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Robindaybird
Aug 21, 2007

Neat. Sweet. Petite.

I swear to god reviewers don't know how to review animation movies, they seem to hold them to completely different standards than live-action movies.

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Robindaybird
Aug 21, 2007

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Isn't Rick and Morty done in a largely improv-style - that I can understand the stretches between episodes.

Robindaybird
Aug 21, 2007

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Tuxedo Catfish posted:

"improv" and "animated" sounds like absolute hell to manage

from my understanding, they have a skeleton of a plot outline, and let the actors basically cut loose and then animate the parts they liked.

Robindaybird
Aug 21, 2007

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they wisely picked a slot where they're not competiting with a lot, also never underestimate the bad taste of the viewing public, why else would epic movie exist?

Robindaybird
Aug 21, 2007

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Invader Zim and Tim Burton probably single-handedly supported Hot Topic for the 90s and 00s.


Yea, it's been my experience, that people who are/were really into Zim (and Johnny the Homicidal Maniac) were edgelords completely unaware that they're just as much a "Sheep" like everyone else they made fun of.

Robindaybird
Aug 21, 2007

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Das Boo posted:

Things got weird in this thread while I was gone.
Also, Zim was good and cel-shaded. Y'all eat turds.

Show's not bad, it's just the fanbase - I'd say even the creator hates them, but he's kind of a massive misanthrope.

Robindaybird
Aug 21, 2007

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God drat it, the Walrus and the Carpenter is in my head now.

And honestly, I don't like Wizards save for it's Finale - I just don't like Bakshi's works, I respect him as an influence on animation, but there's just something about it that I just don't like.

Robindaybird
Aug 21, 2007

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Space Cadet Omoly posted:

Just saw the new Smurfs movie, and I thought it was pretty good! And I usually hate Smurfs!

I skipped a lot of posts in this thread, did anyone else see and enjoy the smurfs?

Honestly it's the first time it's mentioned probably since it was announced.

Robindaybird
Aug 21, 2007

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Dude, I love Paprika but I would NOT show that one to kids.

Robindaybird
Aug 21, 2007

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Space Cadet Omoly posted:

Paprika has enough action throughout that I think kids would be entertained up it.

However, it also has nudity and lots of on screen death so you probably want to wait until at least late middle school to show it to them.

And there's one scene where Chiba gets ripped out of her Paprika persona that is framed in a way that feels almost like a rape scene.

Robindaybird
Aug 21, 2007

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You all remind me I need to watch the Iron Giant.

Robindaybird
Aug 21, 2007

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Rat Pack or Clooney version?

Robindaybird
Aug 21, 2007

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Oh that's really nice, neat art style, the dialogue's really natural

Robindaybird
Aug 21, 2007

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What is Spark?

Robindaybird
Aug 21, 2007

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That looks as if someone skimmed Journey to the West, and decided to take pieces of it to get the Sonic the Hedgehog fans.

Robindaybird
Aug 21, 2007

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Captain Underpants looks like it'll be hilarious and it hits the exact tone the books had - cheeky, slightly subversive, and fun.

Robindaybird
Aug 21, 2007

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Sadly, in ways it's better than the light novel - Meyer Link and Charlotte gets almost no characterization in the novel, and the hunter's group dynamics is very different and rather gross.

Robindaybird
Aug 21, 2007

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roughly (I forgot her name, since I'm bad with names), the woman is basically raped by the rest of the crew, and wasn't as self-reliant, and she ends up falling in love with D. EDIT: I say rather because I'm going off on memory and can't confirm if I'm remember correctly or exaggerating it.


I do love the setting, and there's some genuinely good books (Tale of the Dead Town, Journey to the Northern Sea 1 and 2), but as a whole, the VHD novels got a lot of issues, some of which did make me drop the series.

Robindaybird fucked around with this message at 20:30 on Apr 18, 2017

Robindaybird
Aug 21, 2007

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Those stills really have a 40s Disney feel, and look at Joe's thumb, it's a loving flesh ribbon.

Robindaybird
Aug 21, 2007

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PenguinKnight posted:

That face that kid is pulling reminds me a bit of Joan Cornelia's comics. He's going to pull out a knife stab his uncle, and then himself in a glorious blood fountain

so that's what his smile reminded me off, I was just thinking it looks weirdly familiar.

Robindaybird
Aug 21, 2007

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Motto posted:

I mostly remember it feeling incredibly sterile.

This is something I notice with ALL Tim Burton's movies, even the stuff that's considered unequivocally good - there's this kind of sterileness in the direction and set that keeps the audience at arm's reach from the characters and actions.

Robindaybird
Aug 21, 2007

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Yea, I saw a Jetsons WWE dvd in Walmart.

Robindaybird
Aug 21, 2007

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Either one of the cells of the Unicorn fleeing the Red Bull in The Last Unicorn, or something from the dew/spring fairies from Fantasia

Robindaybird
Aug 21, 2007

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Hedrigall posted:

But... I've heard the DTV sequel is bad. Am I right in deciding to ignore it?

It's very mediocre-forgettably bad if it was it's own thing, but as a sequel to NIMH it's loving terrible. Lot of contradictions with what the rats were trying to achieve in the first film, and shoehorn an extremely cliche fantasy plot into a setting where it doesn't fit.

Like Fievel Goes West is actually good even if lighter in tone then American Tail, and the Land Before Time Sequels are banal, but Timmy to the Rescue is just bad for non-Bluth sequels to Bluth movies.

Robindaybird
Aug 21, 2007

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That's the biggest issue with the series, it wasn't easy to keep up with what's going on because games kept hopping Platforms and expects that you played every one of them.

You had PS2 - GBA - PS2 - DS - PSP - 3DS - PS3, and those are the games important to the story. Re:Coded is a lovely mobile game that got ported to the DS that has zero importance whatsoever, and there's the mobile game that's more worldbuilding.

Robindaybird
Aug 21, 2007

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Schwarzwald posted:

I think that might be the point. The reason for all the spin offs and side stories is that those games are largely unconnected from the games that come before them and from the games that follow--playing all the previous games isn't necessary for them, and playing them isn't necessary for playing later games. The whole conceit of all that those games being ostensibly necessary for the understanding the full franchise is largely marketing.

The plot of Kingdom Hearts 1 is continued in 2 and then into 3D. You don't really need the other 50 games, unless you want to play them.

the issue is 2 references Chain of Memories heavily (otherwise, Namine, and Axel and other Nobodies are kind of out of nowhere) - 363/2 expands on the Nobody business, and 3's setting up to heavily require 3D and Birth by Sleep to understand what's going on.

Re:Coded, and chi are basically the only ones that have zero plot importance.


I mean, I love the series, it's fun to play, but I won't excuse the poor organization, and the plot isn't super-great, but least for me it hits the sweet spot of cheesy-bad to be enjoyable and somewhat invested.

Robindaybird
Aug 21, 2007

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LeJackal posted:

Now I wonder what lays beyond the veil of edits.


It does have some charm. The animation is well above average, several of the songs are pretty good, like Why Should I Worry?, Streets of Gold and Perfect Isn't Easy.

The problems are threefold.
First, Oliver is, as an actor and character, overshadowed by everyone else. He's a nonentity.
Second, the story is a bit meandering and the pacing not very good mostly because of the above and also....
Third, Sykes is just not a good villain. He's not menacing, interesting, well established or really involved. His henchdoges get more screentime. (They are also better looking, animated, and written than he is.)

Thank you! The Music is good, but it's cool to hate on Billy Joel so people tend to poo poo on it.

And kind of easy for a young actor to get upstaged by the likes of Cheech, Bette Midler, and Billy Joel and Disney hadn't really prepare for it. Then again, I think that's also an issue with he source material, Oliver is kind of a non-entity aside from being a sad good child that Victorian society screws over.

The dogs were definitely better villains, but having them fall and get electrocuted on the third rail was being fuckin' horrifying, they're bad guys but they're still dogs. Apparently Disney had to prove they didn't shock dogs because the sounds were just too real for the audience.

Robindaybird
Aug 21, 2007

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Wow - "What might not have come of it if this man had been educated–or even brought up in a decent society?", C. S Lewis is a loving dickhead.

Robindaybird
Aug 21, 2007

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Barudak posted:

Wait were you not aware? One of his arguments about why expressed sexual desires were wholly unnatural is because he argued no one would willfully watch a show where someone cooks a delicious meal and at the end you cant eat it.

Like I vaguely knew he's kind of an rear end (especially concerning how Susan was Not Invited Back to Narnia), but the sheer level of snobbish rear end in a top hat radiating from that line just took me aback.

Robindaybird
Aug 21, 2007

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starkebn posted:

so for some Disney gets a pass on being anti-semetic because he was a product of his era but C S Lewis and Tolkein can't get a pass on being colonialists and classist.

double.standard.

Because even for the era they're pretty assholish for that and it's not like Disney is putting himself on a higher moral ground, while CS Lewis does have a tendency to preach morality.

Robindaybird
Aug 21, 2007

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Macaluso posted:

I've seen that meme floating around and even before that response on tumblr came out I thought it was stupid.

And frankly I love the way all those shows look. Star Vs, Steven Universe, Gumball and Gravity Falls all have such an appealing art style for me.

It's especially funny because the meme cherry picks a bunch of really extreme poses from old cartoons and puts them next to unofficial drawings of the four characters with the same smiling pose. Except if you watch those shows, every single one of them, especially loving Gumball, does insane poo poo with their faces and expressions. Probably the one who does it the least is Dipper since he's kind of a straight man. But then you could just bring in Mabel and fill that gap.

Anyway, it's a dumb meme and cartoons have never been better than they are right now IMO

and given with budget and technology limitations, TV cartoons used to be a lot more limited unless it's Disney or certain Nick shows - not counting the ones that look different because the artists didn't have the time t keep from them going off-model.

Though I suppose this meme is the evolution of the DW Face (though that's more protesting why that face keeps showing up in posters and promo material).

Robindaybird
Aug 21, 2007

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Das Boo posted:

I wanted to scream the first time I realized that lovely little girl had a song.

Jenny's whole thing makes more sense when you realize in the early drafts she's suppose to be Penny from the Rescuers, but Disney nixed it, not wanting to tie their properties together like that.

Robindaybird
Aug 21, 2007

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Shadow Hog posted:

I forgot Cheech Marin was in this film. Sure took them long enough to get Tommy Chong into a film too.

Also, this film seems just fine so far? Though I didn't pick up on that reference to rape (Georgette hysterically going "I always feared this might happen" when Dodger appears randomly in her room) as a kid :stare:

Lot of people undeservedly trash on it for having Billy Joel, Being 80s and kind of grimy-looking (trouble is... that's *exactly* how New York looked at the time) and it came out just before the Renaissance

Robindaybird
Aug 21, 2007

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Yea, it's a bit weird, I feel it makes more sense if they had for example showed Sykes has poor impulse control or something like that.

Robindaybird
Aug 21, 2007

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LeJackal posted:

New York was exactly like that. Grimy. Billy Joels everywhere. Nothing but disgusting pathetic hobos and massively jawed loan sharks honking horns and picking pockets.
Furry beefcakes roamed the alleyways and musical numbers could ambush you at any time.

Dark, dark days indeed.

You know what I meant - New York was very dirty and gritty, there used to be unashamed porn shops in times square instead of assholes in knock-off mascot costumes mugging tourists for money and Flavortown restaurants - the city really got cleaned up around the 90s.

Robindaybird
Aug 21, 2007

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Shadow Hog posted:

Yeah, that still held up. I'd always sorta mentally lumped the film into the Disney Renaissance, even though that didn't start until a film later with The Little Mermaid, just since I remembered the animation and song quality being around that level, and I'm not seeing a whole lot to dissuade me from that opinion. I should like to see Great Mouse Detective next, and see how well that one fares as well, since that was... just before Oliver and Company, I think?

Though if there's one complaint that I swear I heard not that long ago that actually does kinda ring true, it's that Oliver doesn't really do much; he's more of a living MacGuffin that an interesting plot happens around rather than happens to. I never read Oliver Twist, so I don't know how much of that is WDAS's fault and how much of it is Dickens's, however.

Also, that image is legitimately making me crack up.

Yea, Oliver really wasn't that active of a protagonist in Oliver Twist - the biggest action he did was ask for seconds that got him kicked out of the orphanage, gets thrown out of a funeral home after beating up another kid for insulting his mom, but otherwise stuff just happens to him - particular the events the movie actually covers.

As for the Great Mouse Detective, it's my favorite - Vincent Price hamming it up, some really nice music, Basil has a very manic energy to him - he captures the spirit of Holmes better than Burlington Coatfactory.

Robindaybird
Aug 21, 2007

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Tuxedo Catfish posted:

And I'm sure there are people who think The Aristocrats was the best thing ever. And I know for a fact there are people who will go to bat for The Sword in the Stone, because I'm one of them. :v:

as a whole Sword in the Stone isn't good, but it has some really fantastic scenes, it just doesn't add up in a way where the whole is greater than the sum of it's parts.

Robindaybird
Aug 21, 2007

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Shadow Hog posted:

Just finished watching the film; decided to livetweet my thoughts as the film wore on, so I guess I'll post that thread here:

https://twitter.com/The_Shadow_Hog/status/858767521868075010

But in short, loved it, film needs more recognition.

Guess next up would be Rescuers Down Under, another film I barely remember anything about that, unlike Great Mouse Detective and Oliver and Company, actually WAS a Disney Renaissance Era film (coming just after Little Mermaid but before Beauty and the Beast), not just a film that feels like it's that caliber but isn't as fondly remembered because it cane out prior to The Little Mermaid kicking the official "Renaissance" moniker off. That said, I've never properly seen the first Rescuers, so I guess I have to watch that one first for a bit more context... fortunately, they're both on the same Blu-Ray, so that won't be difficult!

Marahute's Flight in the beginning is worth the cost of the Blu-Ray alone. I have to say it's sadly one of the few movies were the sequel handles the romance without effectively restarting it in order to 'capture the spark', instead it builds on what's before.

Robindaybird
Aug 21, 2007

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It's way more common than you think. I went to a high school that graded exams and the loving State assessment test so heavily that just passing those will get you a C or C+ grade, which isn't great but enough to let you graduate.

Let's put it this way, my state assessment test is so heavily weighted that for two years in high school and one year in middle school in math classes, we're solely taught how to answer the questions. Not how to solve it, but how to answer it.

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Robindaybird
Aug 21, 2007

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Jim Parsons shows some wit, but god drat he plays some really loving insufferable characters.

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