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Am I correct in my understanding that Perez supported TPP while Ellison did not? If so, that seems to be a good argument for supporting Ellison.
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stone cold posted:That is their one and only policy difference, yes, but seeing as how Perez was Secretary of Labor, what substantive argument do you have to make against TPP? For instance the left is understandably skeptical of the ISDS, also left and right rust belt voters alike notice that globalization has distributed wealth out of their communities. I say that as someone who knows that NAFTA is considered to have been a net positive for the US economy and that globalization isn't going to get "switched off" just because a trade deal gets blocked. What I'm saying is that there are politically significant states in which it is easy to see why voters hate TPP. And in a climate where the Democratic party is smeared as catering to "elite" interests, is it really wise for a TPP supporter to run the DNC? Sure, most voters don't attend to the minutiae of DNC elections, but to the extent that the party gets tied to these big trade deals, it will hurt the ability of the party to grow. I understand that as Secretary of Labor, Perez was going to support Obama’s trade policy no matter what, but I'd prefer a DNC chair who never supported it.
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"Rigged" isn't the best word, but it's true that the DNC violated its neutrality and tipped the scales for Clinton. She almost certainly would have won the nomination anyway, but the DNC's behavior during the campaign was still unacceptable. One can see why Bernie supporters were pissed. Even though "rigged" is a bit strong, I was really happy to see Perez validate legitimate critiques of the DNC's underhandedness. That is, until he walked back those comments. Perez as DNC chair would hurt the party too much. Bernie supporters would glean that the party isn't with them and that it learned nothing from their 2016 miscalculations. And according to the AP, Perez is the front runner, having all but locked up the nomination. This is a disaster and wagging the finger at Bernie supporters, telling them they shouldn't feel the way they feel about this will only sow more discord in the party.
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Feb 9, 2017 18:32
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For those who were asking me to source the claim that Perez is the front runner, this is the article I was referring to
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Feb 10, 2017 20:55
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https://twitter.com/JordanChariton/status/835524177314603009 https://twitter.com/collinrees/status/835528226025897990 The party is a dumpster fire of corporate money and the paid DNC consultants who siphon it away from down ballot races.
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Feb 25, 2017 18:01
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Quorum posted:All the chair candidates have been falling all over themselves to compliment each other and reiterate how much they respect one another, but (and this is one way this race does have parallels with last year's primary) a lot of people don't seem to have picked up that message. This vote is not about compliments, it's about whether the party will signal a shift away from the big donor and consultant classes. If/when Perez wins, it will not matter that Ellison is praising him up and down and begging Bernie supporters to recognize him as a progressive. They will feel that the party takes their support for granted and they will leave it, myself included.
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Feb 25, 2017 18:11
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https://twitter.com/JStein_Vox/status/835535173131374593
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Feb 25, 2017 18:26
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GyroNinja posted:Actually, I've been told that Bernie supporters held their noses and voted for Hillary at an historic rate, and she still lost to Trump, so it's pretty obvious that courting Bernie supporters isn't the answer. The Bernie supporters who voted at all in the general election (myself included) largely held their nose and voted for Hillary. But her GOTV effort among the Democratic base was obviously insufficient in almost all of the swing states. Some Bernie supporters stayed home, especially those who were disgusted with DNC bias during the primary, and then later the Tim Kaine pick. HRC's campaign strategy felt like a pitch to barely extant moderate Republicans.
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Feb 25, 2017 18:52
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Confounding Factor posted:Perez 213.5 Ellison 200 Democrats abroad get half a vote. Edit: f,b
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Feb 25, 2017 20:25
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Black delegates are all behind Perez. Just like with Bernie they are spurning true socialism for identity politics and corporatism. If you think identity politics needs to be intersectional with class, I agree with you. But making statements about "blacks can't be socialists" and in effect shaming them for race solidarity is dumb, racist, and unhelpful.
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Feb 25, 2017 20:59
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Condiv posted:its cool and good we lose ellison in congress so that the establishment has an empty suit to tell him to shut up when they please. also cool and good that islamophobia won the day. gently caress the dems Yep, they've learned nothing. Switching my party registration to independent.
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Quorum posted:If this was a pointless sop meant to neutralize all that is good in the Democratic Party, then why did Keith Ellison, only honest and virtuous candidate for chair, take it? Presumably because they made a deal over dinner ten days ago that for the sake of party unity, whoever lost would accept the deputy spot. https://twitter.com/theRza2u/status/835588730823958528
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