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pr0zac
Jan 18, 2004

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posting on the first page and all that

and good lord we need to get some better resource links for newbies than r/netsec, like its good for a reddit but its still reddit

pr0zac fucked around with this message at 18:24 on Jan 5, 2017

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pr0zac
Jan 18, 2004

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cheese-cube posted:

thankyou for doing the needful afreak.

for content my ops mgr has asked me if i want to move to the secops team. talk about a secfuck. not the first time he's asked me either, i turned him down in february 2015 becos lol

What are you up to currently and why wouldn't you wanna move? secops can be fun, get to play with a bunch of cool security tools

cheese-cube posted:

we're better than reddit by virtue of not being reddit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOqb_UzJSUQ

meant it more for the industry as a whole as opposed to this thread, its kind of nuts that the best source for infosec news (wtf did i write newbies?) is a god drat subreddit

wasnt meant as reddit hate either, though i did send that video to my brother over the holidays after he kept sending me stupid dumb reddit links

pr0zac
Jan 18, 2004

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Heresiarch posted:

you still can't download a windows 7 ISO from MS afaict, but they even have a tool for downloading windows 10

no one should be running windows 7 when win10 is a free upgrade

pr0zac
Jan 18, 2004

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Heresiarch posted:

the mobaxterm site is http and their download is http

its https for me? :confused:


pr0zac
Jan 18, 2004

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oh its cause i force https everywhere, looks like site defaults to http for some dumb reason

you can switch it manually though!

pr0zac
Jan 18, 2004

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The mongodb ransomwares aren't working because the dbs are still open to the world after the data is dropped so copycats are rolling in, blowing away the original ransom note and putting in their own, and repeat nine times so there's no way to pay the attacker that actually has your data

In other news, back a while I referenced fears that Russia had access to Telegram, but didn't have much more than speculation to back it up, one thing hidden in the trumppissgate docs is confirmation that yes, Russia has access to Telegram

pr0zac
Jan 18, 2004

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In other Telegram sucks news, nadim going to grad school has done good things

https://twitter.com/kaepora/status/819181464369577984

pr0zac
Jan 18, 2004

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A Pinball Wizard posted:

what is trumppissgate?

Fake edit: my phone autocorrected trumppissgate to trumpageddon

Look man, if you're gonna do the joose and forget the last three days don't look at us to fill in the details

(Trump likes watching hookers pee on each other, Russia has docs/video on this and other blackmail material, it is the only thing anyone on twitter, TV news, etc has been talking about the last couple days)

pr0zac
Jan 18, 2004

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spankmeister posted:

Care to elaborate?

Sorry, I'm on phone waiting for my wife's car to be fixed thus lack of details.

http://www.theverge.com/2017/1/11/14237136/trump-leak-telegram-security-cracked-russia-encryption

quote:

An FSB [Russian secret service] cyber operative flagged up the ‘Telegram’ enciphered commercial system as having been of especial concern and therefore heavily targeted by the FSB, not least because it was used frequently by Russian internal political activists and oppositionists. His/her understanding was that the FSB now successfully had cracked this communications software and therefore it was no longer secure to use.

pr0zac
Jan 18, 2004

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anthonypants posted:

everything in those highlighted printouts is bullshit

This claim is just as unsupported and rejecting everything completely outright makes you just as much of a gullible idiot as anyone taking them as gospel.

pr0zac
Jan 18, 2004

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gonna just quote myself on twitter here then go rock climbing instead of arguing cause the people who want to assume facebook is mustache twirlingly evil will never be convinced otherwise

https://twitter.com/pr0zac/status/819917881899155456

pr0zac
Jan 18, 2004

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ate all the Oreos posted:

last night i had a dream that i clicked a random link in this thread and it zero-day'd my browser and changed my user avatar to pepe the frog and started automatically making a bunch of bad posts and i couldn't close the browser

quoting this so once i quit my job and have freetime again i can go ahead and implement it

pr0zac
Jan 18, 2004

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apseudonym posted:

The security community is dumb and people running around shouting "WhatsApp can't read your messages even if they want to" was dumb and primed this freakout. People thinking it's a backdoor and not an obvious feature (omg I switched phones and didn't get your messages :() are just silly.

End to end doesn't mean you don't have to trust the people building your messaging app, but it seems like a lot of people missed that.

yeah basically only very few sec people get that the only way to make encryption and privacy protections universal is to make them useable by regular people, sometimes this means trading off perfect security to a degree in favor of usability in order to make adoption possible and advance the norm

this isn't a backdoor, its automating key exchange and verification because normal people don't understand what that is and wouldn't use it as a result, doing this means one billion people now have access to 90% of the benefit of e2e encryption, calling it a malicious backdoor is counter-productive to improving security for everyone

the even more ridiculous paranoia version of this is people who refuse to use Signal because it integrates Google Play services to send notifications (not the messages)

so much for my not talking about this more!

pr0zac
Jan 18, 2004

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ate all the Oreos posted:

are you talking about my dumb friend that i brought up in this thread before or do you also know someone who's that dumb

go read the hn comments for the guardian whatsapp article, its filled with these idiots

pr0zac
Jan 18, 2004

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Munkeymon posted:

makes a big difference to her

she's got ~30 years of "sorry but your federally mandated background check came back and says you did some uh 'ultra crimes'? new one on me but we just can't have that associated with us here at Billy Bob's bargain basement grease trap cleaning. sorry. *beep*" to look forward to

i think for better or worse chelsea manning will have a pretty large number of job offers at non-profits and other orgs wanting to exploit her visibility when she gets out

the major concern i have is that she gets the mental help she needs addressing the very real PTSD and other issues she's going to have after dealing with the last seven years

pr0zac
Jan 18, 2004

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fisting by many posted:

krebs released his big expose on the mirai author

https://krebsonsecurity.com/2017/01/who-is-anna-senpai-the-mirai-worm-author/

it's minecraft and anime all the way down

lol anime child so hosed, don't be a wizard if you're over 18 in the usa

pr0zac
Jan 18, 2004

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Shaggar posted:

enterprise agreements that anyone can get are like 30% off for a 1 year sub so I would bet Microsoft would be willing to give them something even better to be able to brag about hosting the identity management for the worlds largest prison.

i dont think the refugees trapped in australias island death camps are going to be included in this AD install

pr0zac
Jan 18, 2004

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Wiggly Wayne DDS posted:

they were always unusually insistent on saying they never analysed russian gov malware, even after the us dropped the iocs mentioning samples they had analysed prior

I mean its prob hard to know youre analyzing gov malware until you actually start analyzing

pr0zac
Jan 18, 2004

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this is my new favorite tweet

pr0zac
Jan 18, 2004

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Shaggar posted:

openssh has had plenty of vulnerabilities in the past and the idea you're presenting that because its linux its immune to attacks is absolutely retarded

openssh isn't a linux toolset, pls don't disparage a good software as such, that its often installed on linux machines doesn't make it linux any more than it being often installed on windows makes it windows

it also hasn't had a vulnerability that would allow an arbitrary attacker to get shell since definitely 2002 and MAYBE 2003

you might be getting it mixed up with openssl which is a completely different project and is actually a linux and very bad vulnerability wise

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Jan 18, 2004

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Subjunctive posted:

what are the regulatory constraints? windows update has the ability to execute commands given server instruction, as do all browsers with a decent update model

same, don't doubt there's some crazy regulatory thing around lawyer stuff I don't know, am interested in what it is tho

pr0zac
Jan 18, 2004

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this is really smart for pretty much the same reason bug bounties are smart for regular companies

surprised it didn't happen sooner

pr0zac
Jan 18, 2004

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dangling pointer posted:

is there a general best practices guide for bug bounties? like how to write good, informative reports so I don't waste the reviewers time?

also a list of things you should never do like the guy on the recent risky business podcast who got banned from yahoo for exfiltrating data via a screenshot

the guides on hackerone and similar sites are pretty brief.

thanks whoever mentioned I should try bug bounties when I asked for advice earlier in the thread, I'm having fun with it

some posts from a good friend of mine:
https://medium.com/@collingreene/bug-bounty-5-years-in-c95cda604365#.qk9ip49db
https://medium.com/@collingreene/to-the-bounty-hunters-9259b1544325#.91bslvtvp

the one thing thats not mentioned in there, don't be an rear end in a top hat and don't do the bullshit where you argue non-stop that some reflected XSS in IE8 on a unauthed microsite is a SEVERE RCE

there are actual people triaging your report, we remember the good reporters and the bad reporters and make very little claim towards being unbiased when deciding on payouts

basically go try to be fin1te, he is probably the best bug bountier in the world right now and just generally a joy to work with, last time i talked to him he was making significantly more a year from bug bounties than his salary at facebook: https://twitter.com/fin1te https://whitton.io/

pr0zac
Jan 18, 2004

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how does this thread have 90 pages of discussion i am so loving confused

pr0zac
Jan 18, 2004

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OSI bean dip posted:

so we have a "hacking" scandal going on in the local provincial government

basically the dumbass party in power posted a document out in the open and the opposition is being accused of "hacking"

gotta link w/ context on this?

pr0zac
Jan 18, 2004

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Sapozhnik posted:

Right but I mean what difference is it going to make.

If somebody's going to go to the trouble of taking apart my computer in a lab and applying specific Samsung exploits to the SSD firmware or whatever then they can also cold-boot attack my FDE laptop, which is probably asleep so it already has the encryption keys in DRAM.

Tbf though Macs have some sort of special firmware lock screen that lets them purge keys out of RAM when they go to sleep.

Define an adversary for your security measures, or you're just jerking off.

i'm kinda confused what exactly the point you're trying to make is?

like sure, for 99% of attack scenarios for 99% of people a SATA password is probably perfectly secure, this has nothing to do with it requiring NSA level ability to circumvent, simply that its usually just not worth the trouble for most people's data

its definitely not as secure as FDE though, even if that fact is only being demonstrated theoretically, and using FDE isn't any more of a hassle so I don't really understand what you're making a stand about?

pr0zac
Jan 18, 2004

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ate all the Oreos posted:

2000 indian guys running metasploit or w/e and auto-generating reports on literally everything their tools spit out and then probably 100 actually competent people

lol the ratios aren't even that good signal/noise and the bad reporters aren't skilled enough to use metasploit, also india isn't actually the worst country reporter wise

quote:

i'd be lost in the sea of piss that is the first group since i don't think i'm cool hacker guy enough to be in the second group :sigh:

maybe you're not good enough to be in the second group (then again neither am I), but theres a lot of stuff you can do to not be in the first group either, for instance: don't be an rear end in a top hat and give reasonable risk assessments instead of insisting your IE8 only reflected XSS in a unauthenticated marketing microsite is a severe vulnerability

pr0zac
Jan 18, 2004

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https://twitter.com/dchest/status/834808975556239360

owns

pr0zac
Jan 18, 2004

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we did it guys!
https://github.com/pirate/sites-using-cloudflare

pr0zac
Jan 18, 2004

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ate all the Oreos posted:

christ you have a lot of plugins why you got so many plugins plugin man

you should see my firefox instances

pr0zac
Jan 18, 2004

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Phone posted:

also laziness has paid off once more! I still don't have a password manager.

I guess 1password is out of the mix now :v

their website using cloudflare does not in any way affect security of their password manager

pr0zac
Jan 18, 2004

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Truga posted:

some password manager did send their passwords in the clear through cloudflare tho.

was it lastpass again? those guys just keep loving up

lastpass doesn't use cloudflare and even if it did it wouldn't have affected security of their product either

1password is what you're referring to but they weren't sending passwords through cloudflare, they just used it for their website

are there seriously people in this thread that think a prominent password manager company would have an implementation that would involve sending plaintext passwords over http to cloudflare?

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Phone posted:

yeah tavis' post mortem explicitly says 1password alongside okcupid, uber, and fitbit had data and passwords exposed

you idiots don't understand how password managers work

Truga posted:

no, over https. just not, you know, like normal people do password managers - in an encrypted container that only you know the secret to unlock

https termination through cloudflare means an nontls http connection to cloudflare (see these forums for instance)

pr0zac
Jan 18, 2004

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spankmeister posted:

u can still do tls between buttflare and the servers, i think it's what they recommend

still requires cloudflare to end up with plaintext forms of the html to do their magic which would be unexceptable for password manager data


zen death robot posted:

actually we use the strict https implementation so it's using tls the whole way through

i unconsciously clicked the NICE! button under your post, am liking having you around

pr0zac
Jan 18, 2004

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hifi posted:

is that really surprising though? i read about how MS gives you access to everything once you join their brotherhood. and they had enough snoopware installed that they can figure it all out in the end

Truga posted:

just goes to show these places might actually be a nice place to work at tbh.

agreed with both of these

don't work anywhere that doesn't trust you enough to let you know whats going on across the company

also don't work anywhere that trusts you enough to not keep an eye on what you do with that access

pr0zac
Jan 18, 2004

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teen vogue droppin that legit security knowledge

http://www.teenvogue.com/story/how-to-keep-messages-secure

pr0zac
Jan 18, 2004

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Munkeymon posted:

is the reward a shirt that confirms that your uncle does indeed work for Nintendo?

pr0zac
Jan 18, 2004

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spankmeister posted:

Mine still does.

its an option in settings you can turn off on android

pr0zac
Jan 18, 2004

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Lutha Mahtin posted:

a lot of yosposters are fans of the NaCl crypto library, so i was reading up on it. the papers describing their thought processes in designing it are pretty cool, and i think the papers are readable by even novice programmers. but then i went and poked around the NaCl website and found the installation instructions...


:thumbsup:

NaCl is the academic implementation, you want libsodium which has wrappers for multiple languages

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The most annoying thing about these articles is having to go remind myself which is zcoin and which is zcash and what the differences are each time

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