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enough hispanic people in the US are racially assimilable to white you're never going to get african-american levels of support, at least not until the white hispanics sort themselves out of the group also, if donald loving trump was unable to motivate hispanics to vote D at black people levels Tom Perez sure isn't going to be able icantfindaname fucked around with this message at 20:20 on Jan 12, 2017 |
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Feb 10, 2017 00:01
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but for real if those reports are accurate that Perez has it locked up holy poo poo this party is worthless
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Feb 10, 2017 00:04
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Brainiac Five posted:I like that the Democratic party now has to, at a point where it needs money more than ever, support itself entirely on the backs of the poor. Possibly unions too. turns out elections are actually determined by live human voters, not money, as HRC found out last november
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Feb 10, 2017 05:38
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Brainiac Five posted:You need money to pay human workers. Can't rely on volunteer labor indefinitely, not just for the moral reasons, but for the simple pragmatic reason that people need to loving eat you loving moron. trump had basically no ground game and he won turns out if people don't want to vote for you you lose no matter how much money, staffers and door knockers you have
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Feb 10, 2017 05:41
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it's utterly insane you can say the Bernie people got everything they wanted and then in the same literal post say medicare for all is crazy irresponsible lefty stuff. look forwards to permanent republican rule as the democratic center burns the party to the ground before they give up control over their pile of ashes
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Feb 19, 2017 05:21
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:It's not? Medicare for all is an example of "good idea for uhc that's not market based; bad policy because of not only that medicare needs a whole lot of work that he didn't propose, but also that his specific proposal was unworkable." Okay, never mind then. That was a dumb snipe, sorry IMO Perez will probably be the same in practice as Ellison but regardless of that fact who wins it will be interpreted as either a slight or an olive branch to Bernie voters, so it seems dumb to choose Perez?
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Feb 19, 2017 05:27
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Fulchrum posted:You mean like, say, conceding the entire goddamn platform last year? You do realize that in an electoral democracy you don't win by scolding voters as if they're children, right?
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Feb 19, 2017 21:02
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Evil Fluffy posted:President Trump is living proof that you're wrong about this. That's not what Trump did at all though?
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Feb 19, 2017 21:15
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The fact is the far left is much more likely to say gently caress you and not vote for ideological reasons than the center, so the party basically cannot afford not to do everything they can to mollify them. If they take an oppositional stance and tell the far left to gently caress off they will lose and you'll get permanent Republican rule. It doesn't matter how much sneering, open contempt you have for Bernie Bros and lefties and people who don't respect the meritocracy and the business of boring hard boards or whatever, those are the simple facts
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Feb 19, 2017 21:19
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JeffersonClay posted:Did you experience the campaign from inside a toxic echo-chamber of jilted Bernouts? Maybe you didn't hear what she was actually saying because you heard it all in democrat voice? i totally agree. i might be wrong. that's my gut feeling though
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Feb 19, 2017 21:50
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stone cold posted:It's almost like the media didn't cover her fairly, and you, by not taking your civic duty seriously and doing some research, and instead kvetching because mommy didn't bake you cookies, are being a ginormous moron right now trying to relitigate the primary and the campaign? no hes going to lose because clintonland operatives will have their due
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Feb 19, 2017 21:54
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quote:But in Atlanta, many Democrats were convinced they didn’t need Ellison to harness grassroots excitement. It’s not just Sanders’s backers who are energized, they argued. And officials said they are confident that most of the Sanders/Ellison wing will come back into the fold even with Perez as chair — in part to oppose Trump, and in part because Ellison and Sanders are themselves committed to party unity. http://www.vox.com/2017/2/25/14736930/tom-perez-dnc-race
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Feb 26, 2017 05:12
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Harrow posted:I sincerely do not see how you can look at the current government and not see how it is worse than other recent Republican administrations. It really is the worst possible time in decades to let the American left fall into infighting for the next decade and a half. "It's always the worst possible time" is a cowardly excuse to make legitimate political disappointment into an affront worth burning the country down over. It's interesting you don't say that in reference to the Dem's refusal to do anything but spit in the activist base's faces
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Feb 26, 2017 08:46
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Lightning Knight posted:Isn't the current French president part of the socialist party and also widely despised? you're right, america is france and its political situation is exactly the same
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https://twitter.com/freddoso/status/835590478988877824 We Did Nothing Wrong, There Is No Problem
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Feb 27, 2017 04:28
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Lightning Lord posted:Can someone just tell me what "pro-Israel" means here? I know what it means when the GOP says it. Is it the same or is it the nicer version where the Palestinians just lose their homes and leftist Israelis get punched? it's where you wring your hands about how settlements are bad but insist that israel's character as a jewish state is non-negotiable and that BDS must be condemned in the strongest terms also, Left Wing Antisemitism
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Feb 27, 2017 04:31
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Lightning Lord posted:Getting young people to vote is pretty much the most important thing possible and yes, regardless of your feelings on Tom Perez himself, this was a bad blow for that because of the way less experienced voters usually process politics. I really am frustrated despite liking Perez and thinking he will be a good leader. But I think the way to work with that is to provide a constant "Here's why this isn't as bad as you think" message, one crafted not to patronize or be a repeat of "Actually, America Is Still Great". I really am terrified that a shitload of young people are going to just fold up and consume their ballots now. Eh, I'm not that pessimistic, I don't think Perez' victory will cause the average millenial to quit the party in spite. But it is a potentially worrying sign Ogmius815 posted:He's probably right. Winning back 2 or 3 state legislatures isn't anywhere near good enough. If he thinks it is that's a major problem
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Feb 27, 2017 05:50
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nachos posted:lmao this is THE WORST possible way to frame this even if he somehow means (he doesn't) that it will happen as a result of more active and engaged democratic base it's implying that dems will win back a few state governments by doing nothing, simply by a correction. that's nice i guess but it is a weird thing to say
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Feb 27, 2017 16:39
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SKULL.GIF posted:Dead Cosmonaut, you gotta chill out and take some time to reflect on what people are telling you. you could make a pretty strong case IMO that upper-middle class professional and creative types are more of a problem in our politics than the billionaires
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Feb 27, 2017 16:43
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SKULL.GIF posted:I guess they do represent more votes total, and help to disseminate the messages created by the billionaires. As a resident of a state that was hosed thoroughly by the Kochs and their puppet Scott Walker, though, I can't really point at the doctor down two streets over and go "He's the problem!" as a Wisconsinite myself, no it's literally nearly 100% the fault of upper-middle class white assholes in the Milwaukee suburbs that the state has gone to hell they're not the liberal upper-middle class, but still
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Feb 27, 2017 16:50
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Dr. Fishopolis posted:First of all, we're talking median, not mean, so you can safely assume that that number is pulled drastically upward by a minority of extremely high earners congrats on failing middle school stats
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Feb 27, 2017 18:18
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Brainiac Five posted:Didn't you read icantfindaname's post? The real bourgeoisie aren't the people who control capital, but artists and professional workers. We must, as leftists, destroy all art and media and kill all the lawyers and social workers. They control human capital, so yes, bourgeois
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Feb 27, 2017 18:22
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Brainiac Five posted:Didn't you read icantfindaname's post? The real bourgeoisie aren't the people who control capital, but artists and professional workers. We must, as leftists, destroy all art and media and kill all the lawyers and social workers. By the way the real answer to this is to make college/professional/creative class education as freely available to the public and encouraged as possible. Centrist dems don't want to do that though
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Feb 27, 2017 18:26
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Brainiac Five posted:What in the goddamn? What the gently caress is this? Just go spree shoot at an art gallery or something instead of writing posts like these. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_capital
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Feb 27, 2017 18:27
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effectronica reduced to making fox news arguments about the poor having refrigerators and being better off than bangladeshis. a very sad state of affairs
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Feb 27, 2017 18:42
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Brainiac Five posted:Why exactly should Democrats give any control to people who are open about their desire to disenfranchise them, boast about their refusal to compromise on anything, and essentially threaten to act just like Republicans? Seems like Democrats would have to be really stupid to give Bernie-or-Busters any leverage whatsoever. Republicans are massively successful electorally, so wouldn't you want the left to act like them?
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Feb 27, 2017 19:39
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Brainiac Five posted:Okay, so if someone offers a bad idea you publicly fire them and blacklist them. Or if someone writes an email that can be photoshopped easily or taken out of context, bam! Fired. are you asserting the leaked emails were fabricated?
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Feb 27, 2017 21:30
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JeffersonClay posted:It doesn't make any sense to call 2012 a shameful near-loss and then call 2016 an unambiguous rear end kicking. Considering the disastrous consequences of Republican rule I'd say that's a fair assessment
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Feb 27, 2017 21:31
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Brainiac Five posted:Why? The average person doesn't care, so it's orthogonal to populism. The average Democratic voter does, though
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Feb 27, 2017 21:35
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Brainiac Five posted:It is. It's possible to admire Kissinger in the way you'd admire Richelieu or Talleyrand or Pope Alexander, but it's not possible to use c*** without being a misogynist or a Brit or a loving idiot. hrm. if someone held a gun to a woman's head and said if you didn't say the word 'oval office' he'd pull the trigger, would it be possible to say it without being a misogynist? JeffersonClay posted:But enough about Winston Churchill. I agree?
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Feb 27, 2017 21:46
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Brainiac Five posted:It is. You either are anti-women or you are not. There is no way to be both simultaneously so you can attract and welcome he-man woman-haters without becoming unashamedly evil. if the liberals in weimar germany could have prevented hitler's rise by attracting misogynist voters do you think they should have or not?
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edit: never mind, i'm wrong
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Feb 27, 2017 21:49
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Brainiac Five posted:A very contrived scenario so you can say slurs without feeling a frisson of remorse. Not surprised Bernouts love slurs though. Not surprised at all. you didn't answer the question
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:This is the dumbest thing I've read today. you must have braniac on ignore then?
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Nevvy Z posted:Depends on who you say it too. Obviously some people's feelings would be very hurt. Shia Lebouf should not be punished for shoving that guy. But he also shouldn't call that guy a "oval office". i think the idea is that normalizing mass murder and genocide is bad because it will lead to more of them in the future, and that hurt feelings are a lot less bad than even a slightly increased chance of genocide and mass murder the word oval office normalizes misogyny and violence against women, so that's a valid argument. but you cited 'hurt feelings' instead of that so
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effectronica admires pope alexander for banging lots of kiddiesBrainiac Five posted:It is. It's possible to admire Kissinger in the way you'd admire Richelieu or Talleyrand or Pope Alexander, but it's not possible to use c*** without being a misogynist or a Brit or a loving idiot.
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Feb 27, 2017 22:50
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Brainiac Five posted:You haven't answered if I should have murdered the old professor (strike 1- being a liberal elite) who praised de gaulle (strike 2- liking a mass murderer) and probably voted for hillary in 2016 (strike 3- yerout). murder is bad effectronica
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Feb 27, 2017 23:15
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Brainiac Five posted:Man, it sure will be great when we get rid of means-tested bullshit like SSDI and affirmative action! Color-blindness for everyone! that's not what that word means eff
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Brainiac Five posted:So are you still going to call me a child molester or was that just meant in good fun, you wretch? i didn't say you were a child molester, merely that you praised one. draw your own conclusions
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