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Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

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I would agree ultimately that that crab's thematic role in the plot isn't clearly elucidated. I suspect when we learn more, he probably had a more expanded role when the story was more about Maui. At this point he's mainly there so that Moana can do a cool thing that earns Maui's respect.

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Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

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Pick posted:

Again, cannot overstate this, it was a torrid love affair. Now, I know if you go on Tumblr, you will see "humanized Tamatoa", which is ridiculous, because the one there with shapeshifting powers is Maui, and they were having gay crab sex

Thanks for making me look up how crabs have sex (it takes ages) and whether they can be homosexual (yes)

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

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I watched Titan AE recently and hated it a lot.

I'm overjoyed that I now hate something most of the thread likes.......

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

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gently caress.

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

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I might write some kind of screed about how the only interesting thing in Titan AE is that the story revolves around the necessity of genocide to create lebensraum for the human race, with the main enemy having attacked mankind precisely to pre-empt this in an act of self-defense. But then I might turn into SMG and that would be bad.

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

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Enh, just imagine the thing I said but 10x as long with some snooty references.

The thing I don't really get is why the non-human characters are even in the film. Like, why are they interested in reviving humanity? Are they just a bunch of weebs?

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

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Spatula City posted:

by that token, one could ask why humans have any investment in bringing back animal species from the brink of extinction.

Generally this doesn't involve murder and terrorism and eventually genocide. So basically the crew is PETA?

But ignoring the realism question, why have so many aliens? If the plot is basically about the future of humanity, why are there only three humans in it and why does it not explore the relationship of humans to the rest of the galaxy at all?

Anyway probably the main reason I hate the film was that we were choosing between watching this and The Iron Giant.

Fangz fucked around with this message at 19:53 on Feb 26, 2017

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

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Phylodox posted:

The human character designs were great, though.

Two white all-american action heroes and Anime Girl?

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

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The_Doctor posted:

Hmm, why isn't Kida a Disney princess?

Maybe you have to be a protagonist? (Haven't seen the film yet)

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

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Pick posted:

I think Zootopia was the correct win this year, regardless of how I feel about previous years.

:yeah:

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

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Das Boo posted:

Nah, not just complaining about it now. It's an annual thing and I was outright livid about The Tale of Princess Kaguya a couple of years back. (Or what was it? "Obscure Chinese poo poo?") But it does bother me that if you swapped titles and had Disney's The Red Turtle and and Ghibli's Zootopia, Disney still would've won. It was just a cherry on top they could choose the status quo while also making a political statement. But the brand name is WAY more important here.

And my sentiment isn't limited to the animation category, the whole dog and pony show just bums me out.

'Chinese Cartoon' was used to refer to Song of the Sea.

Anyway I think that's a plausible hypothetical, but I still think Zootopia is the better film. And Ghibli is overrated.

EDIT: VVV Oh right, maybe. I think it was more amusing for SotS though.

Fangz fucked around with this message at 19:22 on Feb 27, 2017

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

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Also I feel like if Disney only could put in one nomination it'd be Finding Dory, or Sing, or even Sausage Party that gets nominated instead of anything else. And Zootopia's victory would become more likely, not less.

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

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Pick posted:

Yeah, I was mad Kaguya didn't win because I thought it was the best animated film that year. I don't feel the same way about Frozen winning over The Wind Rises, because though I enjoyed The Wind Rises I don't think it's particularly great.

Looking back to 2014, I wasn't very enthused about either of those films. What's maddening was that the Lego Movie wasn't even nominated. Instead there's Despicable Me 2 and the Croods.

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

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Das Boo posted:

It wasn't my favorite of the bunch, but that's me!
I'm more irritated because it could have been any drat thing and as long as the Disney or Pixar label is on it, it's pretty well a sealed deal. If you're a big Zoo fan, it's even a little disheartening to know that your film is not actually being recognized for its artistic or thematic achievements, but just because it happens to be branded with one of the biggest labels on earth. It'd be really cool if an awards show for outstanding films judged those films based on their actual achievements rather than who's funding them, but we know from past comments that's not the case. I'm not limiting this to the animated category or saying Zoo didn't deserve to win but knowing how these assholes vote, I'm bummed it won for all the wrong reasons.

And it's pretty lovely to look at all the work that went into Zoo and say, "Well, I guess I'll vote for it because I took my kids to it and I know what a Disney is."

Yeah well Zootopia still beat out Moana and Finding Dory, so....

EDIT: I mean 'Best Disney/Pixar Movie' is relatively competitive this year. Your complaint works a bit better for Inside Out, or good lord, Big Hero 6, which had no real competition on that criteria.

Fangz fucked around with this message at 21:18 on Feb 27, 2017

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

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Of course the actual best animated movie this year is A Silent Voice.

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

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I would identify the underlying cause differently.

The underlying cause is that the best animated feature is essentially a combination of the Best Picture oscar and the Best Foreign Language Film oscar, jammed into a single category. On the one hand you have the major US cinema releases, which Disney/Pixar rightfully dominate because typically the competition just sucks. Then on the other hand you get a smattering of random films with much more limited releases that they put in to encourage people to see. (Stuff like Kubo and Song of the Sea, while in english, had releases relatively small enough that they might as well be counted there)

The Oscars is kinda a microcosm of the cinema industry in the US.

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

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ImpAtom posted:

BH6 isn't constrained by the property upon which it is based at all. It has almost nothing to do with it but the names.

I think the argument is that it had to be Big Hero 6 when the narrative really wanted to be Big Hero 2.

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

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I don't love Inside Out but I do like how dorky and uncool it is.

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

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https://twitter.com/ByronPHoward/status/838086653855973376

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

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LeJackal posted:

Not one of the good lizard people, either. :colbert:

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

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How well do you think Boss Baby will do? Do kids like films about babies?

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

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It's aspirational

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

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Larryb posted:

A new Dispicable Me 3 trailer is out.

Feels like they've spoilt 50% of the plot at this point.

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

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In nuBatB's defence, maybe what they are going for is to give Beast more of a clear character arc, to have him be more of an arsehole at the start. We don't necessarily know enough of how that scene actually turns out.

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

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http://www.decluttr.com/blog/2017/03/10/which-disney-princess-does-your-state-love-most/

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

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What if we made a film about a woman falling in love with a bee?

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

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This thread really needs to stop hating on stuff, it's having a terrifying effect on the real world.

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

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Avalerion posted:

Live action Mulan actually got my interest, though I wonder how they'll mess up the casting. What are the chances they'll actually get a full foreign cast instead of forcing in some random celebrities?

'Foreign'? :( Chinese-Americans are a thing you know.

Fangz fucked around with this message at 12:59 on Mar 29, 2017

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

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Erm, Zetsubo Sensei, and even Madoka, have plenty of questionable poo poo if you object to that.

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

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Drawing horses is one of those stereotypical 'hard to do' things so I wonder about that movie.

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

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Das Boo posted:

I really liked Madoka. The only even-close-to-questionable content in it I can think of was towards the end, but it's only questionable if you consider Sailor Moon to be nude during her transformation scene. I considered the outlined form to be representative of the soul, not actually naked. Is there something else I missed?

God, the witch labyrinths and the silhouette fight in Madoka were exceptional. :allears:

The bondage scene in the OP?

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

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EDIT:^^^ Thirty seconds into https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjyTOP3bMys, yes. I had also forgotten about the whole hugging a fully naked version of herself, that was weird too.

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It's been years since I've seen the former so I'm going off memory. I'm willing to believe you, but I really don't remember anything horrible in it.

You don't remember the bondage schoolgirls OP? Because holy poo poo watching it with a bunch of teenage girls was literally one of the most hilariously awkward moments in my life.

Fangz fucked around with this message at 19:05 on Apr 10, 2017

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

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Das Boo posted:

I thought the Madoka OP was funny as hell since it purposefully sets you up for the rug-pull of episode 3.


No, that would be something like Narutaru's OP:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIF5BLyh3Mk

The Madoka OP's just Shinbo shinboing without the direction of the writer. Thank god season 2 still hasn't appeared, and may it never.

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

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icantfindaname posted:

wait lol is this serious? it's on screen for like a second and a half, isnt actually that bad, and is very clearly meant as a joke.

that's a weak-rear end "awkward showing anime to normies" story if i've ever heard one. there's all sorts of horrifying porn that a clueless nerd could show to unsuspecting female peers, way beyond a moderately-distasteful joke that's on screen for two seconds

shinbo's done stuff 10x as bad as that in other work

No, I mean the opening to his other series Sayanora Zetsubo sensei.

NWS http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xc1bx8_sayonara-zetsubou-sensei-op-1-hq_shortfilms

Fangz fucked around with this message at 21:54 on Apr 10, 2017

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

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Sinners Sandwich posted:

Are yiu saying if I'm comfortable with the level of pedo featured in Madoka and Zetsubo Sensei, then I would be fine watching the Monomagaratari series? It's on my bucket list

I haven't seen the monogatari series, so I dunno. Probably?

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

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Hedrigall posted:

I just got my leave approved for September-October, so my boyfriend and I are going to Japan for 5 weeks :) I haven't been since high school, when I did a school exchange thing in a cute little town in Aomori (but I also got to travel around a bit to the major cities)

Animation thread! Apart from the Ghibli museum, Disneyland/sea and the massive Disney stores in Tokyo, what would you recommend I do to geek out about animation while I'm there?

Kyoto maybe?

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

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Hedrigall posted:

Somehow this turned into general travel advice but thanks everyone :3

Here is a gift in return (which I stole from reddit):



I mean Kyoto's good for Kyoto Animation, and it's also background scenery reference to a lot of great shows.

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

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Pick posted:

I expected something in the realm of When Marie Was There, an actual good film, not think "You really should have gone to Boss Baby."

Go watch A Silent Voice instead.

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

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To be fair I've still not seen Your Name, because at this point I've basically seen all of Shinkai's movies and been disappointed by them every loving time. I don't fault other people for liking his films but he just doesn't remotely deliver the stuff I want out of a story (thematic coherence, relationships deeper than 'here's a girl and a guy and they are protagonists so they wuv each other', twists that aren't just scifi set dressing, characters that exhibit any sort of growth...), so Pick's critique sounds a lot like my problems with his other stuff.

I really do think you'd like A Silent Voice, Pick, assuming you liked what I liked out of When Marnie Was Here.

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- Ghost in the Shell
- Akira
- Vampire Hunter D Bloodlust
- Redline
- Tokyo Godfathers
- Paprika
- Millennium Actress
- Perfect Blue
- Jin-Roh
- Robot Carnival
- Belladonna of Sadness
- Angel's Egg
- The Ringing Bell
- Wolf Children

good taste

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Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

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I think the only thing I'd add to that (there's other stuff I like of course) is Giovanni's Island.

EDIT: Also, Metropolis but it's been a while since I saw that.

Fangz fucked around with this message at 18:07 on Apr 18, 2017

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