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M_Gargantua
Oct 16, 2006

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Anyone ever hear of the Chief of Naval Personal Identity Force before?

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M_Gargantua
Oct 16, 2006

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Laranzu posted:

You got some mail too?

Yep, hadn't even opened the letter yet and looking at the visible logo and PO box return address just makes my brain scream SCAM

M_Gargantua
Oct 16, 2006

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Anyone hear about a man overboard yesterday on the USS Stethem near china?

M_Gargantua
Oct 16, 2006

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Always elevate your complaints, never let yourself get hosed over. Big navy doesn't appreciate when local staff fucks over sailors and ruin retention rates. Either Admin gives you your money or you file some official complaints.

M_Gargantua
Oct 16, 2006

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1337_ScriptKiddie posted:

My Chief told me about the special table in the tree fort for non-chiefs. I just can't believe that is in my career path if I wanted to stay in. They will will never trick me again. E-6 for lyf.

You mean you get a private table in the private club! Bottle service

M_Gargantua
Oct 16, 2006

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LingcodKilla posted:

Jesus Christ I'm not a monster.

Ehh being a nuke after getting out is more finding ways to tastefully turn down all the extra lucrative job offers

M_Gargantua
Oct 16, 2006

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FrozenVent posted:

Why the heck is the navy having the same people stand OOW/OOD and EOW?

In the commercial world, those are two completely different career tracks, with two (almost) completely different four year teaching curriculum and certification requirements. Also the engineering folks stop sailing after four years and make fat stacks ashore :iiam:

Because the engineering officers do no engineering and that is up to enlisted who are good at their jobs. Once you qualify you're doing deck poo poo and get to keep the vague idea of whats happening underneath/behind you.

M_Gargantua
Oct 16, 2006

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If I ever get the chance I want to buy TVS all the drinks. Reading that report was worth it.

M_Gargantua
Oct 16, 2006

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I'm seeing it reported she was struck on the port side.

Hope it's not bad

M_Gargantua
Oct 16, 2006

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Straight of Malacca is madness. Not as bad as a place but probably the second worst I've seen. Heading toward Singapore at night time you can see the thousands of lights on all the tankers chilling out south of the port.

M_Gargantua
Oct 16, 2006

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My suggestion. Grab a bunch of submarine O-3 who have no preconceptions about what surface life is supposed to be like, have them spend a week on a ship, observing watchstanding and auditing maintenance & paperwork, and write up reports on what they saw. That outside persepextive will notice some critical flaws. I'd guarantee it. Identify those flaws then a few months later come back and use the same system to go shop by ship and retrain and audit.

Signs of issues:

"That wouldn't work because subs aren't swos"
"That only works for submarines because they have small crew sizes"
"I don't want to have ORSE equivalents on my ship that's too much work"

M_Gargantua
Oct 16, 2006

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Blackchamber posted:

Ok but at the end of it how do you trick them to going back to their underwater fart coffin?

Because Sub life it turns out is way better than being a scrub on a destroyer dealing with extra dumb sailors.

Sub life is great

M_Gargantua
Oct 16, 2006

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ded posted:

The only time we did not do drills was when we were doing special stuff during westpac. And there are some skippers that even run drills during those times.

We did drill walkthroughs when we couldn't do them for real. You'd act it out and talk through it. Stopping to make comments or ask questions or to announce that ~thing~ took place and enough time had passed to move on. Unsurprisingly at first nobody took them seriously and they were useless but two months in we were bored enough to do them sarcasticly. Doing them sarcasticly after two months turned us into dramatic stage actors at four months

and at the end of that deployment ORSE workup was a cakewalk and we got an Excellent, an E, and a NUC.

System works when people participate.

M_Gargantua
Oct 16, 2006

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ManMythLegend posted:

This is unsurprising to me as at an all hands call here in Sasebo he also admitted to a few thousand Sailors that he didn't know what "PMS" was so...

That's even more dumb then I was imagining him being.

Williamson also sounds like an idiot.

Maybe there's a trend there.

M_Gargantua
Oct 16, 2006

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maffew buildings posted:

I can't even begin to tell you how many man hours we lose in the Bees due to not knowing bowlines

Son let me explain the bowlines and the bees to you.

You see when an idiot enlisted and a stripper love each other very much they start getting ideas about knots in the barracks room...

M_Gargantua
Oct 16, 2006

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Because the Navy refuses to spec a ship that will handle all the low intensity stuff and doesn't need all the expensive electronics and gadgets and weapons.

Think about the LCS

M_Gargantua
Oct 16, 2006

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Mr. Nice! posted:

The gently caress is the point of a warship that can't go to war?

ISR, anti piracy, search and rescue, assured access, etc.

What were the point of escort carriers that couldn't take a hit and didn't have any anti-ship munitions to put on their planes?

The Navy keeps trying to make everything a front line warship with radar and ECM and ~multirole~

M_Gargantua fucked around with this message at 15:40 on Aug 24, 2017

M_Gargantua
Oct 16, 2006

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I wanna get into procurement and maybe improve some small part of the system. Increment the counter toward long term solutions.

M_Gargantua
Oct 16, 2006

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Godholio posted:

The problem with cheap and expendable is that anti-ship missiles are cheaper and more expendable. And if your cheap and expendable ship can't effectively protect itself, welp, I hope the crew was cheap and expendable too.

And a swarm of anti-ship missiles is still cheaper and more expendable than a DDG?

The only way to stop offense is to strike first

M_Gargantua
Oct 16, 2006

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Yes, but you can use it to free up a DDG to be useful doing real work. If your worried about somolli pirates having anti-ship missiles then you're not setting realistic goals for what you expect ships to handle. A DDG is a billion dollars of overkill and extra upkeep for accomplishing a lot of low intensity tasking.

M_Gargantua
Oct 16, 2006

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My contention is that EW and RAM are superfluous to the job a cheap navy ship should actually be doing.

If you wanna purchase a low observable litoral strike craft for opposed shorelines then that's a different mission set then the LCS has or is designed for. If you want to have a platform for low intensity long loiter surveillance. Hell you could have a nice VLS truck that is solely designed to rack 40 missiles for C2 for a DDG or air platform that has the targeting sensors. VLS tubes are cheap, radar and fire control is not.

M_Gargantua
Oct 16, 2006

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Two Finger posted:

They were pretty good at holding off superior Jap fleets.

thats my point, I was being sarcastic

Taffy 3 was the bomb

M_Gargantua
Oct 16, 2006

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Local hydraulic override

M_Gargantua
Oct 16, 2006

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piL posted:

Any advice for Guam night stuff that isn't a strip club?

Bucket list skinny dipping every beach on the west side late at night. Also do go to the parts where the locals hate non-locals.

Mac and Martys is probably still there and good, they have inside out burgers and good beers. Churascos is the Brazilian BBQ all you can eat.

M_Gargantua
Oct 16, 2006

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LordNad posted:

You guys forgot shooting. Tons of indoor gun ranges.

Almost as overpriced as the strip clubs

And the strip clubs may get a bad rap but once you know how to not get fleeced they're better than any other stipclubs on American soil.

Plus everybody in the service industry on island knows everybody else. Bartenders, DJs, strippers, if you start making friends there are some seriously excellent groups of people to hang with. Which groups you hang out with depends on if your more leaning toward "drunken beaches, boats, and beer runs" vs "drunken bacchanals". So make friends with everyone.

If you really just need a good recommendation asap head up to gun beach and chill there. Got a bar and volleyball courts, grab swim trunks or just skinny dip once the day crowd and tourists leave and the latenight crowd starts encouraging shenanigans

Guam is the island of misfit children. Take that into account and just flow with it as long as you can keep a clear head to not get a DUI or show up to work drunk.

M_Gargantua
Oct 16, 2006

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piL posted:

Any advice for Guam night stuff that isn't a strip club?

On a side note are you on guam as a single sailor or are you in a separate social bin?

M_Gargantua
Oct 16, 2006

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Jimmy4400nav posted:

It wasn't all bad though, we found out our CO likes to goof around on reddit, and to tie into ORM he gave a ten minute speech spoiling the ending of the Game of Thrones season finale, so that was kind of fun.

Much worse than your CO goofing around on SA :smug:

M_Gargantua
Oct 16, 2006

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Lou Takki posted:

The old timers in my office keep saying the reason the Fitz and the McCain collisions happened is because the COs don't yell at the OODs like they used to in the old days :rolleyes:.

I snapped today and said you fuckers haven't been on a ship in 3 decades, what the gently caress do you know?

I recommend yelling at them better than 80s OODs did.

M_Gargantua
Oct 16, 2006

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Howard Phillips posted:

Hey guys I'm in grad school now. I wake up at whenever I want everyday as my classes are in the afternoon. Walking into campus everyday is a blessing because even if something sucks I still get to stare at co-eds.

Going to grad school for free is insane. In fact I'm getting paid to go to school. Always thought the GI Bill was a good deal but when you see the paycheck for your BAH in your bank account and you had to pay $0 to attend to a world class research institution, it's a great feeling. Thank you Uncle Sam!

Hopefully your college is more social than mine, and I hope you learn something.

M_Gargantua fucked around with this message at 16:42 on Aug 31, 2017

M_Gargantua
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Howard Phillips posted:

What was your experience?

State college that is about as effective as an engineering degree mill, lots of entitled kids who give no fucks but get passed through with 2.8 or lower GPAs, no social life on campus and no one who commits to interesting clubs. Pretty much I learned how to do Calculus better and then added some of that math to electrical stuff I had already learned far more effectively as a Nuke.

M_Gargantua
Oct 16, 2006

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LordNad posted:

Sounds like a boat command.

Lol what boat has time to give out 96's, let alone 72's.

M_Gargantua
Oct 16, 2006

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Dr. Arbitrary posted:

Even the busiest commands can find a way to make do without a person for an hour and a half.

Well yeah, I'd walk off the pier with a binder in my arms and go gently caress around on my phone for an hour and a half sometimes when there was nothing going on besides 'be here'

M_Gargantua
Oct 16, 2006

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ded posted:

What?? No more short shorts?

I had to wear navy PT gear and my rear end is nice enough to support Marine silkies

M_Gargantua
Oct 16, 2006

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LingcodKilla posted:

The new track suit is replacing the hoody and matching pants.

I was asked if I would wash them twice and dry them while ignoring the cleaning instructions to see if they shrink when the average sailor gets a hold of them.

I really like my boss.

Ok sure.... just tell your boss about making Marine silkies an approved uniform item for warm climates

M_Gargantua
Oct 16, 2006

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We got good because we were doing continual low intensity training all the time that wasn't occupied with actual stuff. I saw the shift from mediocre to excellent over 4 years. It was 100% a culture shift as people actually started being optimistic and motivated. Toxic people left or changed, newer people had solid qualification processes. By the end people knew their poo poo enough to know when to say no, knew enough to solve emergent issues, and could be trusted to not be shitbags. Most importantly when people were delegated tasks they were left to them without micromanagement (because they were trusted) and feeling that responsibility they rose to the challenge (Because they weren't badly trained and felt confident and important.) Feeling competent and important really seemed to be the truing point.

Although my favorite pre-deployment training was conducting ISR on the Catalina island Jazz festival as a few people with sail boats kept trying to find us and get the smallest CPA they could manage. The sea lanes around there are packed and they still weren't the worst we saw. I'm convinced the lot of them were actively competing, they would do 180 degree turns and wave ribbons while plowing right toward the scope.

Null Integer posted:

Boats are gay, lol if your still in.

100 sailors go under and cry themselves to sleep in each others arms as 20 jodies float through base housing.

M_Gargantua
Oct 16, 2006

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Yeah once again submarines are superior to all targets :smuggo:

M_Gargantua
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LingcodKilla posted:

I still can't believe you recognized me in MEPS.

My RDC was in goonfleet, He had an Eve screenshot background on his computer and I called him on it.

M_Gargantua
Oct 16, 2006

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Phanatic posted:

What happens to ARPA when you're in an environment where you're trying not to radiate?

How do submarines not hit anything when the other ships are completely ignorant of their location 10ft below the waves?

same question, similar answer.

M_Gargantua
Oct 16, 2006

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Also wanna make the point that in a ~war scenario~ Anything you're picking up coming toward you using an X band is a small boat (which probably needs to be blown up I guess, don't do 40knots with a 0cpa) Surface search radars don't have any use against real threats posed by enemy surface combatants at expected engagement ranges. Every weapon we care about is pretty much an OTH antiship missile. (Not breaking any NDAs here, theyve said this in plenty of public disclosures)

Hence, navy ships have Sperrys for navigation alone and dont give a gently caress about radiating during non-operations.

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Oct 16, 2006

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ded posted:

Every skipper of a Sub has been an Engineer at some point. So thats not quite a true statement.

We didn't have a "crash". That Japanese fishing boat was just spying in the wrong place when we did an emergency surfacing from depth.

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