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Morrow
Oct 31, 2010
Great success! Good job team.

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Morrow
Oct 31, 2010

AJ_Impy posted:

They never flirted with Shi'ite heresies. :colbert:

Let's be clear we did a lot more than flirt.

Morrow
Oct 31, 2010
My money's on Smolensk.

Morrow
Oct 31, 2010

RA Rx posted:

I'm wondering what the chances would have been if we'd chosen Catalonia, but the foreign policy would probably have gotten borked.

Qadis would have conquered Morocco. if we'd been Qattalun.

Morrow
Oct 31, 2010

The Bold Kobold posted:

C
This does not concern us.

A

Our goal in all of this is to build up international support for restoring our rightful territories: this vote is pretty clearcut in that Morocco is almost assuredly never going to vote for us, so boosting relations with Russia and Hungary is a clear win.

The previous vote actually hurt us a bit as, while only Hanover was angered, they have two votes to France and Bavaria's one, and break ties on top of that. B may have been better as it also leaves France weak and western Europe divided into small states.

Assuming a victory for A, that leaves Russia, Hungary, France, and Bavaria with highly positive relations and Hanover and Morocco with negative. The next vote, focused on the Near East, we just need to make sure we get at least one of the powers friendly towards us, giving us a slight majority (because, without Hanover, we won't win ties).

Then of course we need to hope no one screws us over when it's our turn.

Morrow
Oct 31, 2010

Cerebral Bore posted:

Why're people picking the option that only gets us in the good graces of some potential insignificant buffer states? Let's just suck up to Russia some more, and go for C.

C

Otherwise we might as well abstain.

Morrow
Oct 31, 2010
Given the choice between C and D, C is the least bad option.

As for France/England, United Kingdom would be hilarious.

Morrow
Oct 31, 2010

vyelkin posted:

United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern France

United Kingdom of France and Southern Britain

Morrow
Oct 31, 2010

habeasdorkus posted:

This is for all the marbles, and I'm proud to see the noble children of Andalusia standing together to reclaim what was wrongfully ripped from our bosom.

A

The Majlis, in its wisdom, will reclaim what was lost through the incompetence of the Majlis.

Morrow
Oct 31, 2010
Moderates promised me trains.

Morrow
Oct 31, 2010
Right, Zulfiqar's dead, I move we abolish the monarchy.

Morrow
Oct 31, 2010
It's time for some Imperialism

Morrow
Oct 31, 2010
Does allowing slavery, if you have no slave pops, even do anything?

Morrow
Oct 31, 2010
Colonies are forever.

Morrow
Oct 31, 2010
Imperialists. We can beat Morocco on land, but we want more than that. We want their colonies.

Morrow
Oct 31, 2010
Comedy option: There's the Azeri V2 mod that I still have. Since Victoria never has updates it works.

Morrow
Oct 31, 2010
At least with the Royalists we know they'll probably declare war again the moment the five year truces are up.

Morrow
Oct 31, 2010
Can we do colonies now?

Morrow
Oct 31, 2010

Moon Slayer posted:

:laffo: Whatever you say, Secretary Rumsfeld.

They would greet us as liberators.

Morrow
Oct 31, 2010
I've been voting Imperialist for a while and I'm not going to stop now that we are winning.

Morrow
Oct 31, 2010

ThatBasqueGuy posted:

Worse for us strategically? Agreed.
Worse in a "wtf how does this make sense" way? Eh, America and France OTL didn't have competing claims over the UK

The French, for decades, supported the Stuart pretenders to the English throne. They literally paid for coronation ceremonies where the Stuarts were crowned "By the Grace of God, King of England, Scotland, France and Ireland, Defender of the Faith, etc."

Morrow
Oct 31, 2010
Really the key failure of the EU4 seemed to be to not commit to any one approach: we did a little colonizing, enough to build a money-sink in the new world without the infrastructure to really profit. We did a little converting, enough that thematically we couldn't emulate Azeri Tolerance(tm) without ever quite establishing homogeneity in Iberia. We did a little conquest, but never quite reached the point where we could maintain it against a strong opposition.

And then we lost all three, as our colonies revolted, our armies were beaten, and all those oppressed minorities rose up.

Andalus's key failure in Victoria 2 seems to have been diplomatic: we've made bad choices strategically at the Congress of Cadiz, both in terms of our demands and in terms of who we supported, that gave us the worst possible outcome. And then our alliances with France and the Bavarians seem to have gotten us little benefit, though we have yet to see how the war works. We kind of do need to rotate between the different parties just because of how Hashim is handling techs, and we seem to have done it in an okay order.

Morrow
Oct 31, 2010
The Moroccan diplomacy is amazing. They consistently turn their greatest threats into allies.

Morrow
Oct 31, 2010
Don't switch horses mid-stream. Imperialists for a Second Andalusian Empire.

Morrow
Oct 31, 2010
You know, we don't really need a sultan.

Morrow
Oct 31, 2010
Stopping fascism by doing everything they want is an excellent strategy.

Morrow
Oct 31, 2010
The Iron Vizier would have accomplished more, returned more ancestral iberian clay, if there hadn't been a Sultan to clash with him.

Just saying.

Morrow
Oct 31, 2010
Or we can just try to not lose a war and see how that goes.

Morrow
Oct 31, 2010
Imperialism hasn't done us wrong.

Morrow
Oct 31, 2010

Crazycryodude posted:

Oh wow I just looked at the actual numbers and Aristocrats have full 100% weighting towards both socialism and communism, while capitalists are only -10% towards Socialism and -20% towards Communism. Seems like they should be weighted way heavier against it. The middle class all also have full weight towards leftism, which if they can vote is probably where the bulk of the red is coming from.

A lot of the underlying variables in V2 are not particularly thought out.

Morrow
Oct 31, 2010

NewMars posted:

Fun fact! Religion and religious policies in vic 2 do literally nothing.

It's very important that we accurately model Manichean China.

Morrow
Oct 31, 2010
The Celts are a pretty great ally why dont we ally with them now?

Morrow
Oct 31, 2010

MaxieSatan posted:

Now, now, let's be positive about this. Now we have a reactionary tit on his deathbed, with his (hopefully) more liberally-minded son taking over all meaningful aspects of Sultanhood and Kingship.

The SGA is building themselves up, I'm sure, which is its own problem.

This is actually a common pattern with hereditary authoritarians: they present themselves as a reformer to blunt liberal attempts to disrupt their succession, until they consolidate power.

Assad, in 2005, had a big campaign going that presented him as a liberalizer.

Morrow
Oct 31, 2010

loving love Fiona Apple posted:

Republics in Victoria 2 suck to play as solely because of all the election events that never make any difference.

One of the side perks of the AzeriLP mod is that Wiz removed all of those.

Morrow
Oct 31, 2010
Basically there are at least 1 or 2 million civilian dead as a result of the war and occupation.

Morrow
Oct 31, 2010
Yeah, honestly, as an Imperialist I am content. We have the largest colonial empire in our history, ruling over an area larger than Western Europe in Africa and a population larger than Western Europe in Bengal. With Ibriz, an Andalusian-speaking Gharbian great power, we've ticked off all the boxes. Plus we have pretty borders in our homeland.

It's time to consolidate and bring all that wealth home to Iberia.

Morrow
Oct 31, 2010

Rodyle posted:

There's literally no reason to vote moderate when socialist exists unless you just want us in a great war.

Moderate

Morrow
Oct 31, 2010
I'm hype to watch as the socialists bump us off the #1 Great Power Spot, precipitate a civil war that kills millions, and empower a brutal dictator in Africa.

Morrow
Oct 31, 2010
Really, the Khedive's massive slave labor population is a good example of full employment. And his elevation as a dictator just empowering the will of the people.

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Morrow
Oct 31, 2010
Imperialists because the socialists are destroying the nation and if that happens (again) I will go fash and be proud for it.

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