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McNally
Sep 13, 2007

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milk milk lemonade posted:

What the gently caress happened that article sucks

Nobody's released any details, but given that four people were involved in one incident, I'm going to guess vehicle rollover.

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Mr_Ruckus posted:

Yep, that's the brigade I'm with.

Our OCs have been pretty good and, for the most part, chill.

The guy was in another​ battalion and was involved in an abrahms tank rolling over at night.

MSARNG released a statement on it, the tank was with 2/198th. That was the battalion I was in.

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I, for one, have a hard time believing that the United States Army does not treat its soldiers and their dependents with the utmost care and respect.

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Army wtf is sticking to their guns.

quote:

Col. Brian Sullivan, commander of the 3rd Brigade Combat Team, refuted reports from USAWTFM and other outlets claiming a soldier suffered a miscarriage this month after going to the Joint Readiness Training Center, one of the Army’s premiere training facilities, also located at Fort Polk.

Reading his statement, on the surface it looks like we got it wrong on this specific point. There’s a wider point that we need to address, however.

...

While the unit provided this statement and a previous one issued by the brigade’s higher headquarters at Fort Drum, NY, they did not address the broader issue facing the brigade – and the rest of the Army, frankly – the need to bring at least 80% of assigned soldiers in the unit to achieve Army readiness requirements.

...

One of those soldiers who, by virtue of his medical restrictions, should not have gone to the field was a private USAWTFM is not identifying. This soldier, according to multiple sources with firsthand knowledge, had a behavioral health profile recommending he not have a weapon.

The 710th Brigade Engineer Battalion (BEB) brought him in spite of this profile – and after a minor early-morning vehicle accident, he allegedly removed the blank firing adapter from the weapon he was not supposed to have and shot himself in the head with a blank round. The soldier was treated on the scene and suffered from first and second-degree burns. He was later admitted to an inpatient facility in Alexandria, LA. We’ll have more to come on this battalion in the next week, so stay tuned.

"We got the details wrong, but we're still right!"

https://www.armywtfmoments.com/2017/06/02/fort-polk-theres-smoke-theres-fire/

McNally
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Bell_ posted:

PAO, huh?

I can help tell the Army story.

I know the Armiest of stories.

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Zeris posted:

I bet they'd only kill the better half.

:golfclap:

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I thank God that the closest I came to real combat was an AK round clipping an antenna on my humvee.

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Vahakyla posted:

There's a bus that runs nonstop between Caserma Del Din and Caserma Ederle. Instead of getting on the early morning bus to Ederle to take part in a football match, a bunch of soldiers accidentally got onto the chute shakeout bus waiting on the same bus stop.

It drove them to Aviano Air Base. To shake chutes. They sent a lot of angry and frustrated text messages.


Non-paratroopers: chute shakeout is a lovely and arduous physical activity where you take chutes from a truck, carry them into hoists, untangle them, and put em into a bag for the riggers. It blows, and they had like 600 chutes.

It's funny because it wasn't me.

But seriously, none of them thought to ask if that was the right bus?

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bird food bathtub posted:

Probably living pretty close if I get the job. So the area right outside is a typical only-exists-because-of-the-base town? My reference would be Killeen for Hood or Sierra Vista for Huachuca.

Is the drive into base the normal 45 minutes to cross the street crap?

And what about Maryland's gun laws?

The area immediately outside Ft. Meade is a weird mix of "only-exists-because-of-the-base town" and "built-up suburb/minor urban area." I lived in an apartment about 10-15 minutes from Fort Meade and was paying $1300 a month for a one bedroom apartment in a complex built in the 1960s. With rush hour traffic, I think the commute to Fort Meade, to include getting on base, pushed it to about 20-30 minutes.

Maryland's gun laws are poo poo.

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Wasabi the J posted:

Also gently caress suicide. gently caress the armys completely regressive and reactive strategy for mitigating the leading cause of death in soldiers.

Soldier attempts suicide. Unit reaches out to higher headquarters for support and guidance. Higher responds "has the soldier completed suicide awareness?"

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psydude posted:

You're talking about the area under the pavilion next to the PX with all of the food trucks? Yeah that was some of the best food I've had on an Army base.

Camp Shelby is pretty bad otherwise. I was there when the government shutdown happened and they laid off all of the gate guards and never hired them back. You could quite literally drive onto post and nobody would stop you.

Shelby also has a gut truck that drives around the non-restricted roads near the training areas and other facilities.

It was a life-saver while we were all sitting around waiting to be shuffled through the SRB building and we hadn't had lunch yet because lol what's planning?

But yeah, Camp Shelby blows. I was in the MS Guard and it's where we went for AT and sometimes 3-day drills. I used to say that if they gave America an enema, Camp Shelby was where they'd stick the tube.

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Diarrhea Elemental posted:

I'm a little hesitant to trust that USAWTFM has found some journalistic standards lately, but man reading that poo poo about the RN 1LT who got set on fire is unreal. We might actually have a competitor for McNallys' lifetime's worth of bullshit.

Oh yeah, that's orders of magnitude worse than what I went through.

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NUKES CURE NORKS posted:

yeah like a powerpoint presentation every 90 days about why you shouldn't do that

Civilian employee failed to compete "don't murder supervisors" training before attempting murder of supervisor; increase training to every other month.

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Mike-o posted:

I'll spare you the millionth time I've posted the terminal lance comic in response to your posting. I think you understand now.

How is this not his av? I think this is where he is now.

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I knew a guy who went to OCS in the Guard without a degree, the deal being "finish your degree in four years or we take your commission."

Considering you had to be halfway to a degree to qualify, it was an achievement when he lost his commission.

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I somehow miss being able to start a conversation with "you won't believe the amazing poo poo I just took" like I could in the army.

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My ID card shows my sponsor's status as "RESDEC" even though my wife was on active duty when she passed. This may gently caress me out of certain benefits when I present my ID.

"Sorry, you need to be the survivor of a soldier who died on active duty."

Looks like I get to start digging for a copy of her orders and see if I can get a corrected ID.

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Gonna try a different ID card office this time.

Then again, maybe I should go back to Meade. Maybe they’ll try extra hard to avoid another IG complaint.

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Mustang posted:

The way the Army gives preferential treatment to people married with kids is bullshit.

Just because I'm single I should go on one of the last busses? What a crock of poo poo. I already came out here a week before everyone else. But I'm supposed to "think about the families". gently caress em. And all the UMO poo poo is done, all I'm doing now is twiddling my thumbs for a loving week until I leave

lol if you think this has anything to do with the army giving a gently caress about families

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bird food bathtub posted:

Looks a drat site better than being a loving pickle.

Though I'm confused on the name, pinks and greens?

The WWII-era officer's uniform consisted of a service coat in OD green and khaki trousers with a slight pinkish hue.

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Air Force coat and trousers are the same color. ASUs have twice as much blue.

Edit: The Army has had a blue uniform almost continuously since 1774. Suck it, Air Force, get your own color.

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Mustang posted:

So is the SGM academy just to teach CSMs how to ruin everything? Everything they say is bad and loving sucks.

Morale would improve just by getting rid of every CSM in the Army.

OPS SGMs are generally good though, which is weird.

Yesssss. Let the hate flow through you....

McNally
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Hahahaha the case worker in my senator’s office reports that the Army still isn’t responding to inquiries.

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I contacted my guy at the Pentagon, who apparently has a new job now because his email signature changed, but he asked me when I'm available to take a call and so here I am, waiting for my phone to ring.

I'll say this for him, he tends to make it feel like what I'm going through is, in the eyes of the Army, an aberration worthy of their attention.

But we all know that if that were the case, the Army wouldn't be trying to pass the buck off on the VA and ducking my senator's staff.

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Soulex posted:

Oh boy.

So McNally's wife (active) sadly took her own life and her unit not only blamed him, but were completely useless with making sure McNally got his survivor's benefits. They marginalized their effort by claiming to make sure she required suicide prevention without actually taking any steps (like 24-hour watch). McNally has been trying for over a year to go to school, get an ID, and a semblance of his life, however due to the nepotism and overall uselessness of people in power, getting someone to help him has been difficult. He served as well so it is strange why there is so much weird crazy bullshit, but weird poo poo happened to me (just not nearly on that level).

So McNally has not gone to press, and stayed silent despite some of us urging him to go public at some point. I think we all collectively agree that most suicide prevention stuff is bullshit anyways, but using that as part of your thesis (the other being 'McNally was a mean person to her. I have never met him nor discussed him with his wife though.') is stupid. They are at fault, they know it, and are reluctant to admit it wasn't handled correctly.

So the green weenie hosed him anyway it wanted. Then it got its buddies and hosed him again and again. Now the green weenie isn't returning phone calls and he is saying "hey, can you fix this? You broke it." Luckily he has had support, paperwork to back up his claims, and people willing to listen.

We are all rooting for him.

This is correct in general, but the details are a bit off. My wife's unit didn't blame me, exactly, but during the course of the different investigations they suggested I was lazy and unsupportive. Some of those comments came from people I'd never met, some from people who knew me. As to my part, I probably could have done more. Beyond that they had nothing to do with the story. Her unit, it's worth pointing out, were the ones saying "hey, she needs help" and their higher headquarters said "has she completed suicide prevention training?"

I have gotten my benefits, which took awhile because a lot of them depend on the outcome of the LOD investigation, which always take forever. The ID card issue was settled within a month but is noteworthy because the conversation that took place in the office included statements like "deceased soldiers' survivors aren't entitled to benefits past the soldier's ETS date" and "dependent IDs become invalid the moment their sponsor dies," both of which are aggressively false.

My real issue is the extent to which casualty assistance seems to be broken. The casualty assistance office I worked with had no idea how to get a W-2. They had no idea how to settle estate matters. They were actively uninterested in helping beyond token lip-service.

The only matter that's unresolved is that I've been trying to get a response from the Army saying "yes, this is broken. Here's what we plan on doing." Maybe I'm pissing into the wind, but it burns me up to think that what happened to me will happen to someone else. They've spent the last year telling my senator's office "this isn't us, call the VA about it instead" and that just pisses me off.

On that note, I got a phone call this morning from the SES in charge of the Army's suicide prevention program. She said she read my letter and will be making changes and also calling the people in charge of all the ID card stations and casualty assistance to let them know what happened to me.

That's all fine and dandy, but this is the person who signed the letter calling my wife the wrong name. At least I know for sure that she's actually read the letter this time.

Also, do I really want to go to the press with this? That just opens me up to "hey, these reports say you're a lazy dirtbag who didn't help her either!"

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Vasudus posted:

My dudes what can you send people in BCT now. I realize it's been nearly 15 years so things have probably changed.

If you're not mailing a dude who's currently in basic a suspiciously large package full of gay porn and dildos with "DRILL SERGEANT AIN'T poo poo" written all over the outside of the box, then you're probably a decent human being.

In which case you do not belong here.

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Soulex posted:

Sorry I fudged some stuff up. I forgot what got resolved and some other things.

As for the press thing, people could use that sure, but if it wasn't true and you have people that could back that, it appears as an attack on your character as a strawman tactic. It's a toss up, but you are right. It would be very intrusive.

As it happens, it might not even be necessary. Yesterday I emailed that colonel who contacted me after I responded to the letter that called my wife the wrong name. He started making calls and today I received a phone call from the SES who signed that letter and then a phone call from the colonel who runs the office that trains casualty assistance officers. In the course of the conversation, I've learned some of the things I had issues with have changed (for example, I was eligible for travel pay to and from my wife's funeral. The funeral was in January, the casualty assistance center [which, it turns out, is completely different from the casualty assistance officers: one's a civilian office, the other is a .mil function and they're run by different people] gave me the form to fill out at the end of May, and I didn't get paid until August, before which I had to contact the IG because the casualty assistance idiots had stopped responding to my requests for updates. Travel vouchers for survivors are now part of the casualty assistance officer's checklist, is handled directly by the .mil office, and is a "this must be done within 30 days item).

It turns out that I was supposed to have received an official response to my concerns but never received the letter.

Anyway, once we established my beef is with the DA civilians in the Casualty Assistance Center and not with my Casualty Assistance Officer, she said she'd have the person who runs that department contact me. She told me to call her if I don't hear anything by Friday afternoon.

Reading between the lines, it sounded almost like I'm an urban legend at HRC.

"Legend has it there's a military survivor who got ultra turbofucked by the Green Weenie."

"No way. Too much poo poo went wrong all at once for that to happen. People fall through the cracks, sure, but nobody falls through the cracks in each step of the process"

"It's true! I knew a guy who said he had a buddy who saw a copy of the letter..."

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Oxygenpoisoning posted:

He was always super honest about being clueless though and only talked poo poo about being able to run fast since he was an avid marathoner. Everything else he just admitted he didn’t know or was outright bad at.

How many rockers did they throw at him?

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Mustang posted:

Maybe I’m crazy but I think a PSG has a harder job than a CSM.

I can’t help but roll my eyes whenever a CSM opens their mouth.

Yeah roger CSM, dudes not wearing their elbow pads is a big deal and we totally respect you for your position in the unit.

CSM I’m way more concerned about the uniform my guys wear instead of being able to properly employ a javelin or some other actually useful task.

I seriously don’t at all understand the existence of CSMs other than to make soldiers miserable.

Are we watching Mustang transition into Stage Three?

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So it looks like I'm calling that colonel at HRC on Monday. The only call I got yesterday was from the casualty assistance center at Meade that I had the complaints about.

Apparently they got a call from higher up and were under the impression I was contacting people because I'm still waiting on my benefits.

So clearly someone somewhere hosed up. And instead of hearing from the dude in charge of the civilian CAC chucklefucks (... man, we re-use a lot of acronyms), I got a call from someone in the office I had already made an IG complaint about. Over a year after the fact.

Well done, Army.

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I am shocked at all of you. If the Army said he's going to get comped, the Army is as good as their woBWAHAHAHAH

sorry i couldn't keep a straight face

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Mustang posted:

By this point I’m pretty sure letting poo poo roll down hill is just an Army tradition. Doesn’t matter if there’s extenuating circumstances for why X happened, this shits gotta roll!

It’s almost like the Army is fueled by rear end chewings

Counseling statements fuel the furnace of fuckery.

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Mustang posted:

I'd be more willing to sing cadences if we could sing the hosed up ones

My girl's a vegetable

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C-130 rolling down the strip
Hit by a mortar and the motherfucker flipped
Airborne Rangers trapped inside
Airborne Rangers Kentucky fried

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Your Battle Buddy posted:

lol that the fucker begging to be mod for years cant handle reports

"Man, this poo poo is bullshit. They should put me in charge, I could run this way better."

*PROMOTION*

"OH MY loving GOD YOU WON'T BELIEVE THIS poo poo"

(this may also work as a Mustang parable)

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I remember the first time I visited my wife's MI unit. I gave her so much poo poo because their Soldier of the Year had a marksman badge.

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Retardog posted:

The question higher usually asks: “Why are you hosed up?”
The question higher should ask: “How can we help you not be hosed up?”

I was told that Casualty Assistance, had they even known the correct answer to "how do I handle the estate matters?" would not have been allowed to tell me the answer because they're not allowed to give me legal advice. "You need to go to the county courthouse" is apparently legal advice.

"We need to make you an appointment with legal, but they only open their appointment books at 0800 every Thursday and stop answering the phone once they fill a week's worth of appointments, so hopefully we'll get 'em this time" is not legal advice, though.

(I've been told that the legal office at Meade has changed their policy so that a surviving spouse can now get a priority appointment, though, so at least I've caused changes to happen)

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Diarrhea Elemental posted:

I know I've probably asked before but how in the gently caress do you not have extreme explosive anger issues, McNally?

Christ. At least I was able to crush the retarded dreams of someone the other day by pulling up your posting history.

Honestly? I'm pretty sure that a significant part of my soul died with my wife.

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It'll be two years next month.

It's like any other injury, in a way. The pain fades. It'll always be there, it might flare up from time to time, but it does fade. Where before I just wanted to crawl into a hole and die, I feel... I dunno, hollow. Less.

I'm probably always going to be melancholy when the weather starts turning cold. God only knows when Christmas decorations won't bum me out anymore.

I'm keeping busy, though. Beyond classes I have my Civil War reenacting and my school even has a living history club that I joined last year. In the summer I started taking violin lessons because I want to be Jack Aubrey when I grow up. Even thinking about buying the hat, but goddamn it's an expensive hat.

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