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Main Paineframe posted:You can't just elect the right person, you have to elect hundreds of right persons. And they have to actually be the right people - "symbolic wins" aren't worth the paper they're printed in. If Hillary had won in 2008 and proposed the ACA in 2010, progressives would have figured out it was bad in 2010, not 2014. I think the symbolism in this specific case is more about boosting the morale of the Democratic base going forward. Keith Ellison would be a really effective olive branch to start rebuilding the party, inclusive with the young "berniecrats".
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Ya'll are glossing over a number of events that have frustrated the left, specifically the character assassination campaign against Ellison as an anti-semite, scattered events like Perez running away from a far left journalist asking a reasonable question about BDS, his support for TPP, his endorsement of Clinton, and the general push by the establishment wing in favor of Perez. These aren't nitty gritty details, these are anecdotes that made the press. This is a comparatively invisible, poorly covered process, so thats where people are making their judgments. Additionally, there's a lot of bad faith with this performative bewilderment as to why left wingers care about DNC chair so much. DWS specifically was a huge sore spot during the primary, and resigned over it mid-process! Donna Brazile leaked a question to the Clinton Campaign, which certainly didn't single handedly shift the primary, but is still an enormous breach of ethics and impartiality, yet she's still kicking around as interim chair. To a lot of Sanders voters, DNC leadership looks like a poo poo show, quite justifiably. The idea that the Sanders left wants a guy they can trust in there to ensure that their candidates don't get treated the same way is perfectly reasonable and understandable. Yeah the criteria for that trust isn't based on a sober analysis of the issue to issue support, or counting endorsements, or a perfect understanding of democratic party arcana. They want someone they trust, endorsed by someone they trust. Duh? By the real, rational, human, political standard that left wing Democrats are applying, yes Ellison is infinitely better than Perez. They aren't lobbying for the perfect record, they're lobbying for an administrator they can personally trust. It's super simple and it's really strange to me how many Democrats indifferent to or supportive of Perez don't even understand why the left cares about Ellison so much. Periodiko fucked around with this message at 18:28 on Feb 10, 2017 |
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:Summarized your post. Really don't think ya did.
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Brainiac Five posted:Characterizing a Jewish person as a phony infiltrator attempting to hijack politics from real Americans is sketchy. So is using terms like "donor class", and singling out Jewish people as exemplars of this "donor class" that apparently is distinct from the bourgeoisie. There are perfectly innocent explanations, I am sure, but y'all can't control your fool mouths for long enough to throw some bloodthirstiness at auto execs alongside "unmanly" industries like finance and entertainment. That's a really disgusting way to defend Haim Saban. Really beyond the pale.
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Feb 10, 2017 18:53
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Brainiac Five posted:I'm sorry you're unaware that there are more rich people than financiers and entertainment industry people, and that they donate money and shape politics via their wealth-generated power, such that you merely run up against antisemitic stereotyping due to your fetishization of loving ConAgra and GE and Lockheed Martin as more innocent than the guy who brought over Power Rangers. I hope you become smarter and less ignorant in the future, such that you can successfully criticize the role of wealth in American politics. Please stop, this is really grotesque and upsetting.
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Feb 10, 2017 18:59
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Brainiac Five posted:Insisting that it's Jewish Zionists who control American foreign policy concerning Israel more than the MIC and various Gentile imperialists is also very telling. Literally no one said this. Please stop.
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Brainiac Five posted:A shame people extended that to "Saban is a fake American and the most relevant example of wealth corrupting politics", then. No one said this, either.
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