a privateer, which I think is smart. 250 Persons of interest Austin Forker - Fighting Cooper for the second coming crown, to be honest. Everyone is expecting him to clean up. He had a very impressive rookie outdoor season this year, so his debut in supercross is coming up. People are expecting him to clean up. Adam Cianciarulo - Wrecky McInjuryface, also known as the most winningest amatuer racer of all time. Poor Adam, such promise but constantly injured. As he's recovering he's also growing a foot. He had a solid outdoor season, but not great. He's only raced in 5 supercross races but he's won 3 of them. If he's healthy and ready, he and Forker could be really battling it out (assuming they're racing the same coast). Joey Savatgy - Strong 2016, was in the points lead for a while. Outdoor season was also in the points lead for a while but then completely fell off a figurative cliff. There were rumors that he might have epstein barr or something. If that's true 2016 SX might be looking pretty bad for him, especially on his team, holy poo poo. Jeremy Martin - Love this guy, but he's not great in supercross. He made some progress last year, one point was the points leader, but got buried in the mud in vegas for a good representation of his supercross career so far. He switched from Yamaha to Geico Honda this year. Alex Martin - "Troll" is Jeremy's older brother. Racing for a long time as a privateer, got on the Yamaha team a few years back and had a good couple of seasons. He was also in the hunt for the supercross (and outdoors) title in 2016. Moved to TLD KTM. Justin Hill - On pro circuit kawasaki with AC and AF and JS, he's a fast dude but is almost always injured or having a mediocre race. Could be a contender if he could figure poo poo out. Christian Craig - "Jager's dad" won a race last year (maybe two?) but for the most part, in my opinion, wasn't much of a threat. Good in the whoops. He's working with David Vullimen as a rider coach this year, interested to see how that goes. Rumored to be running the East coast. Phil Nicoleti - Really not sure how Phil's going to do, in a bit of controversy he's "moved down" to the 250 class after racing in 450s for years. He's good friends with the Martin brother's and I like those guys so I just wanted to mention him. Go Phil! 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shacked up with Brenda posted:I always like being contrarian so I think Marvelous Marvin is going to shake it up over Kenny. Yep, here's the full thing. I didn't get to watch it yet https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gg0rqZstQQ Deeters posted:Are there any good videos out there that explain how the series works? Like the different classes and heats, semis, mains, etc 450: 2 heats where the top 4 qualify for the main, 2 semis where the top 5 qualify for the main, 1 LCQ where the top 4 go to the 450 main. 250: 2 heats where the top 9 qualify for the main, 1 LCQ where the top 4 qualify for the 250 main. If you wanna be a super fan you can actually watch the 2016 races on youtube, thankfully the rights holders seem to at least somewhat embrace technology. Monster Energy Supercross Channel builds character posted:You think Musquin and Tomac over Anderson? Just a gut feeling Marvin will do well this year and Tomac NEEDS to be in front of Anderson. But it could really go either way. I think those are the top 5 talents in the sport right now in whatever order you put them in. I think Anderson has the highest likelihood of losing spots due to his aggressive riding, chances are he'll have beef with a rider or 3 this year and they'll constantly be taking each other out. I'd like to see him go at it with Cooper as a welcome to the 450 class, but that's just me being a jerk.
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shacked up with Brenda posted:Two important facts about 450B Riders I hate to say it, but if Canard can't get some good results on the KTM, which is probably the best bike right now, his hopes for more wins is effectively over. He needs to watch Dungey through the turns, so smooth and fast. Canard has the tendency to get on the power too early (don't listen to me I haven't even ridden a dirtbike) which gets the rear out of line and kills momentum. There is some hope for me, others have said the Honda's were (not sure about the '17s) twitchy in the handling department, and the KTM steel frame may really suit his riding style better. I would be so happy if Trey could get a win or two this year.
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builds character posted:You should join the Webb-Anderson deathmatch bandwagon, then. Definitely. I mean either Roczen or Dungey will run away with it, so watching two youngsters try to murder each other every corner should be awesome.
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shacked up with Brenda posted:I watched the preview show last night. Feld has really got these things dialed. Slap that into the OP bruh. Done, fellah
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Some more youtube previews from the racerx guys. I'm slightly salty about this because I see some similarities between my hot takes and what they're saying. I typed this up weeks ago I swear! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOuVuwBXXLo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OeG0q8HVWI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgFtuWeG818
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EX250 Type R posted:Has a group been made yet? Rocky Mountain is open as of now Just made it now: Group Name: AICA Goons Password: goonstairs
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shacked up with Brenda posted:Ugh Yea A1 is always a little weird, it seems. I'll probably wait until closer to race time to make my picks, but I do like builds character's picks if it were a non-weird A1. I'm wondering if the new time format shakes things up. I don't think it's going to matter for the top tier guys since they will always be in top shape, but might help lovely starters like Canard come through the pack with slightly longer mains.
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Well it won't be Justin Barcia, he's out with a wrist injury http://motocross.transworld.net/news/justin-barcia-start-2017-sx-season/#EsZBPPh0MbyXJKSm.97
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shacked up with Brenda posted:Interesting to see Weimer fill in for Barcia and not Phil! Apparently Bisceglia has some ankle injuries and can't ride 250 west now so Phil is going to be riding 250 west. I'm glad to be seeing Weimer back on a bike though, cool for him and honestly his finishes probably won't be that far off Barcia's 
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A1 press conference is going to be live today at 3PM if there are other desk-jockeys like me who feel like pretending to work http://racerxonline.com/2017/01/05/...+Racer+X+Online
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1 Roczen 2 Dungey 3 Musquin 4 Tomac 5 Canard ----------------- 7 Brayton I may or may not take a peek at practice to see where I should put anderson. Yay supercross!
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Results after A1: Random thoughts on the race: - Track was poo poo, there was very little on-screen passing, especially in the 250 class. Very follow-the-leader. - Roczen lookin' real good. - Webb didn't look very comfortable on his bike. He'll get better, but I got a smug sense of satisfaction for him having a very pedestrian debut. - I guess Reed and Peick were going at it, with Reed's radiator getting punctured. I don't particularly like Reed either (though I hope he out-scores his teammate this year), so this was pleasing to me. - Tomac panic button Started off in 2nd and faded back on a basic, easy track.- About ready to hand in my Canard fan club membership badge  Holeshotted his heat race and went down in the second corner. Just squeaks in via the LCQ and then doesn't start. What the heck. I guess he went down hard in practice and hurt his shoulder.- Milsaps - strong showing from the guy no one ever talks about. I give A1 a C+, pretty boring race all around.
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Don't pick Canard for anything the week, he's out with a shoulder injury (trying to carry the load of my expectations, no doubt) I admit I never saw the original, but Honda had Kenny recreate MC's "Terrafirma" video using the same bike and wearing MCs pants. Pretty cool.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_hUQdr8aYk
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builds character posted:fiiiiine Good picks builds character posted:Now I'm rooting for Webb to get good enough so he can catch up with Anderson and they can fight each other to the death. We should be best friends. Other scenario: Peick and Reed's feud from A1 carries over, somehow Webb gets caught up in it and Peick sends him into the stands. I'm really hoping one of these weeks Dean Wilson is the highest finishing Yamaha rider.
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For now: Roczen Dungey Anderson Tomac Musquin 11: Peick
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Just watched the race, both mains were much more exciting than last week, IMO. It looks like Dungey might have had a tiny bit more pace in the closing laps, but just couldn't get it done. Great racing from him and Roczen. Here's the standings after two rounds  My perverse joy of seeing Webb struggle in the heats and main continues, he finished 14th. Truly earning that $2.5M/yr from Yamaha
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I'm wondering how much Hansen plowing into the start gate screwed J-Mart. He was right next to him, I'm not sure if it effects the nearby gates or it just made him flinch. Of course, J-Mart was like 20th on the first lap. In other funny start shenanigans, Blake Baggett's loop out in the heat race looks like something I'd do https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIQlcK3QXfM It really seems like the 250 class is wide open after the first two rounds, though McElrath's points lead is going to really help. Dungey and Roczen being so close makes me hopefully it's going to be a good fight this year, they seem by far in their own league. I think maybe pure speed Anderson could be there with them if he gets a good start, but I don't know that he can keep their pace for 20+1.
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Headscratcher for my lineup, I'm not sure what the track conditions are, it was very wet this week apparently. Roczen Dungey Musquin Anderson Seely 9: Bogle
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Pretty much. 250 class heating up and the 450 class is pretty much over. I did not see that crash coming, I flinched bad.
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I don't know much about dirt-bikin', but I can see the rear get kicked to the side a little and - to me - it looks like Roczen just did not expect that and panicked. I guess it also looks like his feet came off and he couldn't muscle it back into place. Like that side movement in the air seems like nothing compared to if they were scrubbing or throwing a whip. What a friggin' bummer for the series, for real.
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EX250 Type R posted:Dungey I think he's still injured and as much as I'd love it, he would not be in my top 5  Bogel is also injured if anyone was planning on using him.Dungey Anderson Musquin Tomac Seely 12: Weimer
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builds character posted:Why Anderson over Musquin? I think the start is really long, Anderson seems to do well with those, like MEC 2015. I think he'll have extra motivation this week too.
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Watching live tonight. 450 heat 1: The Webb and Anderson blood feud may have just started! Ground floor!
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EX250 Type R posted:im watching right now, come to irc, we can party Sorry I didn't end up checking the thread much after I posted and actually went to bed before the mains last night. That was a cool track, it really looked like if you weren't quading those two(?) sections you were losing tons of time. Lot's of really good battles, though. Happy Eli finally got a win. Cool Dungey power wheelie on lap one, that was a really good passing spot. http://i.imgur.com/XwjCiE9.gifv Standings: Looks like no real movement 
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shacked up with Brenda posted:Looks like Deano found himself a factory ride. I'm not sure he deserves it, but he seems like a cool dude, so I'll allow it. Whoa, cool for Deano. Bare minimum he's doing way better than Pourcell on a privateer bike, and brand that hasn't had much success lately no less. He should feel right at home on that Husky since it's basically the same bike as his KTM from last year. shacked up with Brenda posted:Also, if you haven't seen some dipshit reporter asking Chad Reed if the injury of Roczen crowned Dungey the winner for this year, I suggest you watch the press conference from last week. It's glorious. Yea, pretty stupidly worded question. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNF0fQkvPuk Rumors are that Reed has been unhappy with the bike and he finally convinced Yamaha to try <whatever>. I mostly just think that it was a track that suited him, just like it suited Tomac. The track map from this week looks like back to the usual baseball stadium track, no super-long rhythm sections or anything. I expect it to be back to normalish this week where Dungey wins, Marvin is closer, and Reed and Tomac are slightly further back. drat, last week was fun.
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shacked up with Brenda posted:I've always found it interesting that the 250 is so dominant and the 450 is.... less so. This is even despite the 450 winning many magazine shootouts. I wonder what's up? Apparently the 250 and 450 frame are the exact same unit. In an interview with Peick after A2, he said that the Yamaha (when JGR ran them) had a really narrow setup window. It was either great, or you were chasing a good setup. He said the Suzuki is much more predictable and consistent. On the Pulp show this week Grant Langston thought maybe the motor setup, which is apparently more centrally located, could be part of the problem. Apparently the 2018 RMZ450 is being unveiled today on facebook, if anyone cares. builds character posted:More separation of talent at the 450 level and yamaha has olllllld chad reed and new webb vs. Dungey, Roczen (RIP), Tomac, Seely, Musquin, Anderson, etc who are all, arguably, way better riders and it's not like any of the factory bikes are bad. I think this is mostly it. No real top-tier talent there for some time. I think I heard the last time Yamaha won a premier class supercross main event was with James Stewart or Josh Grant. The guys at the very top of this sport are just plain better than the next tier of guys.
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builds character posted:That's a fair question. I think probably not if they're using pro racer setup just because I don't need anything to deal with jumping 60 feet in the air or quadding anything, but I would think that whoever you get it from would talk with you about it and set it up accordingly. Either way, I still want it. I like the cut of your I have the same top 5 right now with Millsaps in 8th. I may adjust throughout the day. Everyone remember Peick is out if they were tempted on putting him 8th. Is Canard back this weekend?
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shacked up with Brenda posted:Anyone watching live tonight? Come to IRC! Not sure if I'll get to or not, it's a day race, right? I'm a single dad this weekend so that might make it hard, I'll see what I can do. Checking out the qualifying now, looks like it might be a rutty mess for the race tonight. I think that bodes well for Marvin finishing well, and Dungey obviously. Whoops look pretty big, could favor reed. If they get real tricky Marvin will start jumping them real soon, though.
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Yea that was fun chattin' with you dudes and having incorrect assumptions made about my marital status. A+++ would #bieks again. Overall standings after 5 rounds. buildscharacter with a nice week shoots up to 2nd.  Oakland results: buildscharacter - 69pts rifkin (EX250 Type R?) - 44pts dreesemonkey - 44pts VTNewb (shacked up with Brenda?) - 15pts Deeters - 15pts
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Just so you know, Jimmy D was a guest caller on the pulpMX show Monday. Poor guy doesn't have a top-5 bonus, only top-3.
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Probably the coolest thing I've seen all week.   Struggling with my picks this week. Dallas looks to be hardpack and a really short start. I think that makes Eli less likely to win. Big rhythm lanes but Jason Thomas commented that he doesn't see opportunities for big rhythm combos, so again Eli might be further back. Dungey has got to "turn it around" one of these weeks. 
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Yea, pretty crazy race. These weird finishes are keeping the season interesting. Pumped for Marvin, he's a pretty cool guy and deserves a win. Deano with a 5th, pretty rad for him too! I'm going to try and get a GIF of Anderson looping and launching his bike, that was entertaining.
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shacked up with Brenda posted:Anyone got anything on the 250 East? I'm pretty pumped about the 250 East. I'm wondering if A mart can put in some results, the bike seems good. I also hope AC does well, he deserves some success. Savatgy is probably the main guy I would think, unless he does have epstein barr or whatever (his second half of 2016 outdoors was not at all good, that was a theory). I guess Christian Craig is the other "guy", but I dunno how much I buy into that yet. AC or Savatgy is my pick, I think.
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This year is hard. Every week I pick a top 5 I'm always having to leave someone (or three) out I feel like the wildcard could really be anyone. Reed, Webb, Canard, Deano, Tickle, Anderson, Barcia (back this week) I also forgot about Zach Osbourne on 250 East, he's training with Aldon. I'm thinking this is the year he finally gets a win.
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Tomac making all his bitch once again. Marvin dropping Dungey. Webb falling from heaven and breaking himself. Alex Martin going to the LCQ and then out in the first turn. Pretty good race weekend. Overall standings after 7 rounds. EX250 Type R and brenda with a nice week compared to the rest of us idiots. I'm barely holding on to my lead and am ashamed with myself.  Minny results: rifkin (EX250 Type R?) - 42pts VTNewb (shacked up with Brenda?) - 42pts Deeters - 33pts buildscharacter - 20pts dreesemonkey - 20pts
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 I am a failure at life. All hail rifkin. Atlanta results: rifkin (EX250 Type R?) - 57pts VTNewb (shacked up with Brenda?) - 57pts buildscharacter - 40pts dreesemonkey - 33pts Deeters - 15pts Decent race, considering the lack of passing. That sand section wall was brutal 
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