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IncredibleIgloo
Feb 17, 2011





The thing about it that makes it worse is that your chain of command knows you are suffering, knows you are having a bad time, and they know they can do things about it. They choose note to. They think you deserve to suffer. It is not that they don't care about you, they do, but just negatively. They actively work to make you feel bad.

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IncredibleIgloo
Feb 17, 2011





What would even be a possible situation in which the sub could hang out losing only 40 or so feet of depth an hour? Irreparable damage to some electrical components or generation, but not all? That in combination with failure of ballast? But given enough time the lines would thaw. While strange things can happen, a leak at depth is only going to decrease buoyancy, causing loss of depth to increase in rate, causing the leak rate to increase. For them to have hung around that long I would think they would need a way to evacuate some of the water, to pump it out, which would require some amount of power, and as depth increases the harder it is to pump out.

The Kursk only had initial survivors because it sank in water relatively shallow, the ship's length was longer than the depth of water in sank in. Had it been in open ocean it would have imploded as well. Submarines that start to sink either fix it pretty immediately/blow the ballast, or they start to sink faster.

IncredibleIgloo
Feb 17, 2011





Drowning is probably only a likely cause of death for the initial casualty that causes the vessel to lose buoyancy and begin to sink. In an implosion event the thermodynamic conditions that exist when the implosion occurs rapidly increases temperature to extreme temperatures as the hull moves rapidly inwards at up to 2500 feet per second. From time of implosion beginning to the event being concluded is roughly a few milliseconds, a shorter time than the 25ms human response time.

IncredibleIgloo
Feb 17, 2011





ded posted:

Sure. But was it taught to you at BESS that the *correct* answer to "what is test depth" was that? I know it wasn't to me. It was driven home in both BESS and during basic sub quals that test depth was "the max depth that an EBT blow could get you to the surface without propulsion".

I know there are always huge safety margins built in to all sub gear. The navy has been paranoid as hell about the possibility of losing another submarine for good reason.

You're just being the nuke dissing the coner. Time as old as nuclear power.

It would appear that the Navy's definition of test depth does not take into account the ballast system directly. Perhaps it may take it into account inderectly.

https://www.secnav.navy.mil/doni/Directives/09000%20General%20Ship%20Design%20and%20Support/09-100%20Hull%20Structure%20Support/9110.1D.pdf

IncredibleIgloo
Feb 17, 2011





I cannot imagine being underway and not smoking. Smoking was great because it dulled your sense of smell and everything smelled like stale smoke. A smell much better than the other stuff around!

IncredibleIgloo
Feb 17, 2011





Jimmy4400nav posted:

If airships come back their aviation uniform should be a steampunk tophat with cosmetic gears afixed to it :colbert:

If this doesn't cause me to re-enlist, nothing ever will.

IncredibleIgloo
Feb 17, 2011





AlternateNu posted:

On a scale of 0 to 10, how steampunk is Sephiroth?


This is going to be a question on your Enlisted Steampunk Warfare Specialist board, so study up shipmates.

IncredibleIgloo
Feb 17, 2011





Alright Steam-mates, due to the poor decision making of some foozler in the Dirigible Repair division we are gonna have a safety steam down. Now, you all know that you *must* complete your penny-farthing safety foundations course before you can ride one on base, right? And you must be wearing your proper steam protective equipment at all times while riding, not just on base. If you do not you will lose your footcycle privileges and potentially go up to steam funnel and see the old man.

IncredibleIgloo
Feb 17, 2011





I assume the submersible was supposed to surface by using ballast? So assuming there is a ballast issue, what was the redundant method they have? Or was redundancy in that impractical?

IncredibleIgloo
Feb 17, 2011





With a submersible of this size would it be possible to have it attached via a tether to the support ship above? And the tether attached to a winch or the submersible having some sort of climbing mechanism?

IncredibleIgloo
Feb 17, 2011





Elviscat posted:

This is allegedly their ballast system, so I'll answer with "lol, lmao" this thing was designed by loving morons.



My initial response is, "You are joking right?", but I know you are not and that is quite sad.

IncredibleIgloo
Feb 17, 2011





SquirrelyPSU posted:

Conversely, I know at least two have committed suicide and only four got degrees.

Oddly enough I know 4 Nukes that I worked with that transitioned. I don't know their degree status, but one of them has an only fans.

My current workplace, in my department, is about 50% Navy folks and many of them have degrees and they all make more 100k. I am, to my knowledge, the only person at work with a gender studies degree, much to the chagrin of my chuddy coworkers.

IncredibleIgloo
Feb 17, 2011





My second command the DAPA was in reactor division and they drank quite a bit, it was a little surprising.

IncredibleIgloo
Feb 17, 2011






Yeah, absolutely. As long as you are not a complete psychopath it is pretty easy to walk into 100k+/yr job when getting out. I have not made less than 100k a year since getting out, and one year I nearly hit 200, because I was doing a fair bit of overtime. Most years I don't work much overtime though. If you want to stay in the nuclear field 150k a year seems like it would be pretty achievable.

IncredibleIgloo
Feb 17, 2011





TheWeedNumber posted:

I could make 1,168,000 a year if I sucked dick and let myself get hosed in the rear end for 400 an hr 8 hours a day, everyday. I think it would beat the Navy horror stories I’ve witnessed here, hands down. And I’m being conservative on the hourly rate here. That number can go up for sure. Don’t go nuke, tia.

I am not sure if you are just making up an odd analogy or what here, or if you have access to a job that pays that much, or whatever. Being a Navy nuke definitely sucked and was a really difficult time for me, but it did set me up for a lot of success in life now. I did 10 years, but most of the folks I work with did 6 and they make the same amount or more than I do now. 6 years is a long time, but for some folks the payoff was definitely worth it.

IncredibleIgloo
Feb 17, 2011





Elviscat posted:

Yep, two different Letters of Instruction, one for smacking a pier with the boat* and one for covering up a bed-bug infestation that made national news.

*in a twist of fate, this ended up with EB accidentally destroying the spare 21 class sonar dome, and getting a head start tooling up to make a new one, which should be a big help in repairing the 22.

RE: jobs, a lot of the mythical "6 figgie" jobs you can walk right into as a nuke kinda suck, I haven't heard anything more positive than "it pays well" and "it's better than the Navy!" From guys that go into civilian nuke jobs or data center operations, I would 100% suggest any nuke getting out puts that GI bill to use on a college degree if able.


I didn't do that, but I lucked out big time, I absolutely love the job I got right after I got out, it's in a completely different field, it pays great, I love my coworkers and the guys who work for me, day-to-day I get to put my skills to use teaching people how to bolt together state-of-the-art technology, instead of desperately trying to maintain a floating pile of rust in serviceable condition, with grossly inadequate support. I usually work <50 hours a week and get almost every (3 day!) weekend off, and if I work more, I'm well compensated for my time. I took a decade of experience trying desperately to keep my guys from getting hosed every single day and applied that to being a manager, and it's made me extremely popular with the dudes that work for me (per anonymous employee satisfaction survey). When I travel, I have friends in almost every state in the country who I can grab drinks with, catch up, and get shown around. Life's great, and I owe a lot of that to being in the Navy and being a Nuke.

Would I do it again?

gently caress no! If Joe Biden himself offered me a $1M/yr salary to do one more year on a submarine, I'd tell him to shove it up his rear end. But would I appreciate how good my life is as much as I do now if I had never joined? Probably not.

Data centers are a pretty good gig. All the nukes I work with really like it, and it is a great job. Of course there are better or worse organizations to hire on with, but it is no where comparable to the stress and bullshit of civilian nuclear.

IncredibleIgloo
Feb 17, 2011





First woman CNO has been picked by Biden, can Tuberville hold this up? Or is this an appointment and not a promotion?

IncredibleIgloo
Feb 17, 2011





Tuberville is such a piece of poo poo.

IncredibleIgloo
Feb 17, 2011





So, on the quarterdeck of the ship, where they have the pictures of everyone in the chain of command, does she get to move up to the CNO's picture slot, or is that just going to be comically empty for however long this takes?

IncredibleIgloo
Feb 17, 2011





Cerekk posted:

Ship chain of commands don't include the CNO

Yeah, but the pictures on the quarterdeck of every ship I have been on went all the way up to the president though. I would imagine the CNO was somewhere in there?

IncredibleIgloo
Feb 17, 2011





piL posted:

This is not accurate. US naval forces have two "chains of command," an operational and an administrative chain of command.

The operational chain of command indeed omits the CNO. It derives from the Combatant Commander's authority through Fleet commanders to task forces and ships assigned those task forces.

Administrative chains of command proceed from the SECDEF to the SENAV to the CNO through Type Commander's (air, surface, subsurface, expeditionary, special, etc), then (usually) some intermediary unit or two: geographic type, a carrier strike group,a destroyer squadron, an air group, a special warfare group or some combination.

The administrative chain of command doesn't really meet JP 1 definitions of command relationships, but its still described as such and is an important mitigation to static geographic AORs or functional mission sets and with mobile and multimission units.

Edit: And here's another thing Bob, both chains of command might be depicted on the quarterdeck.

Yeah, both the Bush and the Lincoln had the big chain of command boards when I was on them.

IncredibleIgloo
Feb 17, 2011





lightpole posted:

I'm still trying to get my head around how MARAD manages to function at any point. Right now I can't use the copy machine in the tech library cause its leased by a different entity that can't figure out how to charge the operational entity for its per page use. Both entities are under MARAD so its just moving a couple cents from the left pocket to the right pocket. We don't even need to talk about the management company cause that just adds another layer of confusion.

So far bureaucratic inertia has stopped me getting access to the CBMM system, as well as prevented prep for the oncoming yard and the multitude of maintenance tasks without which this vessel will stop moving in a very short time period. I have sidelined the operational entities instructors from 2/3 of the training for the engineering students, completely taking it over and creating my own structure and training program. This was not voluntary, more so that the operational entity has no loving idea what they are doing and dropped it in my lap.

We almost sailed off the west coast without enough LO to perform an engine change out on any engine. We only have any because my chief worked at Chevron and managed to finagle a production run straight from the refinery through his contacts. Even then, it was a fight to get drums on board.

If you can't use the printer how are you going to print out the temporary picture of the CNO to go on the command board?

IncredibleIgloo
Feb 17, 2011





Anyone got pics of the "Semper Paratus" tattoo that was mentioned earlier?

IncredibleIgloo
Feb 17, 2011





Wibla posted:

Last time I was in France, I stepped off a boat, carrying a gun.

Thank you for your service Captain Miller

IncredibleIgloo
Feb 17, 2011





Crab Dad posted:

I’m gonna be the only one left in and not even in the real navy at this point.

I don't think there are any forum members young enough to enlist, even with a waiver, at this point.

IncredibleIgloo
Feb 17, 2011





lightpole posted:

West Coast maritime academy enrollment is dropping and it will soon be unsustainable with the school looking at closing unless MARAD takes them over. The mismanagement, lack of funding, toxic culture, everything is pretty egregious at this point. I can't understand how just tossing another admiral at it doesn't work.

There aren't enough officers as it is, closing an academy is just going to kill the industry. If nothing changes, MARAD has no choice but to take over the school or Navy going to have to start filling in logistics slots.

Are you talking about the school in California, the Cal Maritime school? I am helping my son look at possible career paths and am trying to figure out nautical oriented career paths that are not the Navy.

IncredibleIgloo
Feb 17, 2011





Elviscat posted:

If your son wants something Maritime, and would also like to be home every day, and not have to attend a horrible meat grinder of a school, the WA ferry system is desperate for people right now.

I've also know a few people that were happy on tugboats.

That seems like it would be interesting, hopefully they would have entry level stuff for on the job training and whatnot.

IncredibleIgloo
Feb 17, 2011





Red Crown posted:

The longer I'm in, the more I'm convinced that being an officer has been the single most important factor in my getting effective healthcare.

Thanks for reminding most of us we are peasants, haha.

IncredibleIgloo
Feb 17, 2011





Arione posted:

I was at a shore submarine command doing some contract work and mentioned the "squared away sailor song" to the CPO I was working with there. Neither he nor the other CPO's in the office ever heard of it. Naturally when they pulled it up on youtube and had it blaring on the speakers, the CMC and Commander walk into the office and proceed to join in the fun, apparently none of them had ever heard it. The junior sailors found it hilarious tho.

Is this some sort of Khaki thing I am too blueshirt to understand?

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IncredibleIgloo
Feb 17, 2011





Sorry I have not heard the sailor song before, even though I was in at the time it was released. Hell, I was at NRMD Norfolk and working at Portsmouth probably pretty close to when this was filmed.

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