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I was at the UW protest against Milo with Antifa, and know the guy who got shot through a friend. He's a member of the IWW. The rear end in a top hat who shot him claims "self-defense", but I'm telling you, he totally could have walked away if he really wanted to. Guns aren't even allowed on campus anyways, so he shouldn't have been packing if he was going to the Milo event. Anyway, the guy who got shot is a good dude and there's a medical fund for him
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seiferguy posted:I read that this morning, and thought it was total bullshit. Also, I have a bad feeling the shooter won't get charged, claiming "self-defense" even though he brought a gun on the UW campus. The thing that really makes me mad is that the president of UW has made statements after the shooting that blame both sides equally, as though the Antifa are just as much to blame that they got shot as the reactionary who brought a loving gun and used it at a scene like that. She was a coward about the whole affair up to it (she was warned many times by many members of the community that this kind of thing was going to loving happen if they let Milo come to UW), but she refused to listen.
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Jan 24, 2017 18:08
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Yeah we should definitely hear both sides of the "I will actively incite my followers to harass and outright do violence against marginalized people" debate.
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Jan 24, 2017 19:43
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Doorknob Slobber posted:https://www.richardsilverstein.com/2017/01/24/uw-shooter-identified/ I saw that piece of poo poo trying to start things earlier! I bet he went to that event just waiting for an excuse to shoot someone.
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Jan 25, 2017 02:39
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Doorknob Slobber posted:you should email the ag or whatever that info could change attempted manslaughter to attempted murder if I understand law correctly Yeah, I just sent an email to a link someone posted on their Facebook page to the King county prosecuting attorney. And I shared this link with other comrades. Thanks for putting it up!
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Jan 25, 2017 02:47
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I'm pretty sure he ID'd the guy correctly, though. While it's circumstantial evidence, I saw that guy agitating poo poo, and the info that was available by googling him a day ago pointed strong fingers to being a gun rear end in a top hat. His facebook and twitter were both public when that blog was initially posted. I think it's very likely that's the guy.
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Jan 25, 2017 16:37
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For anyone who is curious about the blow-by-blow, I wrote an article about what I saw on the J20 Milo shooting incident here.
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Jan 26, 2017 17:01
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I guess but make no mistake they're still you're class enemies unless you rich
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Jan 26, 2017 19:06
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No actually the Keystone Kops is the most accurate portrayal.quote:The Kops are a brilliant concept. To take a gaggle of inept
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Jan 27, 2017 01:55
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Die Sexmonster! posted:This is a crazy loving time to be alive. You were at the rally too? I had to man a table but it was interesting how the people started marching without waiting for the organizers to tell them to march or whatever. I admire their initiative and consider it rather poor planning on the part of the organizers to have overloaded the event with too much talking and not enough demonstration.
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UW "Wall Building Coalition" resistance report: a skinhead who doxxed people on j20 got chased off at the most tense point, and he was basically the only person to show up. After that, we protested in front of the administration building because UW Pres. Cauce has been super lovely about addressing the fact that a school shooting happened. know the medic who saved the comrade's life by putting immediate pressure on the gunshot wound, it still messes with him to walk through Red Square and no counselling services or any administrative support has been offered to anyone. To make matters worse, her office received threats that people would get doxxed for being at the counterprotest, and didn't say anything about it. We only learned about it because it was leaked out of her office indirectly.
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Jan 30, 2017 23:15
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It'd also be real loving cool to like not spread the dude's name if you don't mind? Yeah it's out, but like, sources tied to him request that he not be identified so of you actually give a poo poo maybe you could respect his wishes?
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I mean, a guy I know who was part of the J20 protest at UW has been getting a lot of death threats and other similar things, and a few others who were part of it have also gotten various kinds of harassment, so it's not like they never follow through.
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anthonypants posted:Did you forget that the guy you're talking about was shot, with a gun, and that the shooter has faced literally zero consequences He is also a current student. To my knowledge, and I have been a fairly close observer of this sequence of events, he has not even faced any administrative penalties.
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Feb 14, 2017 23:38
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Lotta nazi posters were put up last night on UW campus. This isn't the first time. It angers me that they are becoming bolder.
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Doorknob Slobber posted:this is hosed up, I wish I still lived up there, I'd wander the campus at night watching for these fucks to take pictures of them I'm working with campus left groups to make sure 1. if caught, these people will face consequences (Cauce's being a real coward about making hard declarations here, but we are pushing her office on this point), and 2. that people are vigilant, and prepared to do as you say. I can't say much more about it without compromising strategy, but other things are also in the works. We are not planning on being idle about this.
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coyo7e posted:Again - sources? "again?" I'm not sure what you mean by that and I'm not exactly sure what you mean saying "sources" when I'm clearly reporting first hand and I'm also not sure why you find what I am telling to be so implausible when we had a guy loving shot by those types here, but take a look:     Satisfied?
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Jack2142 posted:True sorry for coming across like an rear end in a top hat. Homlessness and poverty are bad, the way alot of city resources get misallocated on the issue is bad ( not that resources shouldnt be allovated) however a huge amount of expensive police/fire/hospital resources are tied up dealing with issues that could be handled more effectively. On the flip side the cities plans dont seem like they will be terribly effective. 20,000 dollars were spent on paying cops to throw away the few meager possessions of homeless people near the Field of Dreams. 200 million dollars have been proposed for a jail for children on municipal funds. That is how the city is "misallocating" its money. Maybe go drink a nice tall glass of go gently caress yourself. Mr. Lobe fucked around with this message at 19:48 on Mar 9, 2017 |
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Mar 9, 2017 18:37
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Jack2142 posted:Yeah crazy people causing disturbences on transit totally dont eat up lots of time and money, disrupt service and make the system less reliable, riders fell unsafe etc. which makes people less likely to use the system which just adds to the cities lovely traffic. it's cool that your instincts are to be an rear end in a top hat and direct your disgust towards marginalized people rather than the lovely system which creates and sustains the conditions of their abjection and thus by extension your personal inconvenience
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twodot posted:So you prefer being angry at conceited people you don't even know to making progress towards your policy goals? yeah I'm sure he's just a handful of delicate sugar coated words away from becoming an impactful advocate of homeless policy I realize I am being very aggressive about this issue but I've been at the last couple of homeless sweeps first south of Ballard bridge, and then at the Field of Dreams, and it makes me mad as hell to see such pointless, wasteful and spiteful actions taken by the city. the political basis for them is rooted that kind of self-absorbed contempt for the downtrodden, and I have about zero patience for it. I think it should be called out for what it is. Mr. Lobe fucked around with this message at 02:56 on Mar 10, 2017 |
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Mar 10, 2017 02:34
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yeah I mean, do you think the civil rights movement would have gotten where it did if it delicately navigated around the racist attitudes of its nominal political allies, or by appealing to the self-interest of people with backwards attitudes when that self-interest happened to coincide with the interests of black liberation? im pretty sure that solidarity is a far more effective basis for a political movement, and you don't get to solidarity by tolerating chauvinism
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hey on a much more positive note, I'm pretty thrilled about this: http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/activist-nikkita-oliver-to-run-against-mayor-ed-murray/ nothing gives me more delight than thinking about the SPD squirming under a Mayor Oliver. murray's a piece of poo poo (for instance he has consistently refused to stop the homeless sweeps despite city councilors turning on the practice) and I'd be happy to see him go.
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nah see the road to the promised land is paved by the political momentum of self-interested assholes and the bit tongues of those who find their lovely attitudes toxic and a liability besides also criticism of said assholes is tantamount to thought policing and is counterproductive to "policy"
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Doorknob Slobber posted:whats even more fun is watching king county dems squirm with the notion that seattle might not have a dem mayor hell yeah! if we can get more socialists on city council too, even better. I remember hearing that someone was interested in running for one of the council seats. who knows, maybe this could be another stage in the infancy of an actual labor movement in US electoral politics.
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Jack2142 posted:Also in the spirit of trying to better understand issues are there some good sources on better understanding on what is going on? and what are some organizations people are involved in where I can try to help improve the situation instead of just griping about it? Tent City Collective is one of the best organizations that is doing concrete work to help the homeless. Largely based on UW, they still are very interested in aid from other people in the community who are willing to help out. Alongside them is the Stop the Sweeps movement, which is a grassroots political body that is actively fighting against municipal actions against the homeless. You could do a lot worse than getting involved with them. In addition, The Neighborhood Action Coalitions are an interesting case: they're a group that is split up by congressional district, so their politics vary, but some of the NACs do a lot of very good work, typically in collaboration with the two organizations listed above. But it's worth mentioning that in terms of spreading the Stop the Sweeps campaign, they have done some of the best work in getting the word out and getting people involved. They may be the best route of approach, though like I said, their politics are not necessarily uniform. If you are genuinely interested I'll make inquiries with the people I know who are more directly involved with them. George posted:I went to a Democratic Socialists event but they tend to be mostly in North Seattle on weeknights so it's all white dudes. I wouldn't mind hearing people's thoughts on where to put our energy. I myself am a member of the International Socialist Organization, which tends to be pretty well connected with the grassroots actions taking place in Seattle. It is through my ISO contacts that I know what I know. We're not that big, but our members tend to be very broadly knowledgeable and highly engaged. If homelessness is your specific point of focus then definitely check out the things I listed above, but if you'd like to get a better sense of what kinds of grassroots actions are taking place generally, you may find us worth checking out. I mean the DSA no ill in saying this (having comrades among them I work with on various things), but we also definitely aren't just a bunch of white dudes. Mr. Lobe fucked around with this message at 22:25 on Mar 10, 2017 |
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On that note, tomorrow there is a call to action by Seattle Clinic Defense to defend a Planned Parenthood in Everett tomorrow. The ISO will be doing support work out there (lots of ISO are part of the organizing body of Seattle Clinic Defense anyways) It's a counterprotest against the rotten sorts of people who would protest at Planned Parenthood. Evidently they've got some kind of a "40 days of life" event going on, and they've been ramping up their activity. man phone posting links to things to SA is such a pain, sorry for all the edits Mr. Lobe fucked around with this message at 22:28 on Mar 10, 2017 |
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Mar 10, 2017 22:19
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Jack2142 posted:Also in the spirit of trying to better understand issues are there some good sources on better understanding on what is going on? and what are some organizations people are involved in where I can try to help improve the situation instead of just griping about it? Oh one more thing, if you want to help make some homeless people's lives a hell of a lot miserable and maybe make some friends among anarchist and dissident types, you can also check out Food Not Bombs, who do some real good work getting food out to those who need it most. There's some very good people who work with them, some of whom are very dear to me.
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anthonypants posted:The DSA is an organization whose intent is to reform the Democrat party, and is not a political party. SA is a political party. What you say about the DSA is the historical strategy under Michael Harrington and has remained true until recently, but it seems that the DSA has been rebuilding itself and distancing itself from the Democratic party. What they are now and what they are becoming seems to be a little unclear, but there is an increasingly strong leftist caucus within the DSA that is trying to push it towards more radical politics. That being said, the DSA is indeed not a political party, whereas SA is. The International Socialist Organization is a revolutionary socialist organization that centers itself around grassroots activism and political education to try to help lay the groundwork for the emergence of a revolutionary political party that could actually smash the state apparatus. It has no pretension of being that party, however, and we consider this a long-term project. The ISO isn't very interested in electoral politics (which SA and even the current DSA definitely are) as much as it is union organizing (we're the main force behind the reform caucus of the teacher's union in Seattle, for instance) and street-level protest (we're also some of the main organizers behind Seattle Clinic Defense for instance) and political education (check out the publishing house we're attached to, Haymarket Books! also we have many recordings of radical thinkers here!) As to why we have different organizations, it's because our politics are different, our priorities are different, and we organize differently. That being said, socialist organizations can and historically have worked together on issues they share in common to good effect. Mr. Lobe fucked around with this message at 09:01 on Mar 14, 2017 |
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Error 404 posted:Well we work ok together when we're not too busy icepicking each other and killing Rosa Luxemburg. Yes, I really should have put a "sometimes" in there, haha.
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DevNull posted:Do you think ISO will endorse Nikkita Oliver? I will be pretty disappointed if SA doesn't endorse her, seeing that we have invited her on stage with us for events. Yeah, we talked about it at a branch meeting recently. Electoral politics may not be our focus, but we certainly are always willing to endorse politicians who we think are worthwhile. We're all thrilled she's running, she's done so much good work with so many things, and it's always a treat whenever she speaks at marches and events.
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Considering this is Mayor Homeless Sweeps himself, I wouldn't put it past him to take advantage of a youth in a bad position. While I am in no way thrilled with what Murray may have done, the silver lining of this is that it may help Nikkita Oliver a more compelling candidate to more people. There's a lot to be said for not having a sexual assault scandal on your political docket in an election cycle.
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anthonypants posted:https://twitter.com/CaseyJaywork/status/858017879769440256 woof they may be loving evil, but at least their competence can be measured on the level of "keystone kops"
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anthonypants posted:Tax revenues from weed are projected to raise $3m for the city of Portland, and the mayor wants to spend almost all of it on cops: http://www.portlandmercury.com/news/2017/05/10/19003564/hall-monitor-from-the-pot-shop-to-the-cop-shop Vile.
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An EMT I know is the best protest street medic I've ever met, and I would not hesitate to describe some of his work in that capacity as heroic and lifesaving. Maybe you just have a bad local sample you've drawn from?
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Peachfart posted:Having an issue with cops being shitheads on a constant basis is good and normal. Thinking cops are not literally people is hosed up and crazy. hey here is a thought, maybe that was a post using hyperbole to express significant contempt for cops generally, and not a literal statement about if cops are automata or something
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Hmm nah, cops are poo poo, the merciless shock troops of the ruling class and generally petty bullies besides, bureaucratic descendents of slave catchers and historical breakers of strikes and social movements who protect and serve no-one beneath the petit-bourgeois, it is good to speak ill of them
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Under capitalism, oppressive aspects of the police force are not bugs, but rather, features. Their role in the suppression, subjugation, and incarceration of the most disenfranchised of this nation serves both as a protective buffer to the wealthy and a means by which a certain portion of them line their pockets (prison labor is virtually slave labor, and you can be sure those profit margins are big). Nothing is more telling about their class loyalties than the marked difference with which the wealthy and poor are treated at every stage of law enforcement and the judicial process. Another thing to consider is that the increased militarization of the police in Seattle specifically is a product of the WTO protests in the late nineties, or in other words, a populist uprising against neoliberalism. As any activist with a basis of comparison anywhere else can tell you, the SPD to this day is one of the most forceful and militant in its response to mass action in this country. We will not likely see the disarmament of the police or their demilitarization so long as these things remain in the interest of the ruling class, at least not without a big fight. However, this fight is necessary for a better society, so wherever possible policies to disarm and defund the police should be pursued and fought for. The police are not an eternal institution in the course of human events, like I mentioned earlier in this thread, the bureaucratic origins of them as they exist now can be found in the slave catching patrols prior to the civil war. Quite frankly in an ideal society they would be abolished as they exist now in favor of community based methods of conflict resolution and defense.
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Peachfart posted:Okay, neat. Not sure what it had to do with the topic, but neat. People were talking about the pay of police force as if the thing that makes them good cops or bad cops is being bribed enough. That's a perspective completely blind the structural role their abuses play.
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therobit posted:I think that was a response to people complaining that police get paid better than fsdt food workers, and nobody was saying is it the only factor. Please visit a country where police and government workers are underpaid and tell me it doesn't have an effect on corruption. Even if it's true that paying them less could encourage worse behaviors, you can't pay them into being good, is what I am trying to say. Many of the bad things cops do serve the interests of the ruling class, and thus will always be implicitly encouraged by existing power structures. edited for clarity Mr. Lobe fucked around with this message at 15:20 on May 17, 2017 |
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