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Nick Soapdish: Apr 27, 2008

Nostalgia4Ass posted:

How are you posting on SA from the ship? I got blasted the first time I loaded the site.

Lol if you weren't part of the RC exempt list

# ¿ Oct 30, 2017 04:14

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# ¿ May 10, 2024 19:02

Nick Soapdish: Apr 27, 2008

Hi, go Intel or go IT. That's all. Figure out how you want to do something post Navy.

# ¿ Nov 5, 2017 05:54

Nick Soapdish: Apr 27, 2008

Red Crown posted:

From my slim, slim perspective I can say that enlisting as an intelligence specialist or IT will give you a better shot at being treated like an adult than most other rates. If you bother not to be an absolute shitpile as an IS there will be many post-enlistment opportunities for you. Take the job they don't have to pay people extra to do.

IS is the best rate. Seriously, tell your recruiter to gently caress off unless he gives you an IS quota.

Edit: Phone posting, he's the Kiwi working on the yacht.

# ¿ Nov 5, 2017 15:19

Nick Soapdish: Apr 27, 2008

And when you do finally decide to end it, please do it on your own. Don't suicide by rent-a-cop or charge the Quarterdeck watch or something where you destroy someone else's life.

# ¿ Nov 7, 2017 21:57

Nick Soapdish: Apr 27, 2008

Billzasilver posted:

Different subject, I know CEC expects 4 years active and 4 years reserve. Can I do the reserve part first? I recently saw that I might be able to do reserves and a state department job at the same time. I passed half of the state department application testing before I had to withdraw for personal matters, so I have a really solid chance with it.

No, you do the active part first. The only other way is to go from the street to commission is to get a direct commission in the reserve as a CEC O.

Edit: ^ Seriously, for the dumb soon-to-be nuke guy, I will give my last pitch to go intel or some at least some brand of crypto. Just find something in the Information Warfare rates, you could be a weather observer as an AG

Nick Soapdish fucked around with this message at 19:20 on Nov 8, 2017

# ¿ Nov 8, 2017 19:17

Nick Soapdish: Apr 27, 2008

ManMythLegend posted:

They also have a flight attendant MOS.

Dealing with AMC personnel on the way down range was basically seeing a uniformed equivalent to the same people I saw in Real Life traveling for business. It was weird.

# ¿ Nov 9, 2017 00:48

Nick Soapdish: Apr 27, 2008

LingcodKilla posted:

I just saw a chiefs pea coat for the first time today and omg I'm buying one for civilian wear. Gonna get rid of the dumb gold buttons first.

Then it is just a pea coat? Or did I just :thejoke:

# ¿ Nov 9, 2017 05:05

Nick Soapdish: Apr 27, 2008

LingcodKilla posted:

Nah it goes down to the knees. It's loving big pimping.

I may really love pea coats.

Ohhh its the officers bridge coat! Still love it.

Yeah, that's what I thought you were referencing. I changed my pea coat from blueshirt to Chief via changing the buttons to gold so was confused.

# ¿ Nov 9, 2017 05:17

Nick Soapdish: Apr 27, 2008

I forgot how much of a racket the uniform shop is for sewing things on. $10 for getting a warfare device sewed on.

# ¿ Nov 17, 2017 19:09

Nick Soapdish: Apr 27, 2008

Lou Takki posted:

LOL, are you going to a NEX or something?

If you're anywhere near a military base, there are 100+ tailors and uniform specialists in strip malls waiting to do a better job for a better price.

It's an aafes and I am gun-shy of using off base since last time they gently caress up real bad and didn't realize until next drill.

Nothing PRT in the books, have a burger and fries at the airport before flying home.

# ¿ Nov 20, 2017 00:15

Nick Soapdish: Apr 27, 2008

Laranzu posted:

That's really strange. Normally the off base joints are infinitely more competent than the on base one.

The off base was near an Army post so, don't think they saw a lot of us around.

# ¿ Nov 20, 2017 00:19

Nick Soapdish: Apr 27, 2008

You're hosed; don't be an idiot; hth.

# ¿ Nov 24, 2017 05:26

Nick Soapdish: Apr 27, 2008

Thanksgiving at the In Laws Thoughts: Top Gun is still a great movie. The speech at the beginning of Top Gun saying "we aren't at war but need to prepare to be" is so 80s since after Desert Storm we haven't stopped.

# ¿ Nov 24, 2017 18:59

Nick Soapdish: Apr 27, 2008

LingcodKilla posted:

Go shave that nasty face.

Tom of Finland doesn't need to follow anyone's standards

# ¿ Dec 4, 2017 02:53

Nick Soapdish: Apr 27, 2008

Open up, Health and Wellness Inspection

# ¿ Dec 4, 2017 19:50

Nick Soapdish: Apr 27, 2008

Nostalgia4Dogges posted:

https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-navy/2017/12/08/sailor-staged-racist-vandalism-navy-says/

Like any internet article, don't read the comments.

# ¿ Dec 8, 2017 20:59

Nick Soapdish: Apr 27, 2008

Dr. Arbitrary posted:

I was thinking the other day about how everyone seemed to know a story about a woman who faked claims of being raped for some reason.

Now I'm wondering how many times someone really was raped, and then a bunch of chiefs laid down a huge guilt trip about how they were ruining the career of a fine sailor and that it's going to leave a family homeless.

We've all heard stories about families that have the creepy uncle that you don't want to leave alone with the kids, but nobody wants him to go to jail. Why would a Navy family be any different?

Best advice was from the :chiefsay:

of our schoolhouse, paraphrasing what he said that "just because Jimmy from the block is wearing the uniform doesn't mean that he won't do dumb poo poo or act the way he did before. Lock up your stuff and look out for each other."

# ¿ Dec 8, 2017 22:55

Nick Soapdish: Apr 27, 2008

Null Integer posted:

Here's the new video with our "New Catchy Tagline" that will last for a generation and not die in 2 years.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qtAnL3tB5A

We go through mottos like Lenny goes through rabbits.

No Gator Navy :colbert:

When Global Force For Good first came out, I had submitted an award for one of my Sailor's and used that since, you know #branding, and my N2 refused to believe I wasn't just loving with her using that phrase.

# ¿ Dec 11, 2017 18:03

Nick Soapdish: Apr 27, 2008

Fred Dawes posted:

Leaving for boot camp this week as AECF. Glad I didn't go as a nuke. See you in a few months!

Get ready to shovel snow, boot.

# ¿ Dec 13, 2017 02:46

Nick Soapdish: Apr 27, 2008

Jimmy4400nav posted:

If they give you black boots get extra polish, salt from de-icing chewed mine up bad.

Yeah, salt will gently caress up those black boots. Back in 2010, getting off an LCU to Haiti through the salt water caused me to have to actually use some boot black for the first time in years.

# ¿ Dec 13, 2017 03:54

Nick Soapdish: Apr 27, 2008

LingcodKilla posted:

Anchors away shipmate.

It's aweight, shipmate, anchors aweight

# ¿ Dec 14, 2017 04:09

Nick Soapdish: Apr 27, 2008

LingcodKilla posted:

Got a link?

Also my detailer better get back to me soon.

http://www.public.navy.mil/bupers-npc/reference/messages/Documents/NAVADMINS/NAV2017/NAV17288.txt

# ¿ Dec 14, 2017 15:53

Nick Soapdish: Apr 27, 2008

PneumonicBook posted:

No lack of professionalism there considering his position lol.

Get in now!

At least it isn't like he was talking about joining a multilevel marketing scheme where they'd profit from him joining. BitCoin is still a ponzi scheme and all the people joining now are just blowing the bubble bigger.

# ¿ Dec 14, 2017 19:21

Nick Soapdish: Apr 27, 2008

At least he brought you coffee

# ¿ Dec 14, 2017 19:46

Nick Soapdish: Apr 27, 2008

PneumonicBook posted:

Is this an official NETC class? Because if it is there's a lot of ways to get that dudes dick slapped if you were so inclined.

Wait a minute, I missed that portion, is the Chief teaching your course or is he a student?

# ¿ Dec 14, 2017 20:00

Nick Soapdish: Apr 27, 2008

PneumonicBook posted:

Hmm... sounds like you need to meet more chiefs...

# ¿ Dec 14, 2017 21:33

Nick Soapdish: Apr 27, 2008

#NotAll

# ¿ Dec 15, 2017 00:03

Nick Soapdish: Apr 27, 2008

New PRT changes are out http://www.public.navy.mil/bupers-npc/reference/messages/Documents/NAVADMINS/NAV2017/NAV17304.txt

quote:

UNCLASSIFIED
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NAVADMIN 304/17

MSGID/GENADMIN CNO WASHINGTON DC/N1/DEC//

SUBJ/PHYSICAL READINESS PROGRAM POLICY CHANGE//

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NARR/REF A IS OPNAVINST 6110.1J, PHYSICAL READINESS PROGRAM.
REF B IS NAVPERS 15560D, NAVAL MILITARY PERSONNEL MANUAL.
REF C IS BUPERSINST 1610.10D, NAVY PERFORMANCE EVALUATION SYSTEMS.
REF D IS BUPERSINST 1430.16F CH-1, ADVANCEMENT MANUAL FOR ENLISTED PERSONNEL
IN THE U.S. NAVY AND U.S. NAVY RESERVE.
REF E IS SECNAVINST 1920.6C CH-5, ADMINISTRATIVE SEPARATION OF OFFICERS.//

RMKS/1. This NAVADMIN announces revised Physical Readiness Program
separation policies. Adjustments to Physical Readiness Program policies
reflect a continued emphasis to invest in and retain our most important
resource, our Sailors. Retention of every capable Sailor is critical to the
operational readiness of the Navy. The goal of the Navys physical readiness
program is to maintain a minimum prescribed level of fitness necessary for
world-wide deployment and to maintain a Sailors long-term health and
wellness. Revisions to references (a), (b), and (c) are forthcoming and will
be published at a later date.

2. Effective immediately:
a. All commands will discontinue processing members for separation as a
result of Physical Fitness Assessment (PFA) failures. Separation orders
resulting from PFA failures prior to Soft End of Active Obligated Service
(SEAOS) with approved dates after 31 March 2018 are cancelled. Officers with
approved separation orders for PFA failure with a directed separation date
prior to 1 March 2018 can request their separation orders be cancelled in
order to remain in the Navy by contacting PERS-834, subject to Secretary of
Navy (SECNAV) approval.
b. MILPERSMAN 1910-170, Separation by Reason of PFA Failure, is
cancelled.

3. The following applies to all enlisted members:
a. Enlisted members who:
(1) Fail one PFA will:
(a) Be issued a NAVPERS 1070/613 via Navy Standard Integrated
Personnel System (NSIPS) to inform them of the PFA failure.
(b) Be enrolled in the Fitness Enhancement Program (FEP) until
passing the next official PFA.
(c) Not be frocked or advanced. Members may regain eligibility
for promotion by passing a command-directed monthly FEP mock PFA. However,
they must still remain enrolled in FEP until passing the next official PFA.
(2) Fail two or more consecutive PFAs will continue service until
SEAOS. Additionally these members:
(a) Will be ineligible for advancement under reference (a).
(b) Will be ineligible to reenlist or extend under reference (b).
(c) Will receive an adverse report that states Significant
Problems on evaluation under reference (c).
(d) Will be detailed as required. Changes to any program that
has specific PFA requirements will be announced via revision to its governing
instruction.
(e) May regain eligibility for advancement and reenlistment by
passing one subsequent official PFA. In line with references (c) and (d),
members must obtain the recommendation of their CO for advancement and
retention on their most recent evaluation. This may require a special
evaluation to restore retention or advancement recommendations after a member
passes an official PFA.
b. For those members who currently have approved separation or Fleet
Reserve dates as a result of the previous PFA separation policy, the
following information and guidelines are provided:
(1) Members who currently have approved separation dates not aligned
to their SEAOS on or before 31 March 2018 must contact their chain of command
and decide no later than 1 February 2018 whether to cancel their
separation/reserve orders and remain on active duty or execute their orders
as originally planned. Every effort will be made to retain Sailors who
desire to stay Navy.
(2) Enlisted members with SEAOS between 1 January 2018 and 30 June
2018 who are ineligible for retention or cannot submit a Career Waypoints (C-
WAY) application due to adverse evaluations as a result of past PFA failure
history and desire to stay Navy are authorized an extension to regain
eligibility with command endorsement as follows:
(a) Requested extension length should be of sufficient duration
to allow for processing of a future special evaluation and application in C-
WAY (if applicable), but must not exceed 30 September 2018.
(b) Because this is an exception to policy, this action will not
require a C-WAY quota (if applicable).
(c) Once the member successfully passes the official Cycle 1,
2018 PFA, and has retention eligibility restored from the CO, the member can
submit their reenlistment/extension request directly to their CO, or Bureau
of Naval Personnel (BUPERS) Enlisted Community Manager (BUPERS-32) for
enlisted members who must use C-WAY. For Nuclear-trained members, all
requests must be submitted via their CO to Deputy Chief of Naval Operations
Nuclear Program Manager (OPNAV (N133)). In all cases, the Physical Readiness
Information Management Systems (PRIMS) results must show the Cycle 1, 2018
results.
c. Members with approved Fleet Reserve dates on or after 31 July 2018
who pass Cycle 1, 2018 and desire to remain on active duty must first submit
a cancellation request no later than 1 May 2018 to Commander, Navy Personnel
Command (COMNAVPERSCOM) Enlisted Retirements Office (PERS-836) at the
following e-mail address: enlisted_active_duty_retirements(at)navy.mil. Once
received, approval of the Fleet Reserve cancellation request serves as
authority to cancel previously issued retirement orders, which are issued by
the local supporting personnel office. PERS-836 will forward all approved
cancellation requests to COMNAVPERSCOM, Enlisted Assignment Division (PERS-
40), and to OPNAV (N133) for all nuclear-trained members.
d. Enlisted personnel affected by this change to PFA separation policy,
who desire to stay Navy, must maintain advancement eligibility as outlined in
reference (d) to participate in the Navy-Wide Advancement Exam (NWAE). This
may require a special evaluation to restore advancement recommendation once
the member passes an official PFA.
e. Members who desire to stay Navy:
(1) Who are not in receipt of separation/retirement orders but are
within seven months of their Projected Rotation Date (PRD) must contact their
detailer who can make a Career Management System Interactive (CMS-ID)
application for them in the next CMS-ID cycle.
(2) Who are in their normal 7-12 month negotiation window should
submit an application via CMS-ID. Those affected members beyond 12 months
from their PRD will follow the normal detailing processes.

4. The following applies to all officers who:
a. Fail one PFA will:
(1) Not be eligible for promotion. Commands are required to delay
promotion and inform PERS-833. Members will regain eligibility for promotion
by passing the next command-directed monthly FEP mock PFA.
(2) Be issued a Letter of Notification to inform them of the PFA
failure.
(3) Be enrolled in the FEP until passing the next official PFA.
b. Fail two or more consecutive PFAs will be submitted to PERS-834 for
administrative separation processing under reference (e).
(1) If SECNAV determines the officer is to be separated (or retired),
this action will occur at the PRD of the officer or upon the determination of
SECNAV, whichever is later.
(2) If an officer passes an official PFA prior to the decision of
SECNAV on retention or separation, processing will cease and the member will
be retained upon notification to PERS-834. A special fitness Report may be
submitted to document the officers satisfactory physical readiness status
under reference (c).
(3) Additionally, officers who fail two or more consecutive
PFAs will receive an adverse report that states Significant Problems
on their fitness report under reference (c).

5. Additional information that applies to all members:
a. Effective 1 January 2018 all PFA failures will reset to zero only for
enlisted reenlistment policy and officer administrative separation policy as
outlined in paragraphs 3.a and 4. No other records will be changed such as
PRIMS, Fitness Reports or Evaluations.
b. All members must have a Body Composition Assessment (BCA) completed
within five work days of reporting to a new command. This BCA spot-check
will not count as the official BCA for newly reported members during the
command PFA cycle, regardless of the status of the official command PFA
cycle. Members exceeding Age Adjusted Body Fat Standards (AAS) during spot-
checks must be enrolled into Command FEP.
c. FEP enrollment and disenrollment determination: Upon either a BCA
spot-check failure or PFA failure, members must participate in FEP until they
pass an official PFA and are within AAS.
d. All members who have regained promotion/advancement eligibility are
reminded of their ability to communicate in writing to promotion and
selection boards as outlined in MILPERSMAN 1420-010 of reference (b) and
reference (d).

6. The Nuclear Propulsion Program Manager, OPNAV (N133), will remain the
single point of contact on all PFA failure policy matters relating to Naval
Nuclear Propulsion Program (NNPP) personnel.
a. Nuclear-trained members may be granted an exception to the criteria
of paragraphs 3 and 4 with approval of OPNAV (N133).
b. All recommendations for administrative separation processing for
nuclear-trained officers will be submitted to OPNAV (N133) for review and
approval.

7. Points of contact. Physical Readiness Program, Mr. Bill Moore at
(901)874-2210 or PRIMS(at)navy.mil. For all other personnel related
policies: NAVPERSCOM at 1-866-827-5672 (U-ASK-NPC).

8. Released by Vice Admiral Robert P. Burke, N1.//

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# ¿ Dec 21, 2017 21:08

Nick Soapdish: Apr 27, 2008

PneumonicBook posted:

Yea but the only people who become cfls are the moto tards that bring it upon themselves to instill a culture of fitness to ensure a proper navy warrior blah blah blah imma go get some big Macs, anyone want some?

I might get in enough shape to become CFL so I can be like the best CFL I had, prior enlisted O-4 type, who just didn't give a gently caress and looked out for everybody.

# ¿ Dec 22, 2017 00:30

Nick Soapdish: Apr 27, 2008

maffew buildings posted:

~~My entire career~~ The entire Navy has been "competence will be punished" ~~thus far~~

FTFY

# ¿ Dec 22, 2017 01:24

Nick Soapdish: Apr 27, 2008

Merry Christmas, ya filthy animals. Think about the people who made terrible decisions and are on duty today.

# ¿ Dec 25, 2017 18:10

Nick Soapdish: Apr 27, 2008

Guess I feel lucky I had port/starboard 12-12 for my ship and Afghan deployments. Ended up knowing everyone else working around that time and just things seemed better. Long days but short weeks.

# ¿ Dec 27, 2017 20:21

Nick Soapdish: Apr 27, 2008

By god, if it worked for Lord Nelson, it can work today!

# ¿ Dec 27, 2017 23:56

Nick Soapdish: Apr 27, 2008

PneumonicBook posted:

Well yea, those are bottom of the barrel p eval bullets.

I had only seen an article title asking how someone with such great evals could be that bad and then reading those lines I am laughing at people who don't know the red flag words.

# ¿ Dec 31, 2017 00:03

Nick Soapdish: Apr 27, 2008

Mr. Nice! posted:

Well, we have SWOs, pilots, nukes, deck types, ITs, intel, terps, seabee, ETs, and STGs off the top of my head. I think we might struggle to staff an engine room, but i'm pretty sure the rest is pretty well represented.

I think we could stand up a PHIBRON or DESRON staff

# ¿ Jan 4, 2018 01:00

Nick Soapdish: Apr 27, 2008

This is why I said we could man a PHIBRON, we had Marines, Seabees, and all sorts of odds and ends

# ¿ Jan 5, 2018 03:01

Nick Soapdish: Apr 27, 2008

Mr. Nice! posted:

literally the slush fund for the chief's mess used to buy booze and pay for parties.

What is suppose to happen, per MCPON's Guidance, is that any money raised during the season/initiation/induction/CPO-365 Phase 2/whatever is to be used for events during it and for the Khaki Ball. Any remaining money is to be donated to charity and not held by the Mess.

That being said, who knows from Mess to Mess if that guidance is followed to a T.

# ¿ Jan 10, 2018 19:33

Nick Soapdish: Apr 27, 2008

Hot off the digital presses of Proceedings Today (https://www.usni.org/magazines/proceedings/2018-01/negligent-homicides-bridge-too-far)

My tl;dr version: Too many people to blame beside the COs so, just let everyone retire

quote:

Negligent Homicides: A Bridge Too Far
By Captain Kevin S. Eyer, U.S. Navy (Retired)

In October 2017, Vice Chief of Naval Operations Admiral Bill Moran appointed Director of Naval Reactors Admiral James F. Caldwell as the consolidated disposition authority (CDA) for administrative and disciplinary actions related to the collisions of the USS Fitzgerald (DDG- 62) and USS John S. McCain (DDG-56). Many thought this assignment peculiar in view of the fact that everyone from the ships� commanding officers (COs) to the destroyer squadron commander to the strike force commander to the Seventh Fleet commander to Commander, Pacific Fleet, to the head of surface warfare already had been fired or forced to figuratively drink hemlock in the sense that their early retirements were indicated. Upon consideration, however, it suggested some of these officers might also be court-martialed and perhaps receive more severe punishments.

Earlier this week, it was reported that the COs of both the Fitzgerald and John S. McCain are expected to face charges, including negligent homicide. According to the Navy, �After careful deliberation, today ADM Frank Caldwell announced that Uniform Code of Military Justice charges are being preferred against individual service members in relation to the collisions.�

The Manual for Courts-Martial United States specifies that negligent homicide is any unlawful homicide which is the result of �simple negligence.� Simple negligence is the absence of due care�an act or omission of a person who is under a duty to use due care yet exhibits a lack of that degree of care of the safety of others which a reasonably careful person would have exercised under the same or similar circumstances. An intent to kill or injure is not required. The maximum punishment includes dishonorable discharge, forfeiture of all pay and allowances, and confinement for three years. 1

On 9 February 2001, the USS Greenville (SSN-772) collided, while performing an emergency ballast-blow surfacing maneuver, with the Japanese-fishery, high-school training ship Ehime Maru , near Oahu, Hawaii. Nine Japanese citizens were killed. Admiral Thomas Fargo, Commander in Chief, U.S. Pacific Fleet, said : �While it�s not yet clear how the accident occurred, it is both tragic and regrettable. I want to express my apologies to those involved in the incident, their families and the government of Japan.� 2 In the aftermath, the court of inquiry found that the accident was caused by a series and combination of individual negligence(s) on board the Greeneville : �artificial urgency by [the Commanding Officer] to rush the submarine through its demonstration schedule as it began to run late; failure to follow standard procedures; an abbreviated periscope search; distractions and obstruction caused by the presence of civilian guests; crew training deficiencies; overconfidence and complacency; and [the Commanding Officer] not paying enough attention to ship contact information.� 3 Still, the court recommended against court-martials for the officers involved because there was an absence of any �criminal intent or deliberate misconduct.� 4 The issue of negligent homicide evidently was not in play.

On 8 January 2005, the USS San Francisco (SSN-711) struck an undersea mountain approximately 360 miles southeast of Guam. One sailor lost his life. The results of the investigation revealed that the command had �failed to develop and execute a safe voyage plan.� The findings of fact showed that the San Francisco , while transiting at flank speed and submerged to 525 feet, hit a seamount that did not appear on the chart being used for navigation. Other charts on board the San Francisco clearly displayed a navigation hazard in the vicinity of the grounding. In sum, �San Francisco�s navigation team failed to review those charts adequately and transfer pertinent data to the chart being used for navigation, as relevant directives and the ship�s own procedures required.� 5 The submarine�s CO was relieved and issued a letter of reprimand. This officer was neither courts-martialed nor charged with negligent homicide.

The Navy never has charged a ship�s CO with negligent homicide. In fact, �negligent homicide� did not exist in the Uniform Code of Military Justice until 1958. Further, the charge itself does not and has never existed in common law (public law). In truth, negligent homicide is complex, esoteric, arcane, and difficult to prove. 6 After all, there are few who are genuinely equipped to determine whether those captains �exhibit(ed) a lack of that degree of care of the safety of others which a reasonably careful person would have exercised under the same or similar circumstances.� Negligent homicide is a bridge which the Navy has been rightly loathe to cross.

With regard to even considering courts-martial charges of any sort for the two destroyers� COs, one must ask as was asked in the case of Greenville , was there �criminal intent or deliberate misconduct?� To this observer, I say no. In the case of the Fitzgerald , in the hours preceding the collision, the CO was not called in 13 of the 14 close passages with other ships, even though his standing orders specified that he must be. In the case of John S. McCain , no one on board the ship was sufficiently familiar with the newly installed helm control console. Even if a �master helmsman� had been on watch at the time of collision, there is no reason to expect that he would have been any more familiar with the new system than the remainder of the crew, since the Navy had cut the funding to train the ship�s sailors in the new system, prior to installation. I see no criminal intent or misconduct.

Today, there is a churn in the Navy-connected media as people ask if Vice Admiral Thomas Rowden, Commander, Naval Surface Forces/Naval Surface Forces Pacific, is serving as the scape goat by being forced into early retirement. There are those who point out that �he was put in the situation of having to salute and carry on, because Navy HQ either agreed to continue deploying ships or were told by the Office of the Secretary of Defense to do so.� 6 Conversely, there are those who would place total responsibility entirely on the ships� commanding officers shoulders. On the one hand, COs, by tradition, are held to absolute responsibility, and no one is suggesting that the captains of the Fitzgerald and John S. McCain should be given passes. On the other hand, it must be understood that COs only can play the hand dealt to them by their seniors, including Vice Admiral Rowden, who ultimately was responsible for the manning, training, and equipping of the surface forces. There is much guilt to go around, and it may be distributed widely across a generation of officers, but to cause a couple of COs to eat sin for all is a wrong-headed embarrassment and a subversion of responsibility.

It is difficult to rise to command. The path is long, and many fine officers are left by the roadside. The Navy picks the best officers it has to be COs, and builds the best we can make. Be assured these officers take their responsibilities with the utmost seriousness. More important, in an era in which commanding officers regularly are fired for reasons ranging from appropriate to ridiculous, they still assume command when given the opportunity. To charge these captains with negligent homicide must be understood to be a crossing of the Rubicon from which there can be no return. Not only will it open wide a door which will invite ever Americans to advocate for similar charges against any commanding officer found in their estimation to be wanting, but it may have a severely chilling effect on the willingness of officers to pursue command. If you are a young officer and perceive that not only can a captain be fired for a misspoken word, but that he or she can be courts-martialed and possibly imprisoned by fiat or the desire of Navy leadership to make a demonstration of �action� to the public, why would you aspire to that sort of risk?

If you are a CO or a prospective commanding officer or a former CO, ask not for whom the bell tolls if this is the new face of the Navy.

1. Manual for Courts-Martial United States , 2012 ed., article 134: Homicide, Negligent.

2. �U.S. Captain Suspended after His Sub Sinks Fishing Vessel,� The Telegraph , 12 February 2001.

3. U.S. Navy, Report of Proceedings, 4, 17, 21�22, 69�80, 92�97, 102�12.

4. Ibid., 69�80, 92�97, 116�19.

5. �USS San Francisco Investigation Completed,� story number NNS050509-14, release date 9 May 2005, 3-11-00 PM.

6. Jo H. Munster, �Negligent Homicide in Military Law,� California Law Review 46, no. 5 (December 1958).

7. Sydney J. Freedberg Jr., �Vice ADM Rowden: Scapegoat?� Breaking Defense (16 January 2018).

Captain Eyer served in seven cruisers, commanding three Aegis cruisers: USS Thomas S. Gates (CG-51), Shiloh (CG-67), and Chancellorsville (CG-62).

# ¿ Jan 18, 2018 23:15

Nick Soapdish: Apr 27, 2008

Anita Dickinme posted:

I�ve been wanting to re-enlist (help me) but the majority of people who stay in and the stress from dumb poo poo is just so toxic. I can�t imagine myself having any friends at work as a first class or chief solely based on the fact that i hate 99% of the people up there now because they�re so quick to poo poo on everyone lower than them.

/daily navy rant

Make friends outside of work. Keep your life separate. Not to say be a dick but, have them as acquaintances or work friends.

Just be sure to look at your whole situation but, if you're on your first contract, probably a good time to pull chalks and head to university.

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Nick Soapdish: Apr 27, 2008

Boon posted:

Can someone point me to the regs regarding reenlistment?

I have been asked to reenlist one of my reserve sailors this weekend but with the shutdown that has been thrown into disarray. I want to know what my options are so that I can provide them to him.

What in particular are you looking for? If they already have the contract done, which they should have if given time to the NOSC, you as an O can do it any time, any place.

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