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chiasaur11
Oct 22, 2012



Waffleman_ posted:

My only guess is that since they decided during the first season of IBO that the series would be 2, the contract Toonami made with Sunrise included both seasons and their hands are tied at this point.

It got pretty solid ratings, unlike Unicorn, which might explain it. Averaged 940,840 viewers, .36 in the target demographic. Add in that Toonami management likes Gundam, and it makes a good deal of sense without indulging in conspiracies about tied hands and Toonami being forced to air more of a show that did fairly well.

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chiasaur11
Oct 22, 2012



Waffleman_ posted:

I honestly mostly just got lost in the second half of the first season when they started focusing on Gjallerhorn more and I didn't know who the hell anyone in Gjallerhorn was.

McGillis is the blonde Char type engaged to an elementary schooler. He likes elaborate plans, betraying dudes, and fighting the status quo. He really doesn't like his father, for reasons that are elaborated on in the second season.

Gaelio is the guy with purple hair. He likes being basically decent-ish in a corrupt system, trusting his best buddy McGillis, and cool giant robots.

Carta is the woman who surrounds herself with blonde dudes because she wants McGillis. She likes honor and elaborate attack formations. She's not so enthusiastic for what happens when you announce your attack formations to ruthless child soldiers.

Ein is Gaelio's wingman. He likes killing children.

There's politics beyond them, but mostly that amounts to McGillis finding more and more elaborate ways to gently caress everyone else over. It isn't until the second season you really have to worry about anyone else's long game.

chiasaur11
Oct 22, 2012



Solkanar512 posted:

Unicorn was perfectly watchable, but the whole bit about using the psychic energy of everyone on earth was a bit much. But so was the betrothal to a little girl and the dude with the harem. Ick.

Admittedly I've only seen IBO and Unicorn, does every Gundam series involve the pilot somehow being gifted their Gundam by luck or destiny like it's loving Excalibur?

I'd say IBO is pretty low on the Excalibur scale, honestly, at least as far as Mika's concerned.

He's the most effective pilot in a PMC that owns a Gundam, so in a desperate situation his CO has him pilot the Gundam. Since they keep getting into more desperate situations, he keeps piloting the Gundam. And since he's a disturbingly effective attack dog, people start ascribing more to him, like people tend to whenever something mundane fucks everyone's poo poo up.

In other words, he's not good at killing people because he's got some deep purpose and destiny. People start thinking of him like he's got a destiny because they need to ascribe meaning to the protectors of world peace and holders of divine right having the gently caress killed out of them by an emotionally disturbed, illiterate child soldier.

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chiasaur11
Oct 22, 2012



Crabtree posted:

WAIT THERE'S TWO NEW SEASONS OF FOOLY COOLY?!

Yep. And the Pillows are back.

Hope for the best. Prepare for abject disappointment. Tends to be the sensible procedure.

chiasaur11
Oct 22, 2012



JT Jag posted:

Hold on. The protagonists are part of a huge corporation, beholden to the space-President, inspiring more child soldiers

Are we the baddies?

What? Baddies because they're working for the Space President?

No, don't be ridiculous!

They're working for the actual space mafia. The closest they come to working for the space-President is a business history with a probable coup d'etat faction that arranged the murder of two high ranking government officials.

Totally on the up-and-up.

chiasaur11
Oct 22, 2012



TwoPair posted:

When you're old in Gundam, the only thing you're good for is yelling "It's a Gundam!" shocked. And then loving dying.

Well, Rustal's clearly an older dude. I'm sure he'll have a long and successful life, what with his being in McGillis's way, employing a mysterious and surely trustworthy masked pilot, and being set up to oppose the protagonists.

Yep, everything's definitely going to come up Rustal!

chiasaur11
Oct 22, 2012



Argus Zant posted:

well then what the gently caress is the point

It gives him a different dynamic with the rest of the cast on the antagonist side, mainly. If he's just standing out in the open, he's a noble and everybody knows it. As is, his dynamic with Julieta (expressly noted as a merc like Tekkadan that was lucky enough to get a ticket out of the slums) can be quite different. It also means McGillis doesn't get a heads-up where Rustal might be getting information on his tactics.

chiasaur11
Oct 22, 2012



Hobgoblin2099 posted:

Well, in case I was slightly interested before, that definitely sealed the nail in that coffin. :stare:

What's up with anime and the stupid, hot-blooded shonen protagonist who wants to be (Coveted Position of Acknowledgement)?

Well, one thing is that One Piece makes all the money. Another is that it lets the hero be proactive. If there's a definite goal to shoot for, then your character always has a motive to get involved in things, rather than waiting for the new villain to make a move.

chiasaur11
Oct 22, 2012



Dangerous Person posted:

No I'm gonna be the wizard king

If nobody wants it, I'll be the world's #1 hero, then.

It's like being Pirate King, but with better pacing.

chiasaur11
Oct 22, 2012



fit em all up in there posted:

Does it have any G Gundam stuff in it

Not yet. Maybe eventually in DLC, but it's more likely they're saving it for the sequel, to have a big draw on the box.

chiasaur11
Oct 22, 2012



MonsterEnvy posted:

Yuno is better then Sasuke.

Who isn't?

chiasaur11
Oct 22, 2012



Crabtree posted:

Okay so according to clover terminology

-Integrity
-Inteligence?
-Faith or something
-Luck
- THE DEVIL

What does a sixth one get?

Half off your next sandwich purchase.

chiasaur11
Oct 22, 2012



Kerning Chameleon posted:

At least Tokyo Ghoul found ways to surprise us with it's awfulness and ohgod why am i saying anything good about tokyo ghoul what the gently caress has anime done to me

You aren't saying good things. You're distinguishing styles of awfulness.

chiasaur11
Oct 22, 2012



MonsterEnvy posted:

Thats the official state largely for their protection. All are ether his daughters or wifes officially. But most don't have a relationship with him. Turbines is a very big shipping group with hundreds of members, all of them offically his wives. Some have barely met with him.

Not even hundreds. Tens of thousands.

And the mech Tekkadan found wasn't so much decommissioned as just buried beneath tons of rubble. Nobody even knew where it was thanks to the whole Calamity War thing. Thus, no chance to remove the reactor.

chiasaur11
Oct 22, 2012



Solkanar512 posted:

What the gently caress is it even doing in this series? It doesn’t advance the story in any way.

It's creepy as gently caress, but it's meant to be creepy as gently caress, and serves the function of cementing how, despite being shown to be three steps ahead throughout the first season, McGillis has something seriously hosed up going on with how he views the world.

Later developments really put emphasis on how McGillis, due to having the most horrific childhood on the show, (a pretty competitive title he still wins handily) never really grew up.

His grand plan comes from a children's storybook, he doesn't understand why someone would refuse to side with him just for trying to murder his kid, he gets along better with Tekkadan's social difficulties than with his peers, even the ones who, prior to his betrayal, would have gladly given their lives for him. And he doesn't understand why a relationship with Almiria is so loving wrong.


It ties into a lot of the show's themes, and it's meant to creep you out, but yeah. It's not a show I'd recommend to everyone.

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chiasaur11
Oct 22, 2012



Solkanar512 posted:

Thanks, this helps a bit.

Yeah, people were pretty skeeved when it first showed, and the stuff that gives the context is mostly later. First season has hints, but they're only visible (and properly horrifying) with the context season 2 provides.

One of the things that can make IBO a rough watch is how dispassionately it treats atrocities. The usual style for a show tackling an unpleasant topic is to give viewpoint characters who is expected to more or less share the viewer's morality and standards. When a show doesn't go with that, and doesn't compensate by giving a very obvious substitute indication for Not Approving Of This Action, it's easy enough to believe the writers approve. (Dexter comes to mind as a show that forgot that being a serial killer, even if your targets mostly deserve it, is not a good thing.)

Iron Blooded Orphans places its standard viewpoint firmly with Tekkadan, and Tekkadan is a pretty hosed up little band of psychos. Even aside from their basic method of interaction with the world at large being murder, they're orphaned slaves and child soldiers who had to have the concept of funerals explained to them. Equally important, where most shows pick the relatively normal, sympathetic members of a group for the lead, Mikazuki's the most damaged of the lot.

The show tries to use framing tricks and such to try to indicate some of the things it thinks aren't good, but it's easy enough to miss them (I mean, a lot of people didn't pick up on how the first fight of season 1 was Barbatos rising up from the dust, while the second season opened with Barbatos breaking as it crashed down from the heavens, and that's some pretty basic symbolism.). It's somewhat similar to the Breaking Bad problem, where the writers felt sure they'd finally gotten the audience to side against Walt, only to see people discussing how bad a hand poor Heisenburg got dealt, and how he really didn't have a choice. No matter how you depict an immoral action, there's a portion of the audience who will take depiction as approval, and that goes double when the immoral action is committed by a protagonist.

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