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George
Nov 27, 2004

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Mr. Lobe posted:

I was at the UW protest against Milo with Antifa, and know the guy who got shot through a friend. He's a member of the IWW. The rear end in a top hat who shot him claims "self-defense", but I'm telling you, he totally could have walked away if he really wanted to. Guns aren't even allowed on campus anyways, so he shouldn't have been packing if he was going to the Milo event.

Anyway, the guy who got shot is a good dude and there's a medical fund for him

Came here to post this; it turns out he's a relative of mine, so thanks for doing the needful.

Early signs show he's going to be ok, but I don't have all the details and am still worried. Given the nature of the shitbag he was protesting they're trying to keep a lid on things but help if you can, even if "just" by doing more to fight this poo poo.

Pretty sure I saw a goon name or two in the donation feed, so serious thanks all 'round.

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George
Nov 27, 2004

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anthonypants posted:

Get leftist candidates for every available Democrat seat up for election in 2018.

It's this. The Democrats are arguing over the morality of punching Nazis while my cousin was shot by one.

gently caress 'em. They aren't going to do a god drat thing for us. Replace them.

George
Nov 27, 2004

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If you're convinced that you're talking to a "good cop" (and you wanting to gently caress her doesn't count, that's unconscionable) the only correct way to make them feel is "like doing something about the bad ones". We need help from them, and they knew the job of protecting us was dangerous even if they didn't anticipate it would mean from their coworkers.

George
Nov 27, 2004

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Relevant Tangent posted:

Wanting to sleep with a cop isn't unconscionable unless you've de-humanized cops so much they're not people.

I was saying that it's unconscionable to assume a cop is good because you want to gently caress her.

George
Nov 27, 2004

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Please don't tell any more white people how nice Seattle is.

George
Nov 27, 2004

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Looks like he was 22 hooking up with a 17-year-old. What blows my mind is "sodomy charges" in TYOOL 2017.

George
Nov 27, 2004

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I'm sure everyone here who donated to my cousin's medical crowd funding did so either anonymously or pseudonymously, but you should know that Milo's swarm is doxxing people whose names are on the donor list.

George fucked around with this message at 01:12 on Feb 15, 2017

George
Nov 27, 2004

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He's still in and out of ICU. I'd also like for him to not have been named but like it's already in this thread and everything so I dunno if I should still be cagey about it when everyone who wants to hurt him already has all his info.

UW Campus Police are sworn SPD officers and this broke campus policy and the loving law. They let him walk on an easily-disproven lie and he's still free. Nobody needs to press charges here, the cops have the weapon and witnesses.

George
Nov 27, 2004

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anthonypants posted:

And I hope he gets to sue both the school and the SPD.

loving word. And I agree that it's up to us now to force the cops to do their loving job. Maybe we should talk to our city councilwoman.

George
Nov 27, 2004

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If you're trying to understand these people Hannah Arrendt is a good resource. Here's a neat intro:

https://qz.com/906101/modern-philosophy-shows-that-most-atrocities-are-committed-by-normal-people-not-evil-ones/

George
Nov 27, 2004

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Gonna stay vague, but finally got some good news about the victim. Thanks for all the support everyone.

George
Nov 27, 2004

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This thread:

George
Nov 27, 2004

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He's pretty good for a Washington Democrat. Not remotely good enough to redeem the party after its abject failure to do poo poo for us.

George
Nov 27, 2004

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Don't worry, they'll find a legal way to make it only apply to black people.

Also it's worth pointing out that "states' rights" is a boilerplate smokescreen for both sides. We need progressive policy and we want it to come from Federal sources but we're quick to rely on local policy when we need to.

I'm not trying to pull some South Park "both sides are dummies get on my level" bullshit here, it's just that we need to understand that these arguments over jurisdiction are never the actual thing in dispute. It's usually poo poo like basic loving human rights.

George
Nov 27, 2004

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DrNutt posted:

Jesus Christ. My Facebook feed right now is basically a who's who of white privileged assholes bitching about the new car tabs paying for the "bum trolleys" and surmising that only poor people voted for ST3. gently caress these assholes.

Get off Facebook and/or get new friends and family.

George
Nov 27, 2004

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Jack2142 posted:

Seriously thought the homeless people in this city don't really scare me, but its annoying riding the bus etc. next to someone who smells like death, or is batshit crazy and tweaking, holding up the bus because they don't want to pay and want to get in a fight with the poor bus driver or some other random fucker which then calls the cops and you are now late to/from work, or they pass out for ~reasons~ and now an ambulance needs to show up and take them to the ER.

Poor baby.

George
Nov 27, 2004

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It's worse than that. I work for Parks and Rec, and we literally had a meeting where they explained that we were part of the city's homelessness strategy. Which is to say parks are the only facilities they get and good luck making that work well for anyone.

This poo poo isn't complicated: if you want the homeless out of the way you give them homes.

George
Nov 27, 2004

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Jack2142 posted:

Unhelpful lashing out wont make anyone reconsider anything and just double down on their views.

We're being harsh, but you don't get to pull this act. Your moral and societal education is your responsibility, not ours. You're welcome for the hand-out.

I love how all the folks who complain about the homeless would come out ahead if we built free homes for them but it's more important to punish people for having the temerity to be poor.

George
Nov 27, 2004

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I went to a Democratic Socialists event but they tend to be mostly in North Seattle on weeknights so it's all white dudes. I wouldn't mind hearing people's thoughts on where to put our energy.

George
Nov 27, 2004

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Mr. Lobe posted:

I myself am a member of the International Socialist Organization, which tends to be pretty well connected with the grassroots actions taking place in Seattle. It is through my ISO contacts that I know what I know. We're not that big, but our members tend to be very broadly knowledgeable and highly engaged. If homelessness is your specific point of focus then definitely check out the things I listed above, but if you'd like to get a better sense of what kinds of grassroots actions are taking place generally, you may find us worth checking out. I mean the DSA no ill in saying this (having comrades among them I work with on various things), but we also definitely aren't just a bunch of white dudes.

Yeah I'm not trying to throw too much shade. They're good folks doing more than I have been and I saw some upcoming events that are a bit more spread out, but I've noticed in photos from the DSA's membership surge around the country that it's 99.9% white and I've finally started to notice poo poo like that.

George
Nov 27, 2004

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Shiroc posted:

I'm not arguing that the Seattle DSA doesn't have a lot of white dudes, but saying it is all white dudes is really inaccurate.

Look, it was really reductive of me and also an indication of my insecurities as a white dude from North Seattle, but given the current climate I'm gonna look around the room and worry about whose interests I'm fighting for. I know I'm being precious but it's not something I want to ignore anymore.

George
Nov 27, 2004

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Shiroc posted:

The actions that the SDSA has been involved in has been fighting against the homeless sweeps, being present at immigration and BLM protests, donation drive for Mary's Place and supporting the Transit Riders Union's tax initiative. It is also a fairly new chapter, so things are in motion and there is a lot of opportunity to get people together on things. I think you should be willing to reconsider it, but if you're going to look around the room and decide that there aren't enough non-white men for your standards and not want to do anything with the group, then that's up to you.

I pay into SDSA monthly and still push it to people. I just want to make sure I'm not living in a bubble.

George
Nov 27, 2004

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Seattle is pretty white but it's not Portland. Its biggest issue is segregation, which is why someone living in parts of it could be forgiven for thinking so.

George
Nov 27, 2004

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Ballard and Phinney are way whiter than they were when I was growing up there in the 80s and 90s. Northgate is ever the North's smokescreen, being less white while still having very few black people.

I work in Queen Anne, and it's wall-to-wall bougie neoliberalism but at least it's halfway diverse in TYOOL 2017.

George
Nov 27, 2004

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Is all I'm saying.

George
Nov 27, 2004

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Reminder that if you aren't following Ijeoma Oluo you're a bad Seattleite.

George
Nov 27, 2004

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gently caress.

George
Nov 27, 2004

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Itachi posted:

Seattle folks, there's an action planned on the 31st to respond to the shooting on J20 and the proliferation of neo-nazi bullshit on campus and nearby.

Awesome, thanks for the heads-up.

George
Nov 27, 2004

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xrunner posted:

Not to mention the fact that even when you try to hold them accountable juries will just hang themselves letting the cop walk.

This is in part because jurors are rejected if they've ever had a negative interaction with a cop.

George
Nov 27, 2004

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What I'd like to see are rules requiring apodment complexes to invest like 25% of the money they save by not providing parking in mass transit and bike infrastructure, since these are both used as justification despite being currently inadequate. Then as the city gets denser we get to have nice things.

It would also be nice for them to actually be affordable.

George
Nov 27, 2004

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Vacancy tax is increasingly important for us to implement. Didn't Vancouver finally implement one? I'm concerned that would put extra pressure on Seattle.

George
Nov 27, 2004

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Senor P. posted:

I still think this is an East vs. West problem. How many rich people live in say the greater Seattle area compared to East of the cascades? How much money is anchored on that rich enclave, Mercer Island? The fact of the matter, most of the money is on the West Side.

With the exception of wineries, electricity, and Hanford. The East ain't got poo poo. (There are a few small time manufacturing operations and mining, but not a lot.) Most of Washington's trade goes West across the Pacific Ocean, or South to California.

Farm country and tumbleweeds are not exactly flush with cash.

You are correct that a state income tax would be a greater burden on Western Washington than Eastern vs. sales and property taxes. I think we all agree the fat cats in Mercer Island need to pay their fair share to support the state at large.

George
Nov 27, 2004

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Yeah folks need to chill about this. I sympathize with his point that not all $70k incomes are created equal but it's so easy to abuse what he's proposing that I think the solution has to lie elsewhere in the tax code.

George
Nov 27, 2004

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I'm relatively new to this thread and already respect a lot of the posters here but it's true that there's lots of sophistry and hasty attacks.

Sometimes people express themselves halfway. Get clarification and meet them halfway before jumping on something they arguably didn't mean through bright-eyed pedantry.

There's enough actual garbage in this thread to point out.

George
Nov 27, 2004

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FRINGE posted:

Hey look humans might do better when they dont live in ant nests.


https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26847844

Countdown until all goons claim to be the super-intelligent outliers.

Come for the evopsych, stay for the IQ tests!

It's like racist pseudoscience bingo.

George
Nov 27, 2004

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A glorious, unblemished scrotum for Seattle mayor.

George
Nov 27, 2004

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Democrats hate the working class, news at 11.

George
Nov 27, 2004

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punk rebel ecks posted:

So I have a random question for Seattle goons. Are there a fair amount of government jobs in the city?

Yes, but our interview process is a shameful farce and it can be hard to get past intermittent status and into real employment. My experience is just with Parks, but once you get in it's a comfortable union job with some good paths upward. Feel free to PM me with questions.

George
Nov 27, 2004

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I feel like I'm being incinerated just reading that.

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George
Nov 27, 2004

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Murray emailed city employees today that he's not seeking reelection. This just got real interesting.

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