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Vox Valentine
May 31, 2013

Solving all of life's problems through enhanced casting of Occam's Razor. Reward yourself with an imaginary chalice.

LORD OF BOOTY posted:

I've been looking into All Flesh Must Be Eaten and the expansions through the F&F and uh

okay so the core book seems pretty normal, basically what you'd expect for a zombie game around that time

but Enter the Zombie is one of the most utterly batshit loving bonkers supplements I have ever seen written for a game

please, please tell me they're all as insane and gonzo as that one is, I need to inject this entire game line directly into my veins
God, I wish. Enter The Zombie is so beautiful for the fact that it's just balls-to-the-wall nuts, the devs clearly had a passion for the topic and it showed. My initial plan was to shotgun the books back to back but then I got to Pulp Zombies, and Pulp Zombies is competent but it's not...stellar. It's a marvelously creative series but unfortunately not a lot of them ever really hit that same fever pitch that Enter the Zombie does. And being as long running a series as it is, the problem is that there's a whole lot of "yeah, this is alright" or "this is pretty good!" and not a whole lot of inspired stuff like the zombie fighting abilities.

I should get back on the undead horse and take some chunks out of the series again, maybe when I'm done with the core book of Abandon All Hope and before I do the premade campaigns.

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Vox Valentine
May 31, 2013

Solving all of life's problems through enhanced casting of Occam's Razor. Reward yourself with an imaginary chalice.

My Lovely Horse posted:

I don't suppose I'll ever know where that book came from...
The artist Liartown.

Vox Valentine
May 31, 2013

Solving all of life's problems through enhanced casting of Occam's Razor. Reward yourself with an imaginary chalice.

God that thing reminds me of the stupid racist heartbreaker made by the murderer from Mayhem. This does give me a chuckle though:

"The greatest inspirations for this world are Cormac McCarthy's The Road, satanic black metal, and ancient Mesopotamia. This is not another dark fantasy of Tolkien's, Lovecraft's, or Martin's influence. This is a survival horror game at its core."

poo poo yeah give me more Mesopotamian influences in media and poo poo. That's not a joke. The rest of it makes me laugh a little, just not that part.

Vox Valentine
May 31, 2013

Solving all of life's problems through enhanced casting of Occam's Razor. Reward yourself with an imaginary chalice.

Unisystem's Conspiracy X is a pretty decent game if you want the characters to be morally ambiguous MIBs.

Vox Valentine
May 31, 2013

Solving all of life's problems through enhanced casting of Occam's Razor. Reward yourself with an imaginary chalice.

Plutonis posted:

Is that a parody cover because I recognize the woman from a lovely van spray meme

Vox Valentine fucked around with this message at 17:35 on Aug 9, 2017

Vox Valentine
May 31, 2013

Solving all of life's problems through enhanced casting of Occam's Razor. Reward yourself with an imaginary chalice.

I am absolutely the figure slumping exasperatedly in the chair to the left.

Vox Valentine
May 31, 2013

Solving all of life's problems through enhanced casting of Occam's Razor. Reward yourself with an imaginary chalice.

Evil Mastermind posted:

I think I still have a quotes file somewhere full of Trollman's greatest hits, like how picking up a bow in 4e was houseruling (because monster default gear wasn't "real"), how being able to drive a car in Shadowrun was OP compared to magic (because you can just drive a car whenever you want and not worry about stuff like drain), and how you had to specifically make battleship armor immune to melee attacks to prevent players from kicking battleships to death.
:psyduck:

Realtalk one time I had a GM use, like, statistics to figure out how we could slowly cut through a 20 foot thick stone door in a Pathfinder module. Like someone asked "can we break down the door?" and he then did all of the mathematical legwork with like "there are five of you, assuming on average that you do 3 damage per hit with your maces and the hardness of the door...." And he finished and we were like "...Kay. Uh. We do that." and he let us and we finished the module early because whoops we spent like six hours tunneling through the exit door.

Taking into account what I just said and all of the other stupid, stupid rules-based shenanigans I've ever seen in a d20 product, that bolded sentence is still the dumbest thing I have ever read in regards to mechanical balance in elfgames.

Vox Valentine
May 31, 2013

Solving all of life's problems through enhanced casting of Occam's Razor. Reward yourself with an imaginary chalice.

hyphz posted:

I can.. vaguely see an argument there?

Like, "in a game in which teleportation is available but has a cost, the details of mundane travel must not be handwaved, because if they are it becomes mechanically equivalent to teleportation but without the cost?"

It's a really silly way of putting it though.
I mean yeah I would sorta agree with that except as previously mentioned you still gotta buy a car and also your car can get destroyed and it could actively gently caress you if your wheels got trashed. The car is still a resource/item that has to be used in Shadowrun and it allows you to do certain things and make certain checks and you can kit it out with stuff and yes certain things got lost in the abstraction because otherwise you are buried under ten thousand years of cruft on vehicle rules alone.

The argument isn't that mundane travel details shouldn't be glossed over. The argument is that because Shadowrun does not have rules about MPG or gas tanks or needing to refuel your car (as far as I can remember) using a car is mechanically better than a spell because spells have limitations in the form of strain and metaphysical fuel. Instead of casting fireball, ram your car into the narrow corridor and mow down all of the security guards. Instead of casting some spell to speed up, simply drive your car wherever you go. Which is still absolute loving nonsense because of two things:
1: as previously mentioned, there are rules for damaging items, your car is not eternal and indestructible. Money is still very much a resource in this game where you are broke and do illegal/quasi-legal poo poo for cash.
2: because there are no rules in regards to mileage and gas tanks, there is absolutely nothing stopping your GM from saying you are now out of fuel. He is putting the car on a pedestal despite many, many absent rules protecting him from the Magical Tea Party he describes.

His premise is so sloppy and incoherent and contradictory of what it stands for, it's definitely not right but I can't even call it wrong because its not even in the same place as it qualifying as wrong, it's standing across the street from wrong sipping a smoothie and picking its nose. I can, however, accurately call it wildly stupid, which it definitely is.

e: a friend has explained to me the whole Gridlink system thing and how some cars do run on ethanol so that's what I get for being angered and flying off the handle but the one I am mildly familiar with (4e) doesn't have rules for gas. Anyway. That kinda invalidates most of this post but I will firmly stand behind "you can lose your drat car".

Vox Valentine fucked around with this message at 18:55 on Aug 12, 2017

Vox Valentine
May 31, 2013

Solving all of life's problems through enhanced casting of Occam's Razor. Reward yourself with an imaginary chalice.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ccgkxP-4tVE

Vox Valentine
May 31, 2013

Solving all of life's problems through enhanced casting of Occam's Razor. Reward yourself with an imaginary chalice.

:shrek:

Scuze me while I laugh myself hoarse.

Vox Valentine
May 31, 2013

Solving all of life's problems through enhanced casting of Occam's Razor. Reward yourself with an imaginary chalice.

I got a feeling that judges don't read the drat products in front of them. I mean like duh obviously but. Lamentations of the Flame Princess and its official modules in general (BitC is one of them) have a long history of simply being marked as mature and then nobody really actually digs into them, they just see the brand name and the mature rating and shrug and don't question why it's rated mature. Someone has to legit just sit down and vet these drat things before they're even nominated to begin with, not that I trust the awards in the slightest.

Vox Valentine
May 31, 2013

Solving all of life's problems through enhanced casting of Occam's Razor. Reward yourself with an imaginary chalice.

That and all of the modules are just hardcore "this is my fetish, but it totally isn't, teehee, I'm using subtext to say this so you can't call me a pervert". Sometimes writers, all strips of writers, get horny. That happens/that's unavoidable. Just as long as they don't grip the pen with their genitals and start scribbling away. All of that dude's modules I've seen have weight gain fetishism and eroguro fetishism and his other main work (a module that forces Christianity into D&D so your characters can fight Satan in an abandoned spookhouse) has age regression, more weight gain and the fact that he draws all of his own art for the module has resulted in him paying particular attention to detail to the things inflicted on characters in the setting like a prostitute who was flayed before death and now exists as a sexy skinless corpse with unsettling detail paid to the musculature and fat of a body without skin.

And yes, mostly good reviews for his work despite being offensive at worst and at best deeply, deeply uninspired and so entrenched in referencing pop culture that you can still hear him jerking off through the references. If Ernest Cline was a relatively unknown indie game designer and actively writing while horny, you would have these works. The fact of the matter is that the dude is unknown and most people would just pass these mature modules with a "no, I don't want something rated mature for my players" and everyone who gave it a good review is probably going to anyway because they're the sort of person who saw a mature module based on Willy Wonka and said "I am willingly consuming this product because I want this product".

This is a circuitous route of saying do not engage further in his works, you'll only make yourself unhappy, and be the change you want to see in the world.

Vox Valentine
May 31, 2013

Solving all of life's problems through enhanced casting of Occam's Razor. Reward yourself with an imaginary chalice.

Arivia posted:

No, I mean the actual main characters.

Here's Blood in the Chocolate, with a woman of colour leading the way (and she recurs through the internal art): http://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/199571/Blood-in-the-Chocolate

Here's another LotFP cover with only women of colour on it as the active characters: http://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/175129/World-of-the-Lost
Yeah, uh. The author behind that generally writes the core NPCs of the module to be women, like the example characters and the side characters are generally women (Hell House Beckons has one man who is a little boy). Then bad, bad things happen to them because the author is one of those guys who is like "I'm a feminist and I love women and am embracing these horror tropes and violence against women tropes because I recognize they're problematic but I'm taking them back for women". Like "I'm having bad things happen to both genders equally except there are more women than men because I'm going for grindhouse horror/giallo horror thing here".

Someone mentioned in the general "oh god why" discussion of Death By Chocolate (better name for that, honestly) that his next work is entitled "Vaginas are Magic".

Vox Valentine
May 31, 2013

Solving all of life's problems through enhanced casting of Occam's Razor. Reward yourself with an imaginary chalice.

Evil Mastermind posted:

That was their Free RPG Day thing either this year or last year, if I remember correctly.
This year, apparently. I guess I just conflated the two because he was stanning for it.

Vox Valentine
May 31, 2013

Solving all of life's problems through enhanced casting of Occam's Razor. Reward yourself with an imaginary chalice.

Agreed.

Vox Valentine
May 31, 2013

Solving all of life's problems through enhanced casting of Occam's Razor. Reward yourself with an imaginary chalice.

The Book of Unremitting Horror has some fascinating monsters (the Organ Grinder, the Torture Dogs, the Shattterer) and some other monsters I will never use (the Man at the Bar, the Blossomer, the Snuff Golem). It is an impressively creative book and also not a book for people might be squeamish about abusive content. I would say that's generally worth the price of admission.

The Mystery Man can go eat a dick, though. He sucks.

Vox Valentine fucked around with this message at 19:31 on Aug 25, 2017

Vox Valentine
May 31, 2013

Solving all of life's problems through enhanced casting of Occam's Razor. Reward yourself with an imaginary chalice.

dwarf74 posted:

Yeah, it's a lot more outright regular, disturbing, and/or body horror than the kind of Lovecraftian cosmic horror, mixed with aliens, reptoids, deros/hollow-earth residents, etc. that I was originally going to lean towards.
Ha ha yeah I can't blame you, I'd prefer a much lighter take than the Esoterrorists normally takes. If I were you I'd steal some notes from the Unisystem run on Conspiracy X.

Vox Valentine
May 31, 2013

Solving all of life's problems through enhanced casting of Occam's Razor. Reward yourself with an imaginary chalice.

I really hope to god they were metaphorical brothers and not family because Christ alive I can't stand family for more than 8 hours under friendly circumstances and tabletop after a certain period of time becomes a chore. If he didn't make this roll or whatever it probably would've ended with straight fratricide because, like, that's the only way this story isn't about "the time we wasted 16 hours playing D&D and then this stupid fucker ruined everything". It becomes something your family would not let you forget.

Vox Valentine
May 31, 2013

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Kobold dimorphism is reminding me of an idea I had for a fantasy setting where the phrase "kobold" is generally used to describe "vermin" races so-named by haughty natural philosophers from some ruling empire. They pick apart everything related to the biology and anatomy of the creature and document reproduction and everything and then ultimately declare them kobolds.

To which Tiamat responds "d'awww, they're my babies now" and supernaturally adopts the entire species, using her powers to change everything about the creature so that they differ just slightly from what the philosophers have discovered and for good measure make them completely fertile with all other kobolds. The moment a species is declared a kobold, the ecosystem gets slapped in the face because the species starts giving birth to bipedal lizards, bipedal dogs, sentient lichen colonies, beetle-taurs, etc. and the kobold gains a massive foothold in the ecosystem due to increased diversity.

It is now A Problem because 20 or so species are lumped under the banner of kobold and the ecological disruptions keep getting worse but the philosophers don't care.

Vox Valentine
May 31, 2013

Solving all of life's problems through enhanced casting of Occam's Razor. Reward yourself with an imaginary chalice.

Tiamat works in mysterious ways, my friend.

Vox Valentine
May 31, 2013

Solving all of life's problems through enhanced casting of Occam's Razor. Reward yourself with an imaginary chalice.

Shrieking Muppet posted:

I'm Hoping someone here can tell me where to look for something for paranoia . I think after my troubleshooters are forced to complete brain surgery I would like to have them try something easier, I've read a couple of stories about a house sitting mission, I think its in one of the official books does anyone know if that's the case and if so which book should I track down?
I'm not entirely familiar with that scenario but I wish you sincere luck in trying to track down the book it might be in. Mongoose pulled pretty much every legal PDF down after they announced the Kickstarter reboot and I will absolutely say do not buy the new edition at all. Your best bet, for real, would be to sit down and come up with a rough outline of the scenario yourself. You've got a good jumping-off point, and unfortunately in the past I've kind of been a little bit burned on the official missions, so whatever ideas you have might possibly be better than the official product recommendations.

Vox Valentine
May 31, 2013

Solving all of life's problems through enhanced casting of Occam's Razor. Reward yourself with an imaginary chalice.

Don't do what I did which was read a bunch of his posts and then look at the podcast he does that he has mentioned in his tag because he says he has examples of play with his players. 'cuz lemme tell you, it says way more about the dude than the fact that he tried to pull a fast one on his players when he labels the most recent episode ""Storytime Part 2: How I came to stop believing in a post racial society AKA or how I stopped being an interracialist"".

It sucks when players don't have fun with what you're doing or trying to do but I've generally found that the best way to approach that problem is basically to say "alright pause we gotta talk about this" and then...talk about it, at the very least I enjoy chatting with people I've played with post-game about questions or concerns or things they'd change. I mean granted it was never stuff to the extent of what he did with the players, just more tone questions and poo poo like that.

Vox Valentine
May 31, 2013

Solving all of life's problems through enhanced casting of Occam's Razor. Reward yourself with an imaginary chalice.

Arivia posted:

Whoops I stopped a couple pages too early there is art of Slenderfinder:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvJniRif5og&t=194s

Vox Valentine
May 31, 2013

Solving all of life's problems through enhanced casting of Occam's Razor. Reward yourself with an imaginary chalice.

Impermanent posted:

are there any rpg settings with class struggle (not the wizard kind)
Red Markets which is a poverty simulator but with zombies where the goal is to claw your way kicking and screaming out of poverty and into stability and safety without going insane in the process.

Vox Valentine
May 31, 2013

Solving all of life's problems through enhanced casting of Occam's Razor. Reward yourself with an imaginary chalice.

Moriatti posted:

Over story

Vox Valentine
May 31, 2013

Solving all of life's problems through enhanced casting of Occam's Razor. Reward yourself with an imaginary chalice.

I just dislike how she keeps trotting out little snippets of world building that don't add anything to the world and basically just answer fan questions, like the revelation that wizards never invented plumbing until long after normal people, they would just casually poo poo or piss where they were and magic the mess away.

In more related stuff, I'm quite enjoying Pigsmoke for the writing and the type of game it wants to cultivate.

Vox Valentine
May 31, 2013

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Brother Entropy posted:

that's hilarious tho
I agree but it's still just enough to turn your head to hear someone just flat-out say that their billion dollar franchise had a point in the setting's past where people would just take a poo poo on the floor and magic it away and they are telling the fans this because their fans have questions they want answered. It's funny but it's odd in the sense of "wait did I really read this correctly? I did? Huh.".

Then again we live in a world where a man bought Beyonce's house and filled a room with candy he won't eat and it's slowly rotting while he posts hateful messages online so yeah as far as all things go Rowling is far from the worst.

Vox Valentine
May 31, 2013

Solving all of life's problems through enhanced casting of Occam's Razor. Reward yourself with an imaginary chalice.

Hey, congrats.

Vox Valentine
May 31, 2013

Solving all of life's problems through enhanced casting of Occam's Razor. Reward yourself with an imaginary chalice.

E: whoops wrong thread to post this, my bad.

Vox Valentine fucked around with this message at 20:15 on Oct 28, 2017

Vox Valentine
May 31, 2013

Solving all of life's problems through enhanced casting of Occam's Razor. Reward yourself with an imaginary chalice.

TVTropes also has the issue of cramming things that don't fit into those holes along racial lines as well. Is Samuel L. Jackson in a movie? Is he playing a villainous character or perhaps has to be a bit intimidating? Scary Black Man! Now admittedly these tropes do exist to begin with due to the fact that bad writing and racial characterization are part of a very complex interconnected series of problems and issues in Hollywood and American entertainment media or cultural differences if produced in, say, Japan or France or Australia. This cannot easily be reduced to a trope nor due they always want to explain the history of the trope and the cultural attachment behind it. However it is indeed a problem for that trope to exist but for there to not be a Scary White Man or Scary Asian Man or Scary Russian Woman or Scary Asian Woman trope etc. etc. This is because they say "well we just categorize what exists, it would be foolish to categorize Everything, we're not here to do that, that's a slippery slope that leads to People Sit In Chairs, etc." while casually continuing to use tropes like Scary Black Man because out of context there is a black man and he does a thing that isn't necessarily particularly nice in the moment.

Or as fool of sound said in less words,

fool_of_sound posted:

It actively inhibits discussion through their proliferation of categories that are so specific as to be meaningless.

Vox Valentine
May 31, 2013

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quote:

Furthermore, it's absolutely vital for the plot of future Issues that he win this fight, because he gets his Yandere girlfriend as a Random Drop at the end of the fight, completing the Battle Couple.
Thanks! I hate this!

Vox Valentine
May 31, 2013

Solving all of life's problems through enhanced casting of Occam's Razor. Reward yourself with an imaginary chalice.

Remembering Gate made me remember The Salvation War exists and how it's basically the Rationalist equivalent of Gate. And because so many people reposted it and spoiled it, the writer couldn't turn it into a sellable work and also never ended up working on the third book where mankind gets owned by a power that exists beyond heaven and hell so it's permanently stalled in this state of "and mankind took over heaven and hell and everything owned forever and God and Satan were both killed with superior human firepower".

Which is appropriate for the work, ultimately.

Vox Valentine
May 31, 2013

Solving all of life's problems through enhanced casting of Occam's Razor. Reward yourself with an imaginary chalice.

Got the GM book for the new Delta Green edition. Really like the direction they took everything in post-9/11. Majestic collapsed under itself due to a mix of in-house mutiny and the fact that they were fat and comfy on contracts without actually doing anything and the War on Terror stripped them of their funding because they were blindsided and didn't actually have anything to offer the government. Then the Mi-Go abandoned the whole Greys ruse and that was the final nail in the coffin. On top of that, the Karotechia was killed offscreen by Delta Green and GRU SV-8 working together. Finally, Steven Alzis hosed off in 2003 and nobody has heard from him since.

On the other hand, GRU SV-8 is the new MJ-12. They ended up securing their funding by becoming oil and fuel oligarchs and the Russian government is squeezing them to adapt and integrate mythos poo poo into the Russian war machine to give them a boost. Also Tiger Transit went under in a mix of IRS door-kicking and Delta Green shenanigans but now the Americanized Tcho-Tcho are selling legal weed and other plants that have had their genes mixed with Shub milk because they still own that insane biotech company full of cultists. I'm leery of a return to USA vs. Russia power shenanigans but it's really just that I think all aspects of MJ-12 should go away forever. And as for the Tcho-Tcho, I just don't like them, period. They too should just go away forever.

Best update by far is Delta Green. After the collapse of MJ-12, the sane members of Majestic made peace with Delta Green around the same time the US government said "okay you guys really can't run around being terrorists in this day and age, come back and we'll give you funding again". The ones who returned now continue the fight as members of The Program, utilizing the same structure and tactics within the government as they used before but now bankrolled by the government. The ones who said no are now the Outlaws, fighting the same way they did in the 90s and still clustered in deniable cells.

Both sides call themselves Delta Green.

You aren't supposed to tell the players that there is another Delta Green nor are you supposed to tell them which side they work for.

Vox Valentine
May 31, 2013

Solving all of life's problems through enhanced casting of Occam's Razor. Reward yourself with an imaginary chalice.

Splicer posted:

I've got some bad news for you *points at any major news site*
Yeah and the reason I'm leery of it being approached in the game is that it directly references the 2016 election and fears of vote tampering within the book. GRU SV-8 kinda doesn't need to be seduced into playing that role. The fact that in their receipt of funding comes corruption into becoming the heir of MJ-12's throne is a much better hook than MJ-12's existence because it's the corruption of an ally and that's fine. It doesn't need to have headlines from the last 2 years rubbed all over it, it doesn't need the "new mythos Cold War" angle.

Vox Valentine
May 31, 2013

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I think my only takeaway from that is that LaMarche is probably gonna do his Orson Welles voice for the dwarf character and all things considered that'd actually be pretty great. It wouldn't make me care about it, but I'd be fine with that choice.

Vox Valentine
May 31, 2013

Solving all of life's problems through enhanced casting of Occam's Razor. Reward yourself with an imaginary chalice.

Yeah as much as I am intrigued by Fragged Empire, I'm definitely repeatedly smacking my face against the glass when it comes to reading the mechanics.

Vox Valentine
May 31, 2013

Solving all of life's problems through enhanced casting of Occam's Razor. Reward yourself with an imaginary chalice.

If you're not a fan of NBA's supernatural angle there's always vanilla Gumshoe.

Vox Valentine
May 31, 2013

Solving all of life's problems through enhanced casting of Occam's Razor. Reward yourself with an imaginary chalice.

Alien Rope Burn posted:

Blade and Sean Astin, notable incels.
FTFY as per Mr. Snipes' contract requirements.

Vox Valentine
May 31, 2013

Solving all of life's problems through enhanced casting of Occam's Razor. Reward yourself with an imaginary chalice.

Apparently there's a centaur police officer which makes me want the movie where they hire the first centaur cop and it's a really clunky disability metaphor instead of a really clunky race metaphor.

Also I'm generally just immediately turned off on any premise where it's like "so something world-changing happened 2000 years ago and then nothing changes" like the whole thing in Bright is that the fight against Sauron in LOTR is like the death and martyrdom of Christ and then the world just loving happens like it did for us which is just flat bullshit and lazy writing. Details like that let me know it's just not worth my time.

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Vox Valentine
May 31, 2013

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Riddick would make a pretty good Santa.

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