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Feb 10, 2007

i like hamprince's avatar and title text, but i've never seen him post anything that isn't dripping with snark

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Feb 10, 2007

Former Everything posted:

also, the hand-painted Fujimori (KEIKO LA FUERZA!) stuff everywhere made me look up why in the world a japanese family would be a famous political dynasty in loving Peru of all places
Alberto Fujimori is still liked by a good chunk of the Peruvian population. kind of amazing given that he was corrupt as poo poo, was a chicago school flunky, and put down communist rebels by suspending human rights for them

Plutonis posted:

Good news: Left Wing positions in Brazil have grown in the latest opinion polls which means the rising conservative wave has been completely killed by the Temer administration.

Bad News: Senate is very likely to pass the "Labor Reform" which will bring our standards back to the late 19th century.
are there any left-wing parties, perceived or actual, in Brazil that are willing to take up those positions, or is your political party set-up as unaccountable as it is in the US?

i heard that Temer is a hardcore evangelical and his cabinet consists partially of them. it's amazing how grotesque those kinds of christians are when they're in government or perceive someone as being friendly to their interests

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Feb 10, 2007

according to the brazilian government, opening 860,000 acres of rainforest to deforestation is a "compromise measure." i hate to side with Mrs. Tom Brady on anything but she's got a point

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Feb 10, 2007

Plutonis posted:

Bolsonaro is such a massive piece of poo poo and he's super popular because this country has gone incredibly fascist lately. I don't think even Trump would get away with telling a congresswoman on television that she is too ugly to rape
i read that he's also a huge fan of the '80s military junta. now that temer is on the chopping block, the odds have to be pretty good that bolsonaro is going to take over, right?

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Feb 10, 2007

as more socialists have turned their backs on venezuela in recent years, one accusation that i hear from them is that it's always been less socialist and more peronist. i've done a little bit of reading and the comparison holds up on the surface, but i'd rather hear from someone who knows more

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Feb 10, 2007

the wikipedia article on him translated him as saying "you're not worth it" but every other thing i've read said "you're too ugly"

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Feb 10, 2007

Top City Homo posted:

70% of the economy is private

state sector is less than in France

he should have expropriated the expropriators faster
lol so it's not even peronist, it's the same klepto-state that it's always been with lip service to socialist ideas. but as long as you talk the talk, tankies will look the other way if you don't walk the walk

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Feb 10, 2007

the ESPN article linked in Gizmodo is bigger and more comprehensive than the gawker family's usual "here's a link to the story, a rundown of its contents, and a couple paragraphs of us editorializing" format. other highlights:
  • Maracana Stadium is abandoned and had its electricity shut off for failing to pay a nearly million-dollar electric bill. it was converted from a soccer stadium that once held 200,000 people for a World Cup Final in the '50s and was the center of the sport in Brazil
  • the organizing committee is $40 million in debt, the IOC refuses to help, and they're bartering with cables and air conditioners to pay off creditors
  • multiple brazilian medal winners are now living in poverty because they live off of government stipends that have been slashed to a pittance
  • brazil's sporting infrastructure is almost completely ruined, also due to government austerity
  • seeds that were promised to have been planted by the IOC in one Rio neighborhood are sitting in a greenhouse

the olympics are the worst and the IOC is worse than FIFA

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Feb 10, 2007

Byolante posted:

You say that now but we haven't had the Qatar world cup yet.
fun fact: during one of the rounds to decide who would host the 2016 olympics, Doha had more votes than Rio. the IOC still eliminated Doha during that round. why? how? who knows

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Feb 10, 2007

Byolante posted:

USA was supposed to get the 2022 world cup and the bribes were all paid.
oh i know, and i'm still pissy about it

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Feb 10, 2007

Byolante posted:

The sad part is USA 2018 and Aus 2022 would have been perfect locations to host in terms of existing infrastructure and desirable locations for tourists to travel to. Neither had to build stadiums and had existing transport infrastructure equal to the task.
that's a negative for FIFA, not a positive. if you don't have to build stadiums, then they don't get to be parasites that skim off bribe money from projects

also USA and Australia were both for 2022, England was for 2018

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Feb 10, 2007

ArfJason posted:

whats gonna collapse first, northamerica or southamerica
trick question. because the world is so interconnected, most of it will collapse at the same time

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Feb 10, 2007

my dad's old work partner is retired and splits time between the US and buenos aires, where his wife is from (her family are Jews who emigrated from Germany to escape the Nazis). i wonder which will collapse first

Plutonis posted:

Lmao four Supreme Court dudes have been denounced for corruption. Literally every institution is rotten.
not glorious Bolsonaro

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Feb 10, 2007

dead comedy forums posted:

what I find most loltastic about him is that the army wanted his rear end on jail for conspiracy, treason and something else involving blowing up a bomb in a gov't building to blame the commies when the dictatorship was pretty much done for and he was hilariously saved by the general amnesty

human rights and the "democratic peace" literally got his rear end outta jail lmao
the irony will be lost upon him if he ends up winning

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Feb 10, 2007

Fallen Hamprince posted:

even better, his approval rating is literally 0% among Brazilians younger than 24

https://twitter.com/msantoro1978/status/911683718703706113
well at least he can't go lower among them

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Feb 10, 2007

it's not in south america, but the dominican republic loves to view itself as the white to haiti's black

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Feb 10, 2007

Fallen Hamprince posted:

accusing a random online stranger of rape is an insanely good way to own them and not evidence of terminal 4chan poisoning
that doesn't mean you should post

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Feb 10, 2007

so establishment politics in brazil today is disproportionately white, male, and evangelical? so much like the gringos....

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Feb 10, 2007

Plutonis posted:

It's whiter proportion wise.
the student of the school of the americas has become the master

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Feb 10, 2007

did the city of sao paulo elect a guy who's an inch away from being an actual nazi, or am i confusing it with the state of sao paulo?

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Feb 10, 2007

time to investigate bob marley's death from "cancer"

get that OUT of my face has issued a correction as of 21:53 on Oct 21, 2017

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Feb 10, 2007

Kunster posted:

Temer can no longer pee, which I guess might be a bigger factor to a future ousting of him for beeter or for worse?
he's still figuratively pissing on brazil

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Feb 10, 2007

dead comedy forums posted:

the fact that Temer got excused from working due to health reasons was a bit too much on the irony capacitors for me tbqh
it's good to be the king

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Feb 10, 2007

in his defense, empanadas are delicious

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Feb 10, 2007

between this and George Weah winning the Liberian presidential election, it's a good time for right-wing former athletes. i wonder if Curt Schilling has decided to run for US senate

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Feb 10, 2007

i bet Kaka loves him some bolsonaro, since he's a hardcore evangelical who once belonged to a church that ran a scam

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Feb 10, 2007

Yossarian-22 posted:

Isn't Weah a centrist type or am I wrong about that?

Edit: guess not. I was fooled by the extreme decorum of his political party's name
also his vice president is Charles Taylor's ex-wife who wants to criminalize homosexuality

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Feb 10, 2007

that's a good summary, but it doesn't mention Bolsonaro at all. that's important because if Lula is ineligible to run, he's gonna win instead, which means that brazil is fuuuuuuuucked. i'm not a praying man but i'll pray for Lula to stay in the race if i remember. it'll probably be outnumbered by the evangelicals praying to pave the way for Bolsonaro though

btw i'd be all for a writeup about the brazilian presidential candidates

get that OUT of my face has issued a correction as of 04:11 on Jan 24, 2018

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Feb 10, 2007

Sheng-Ji Yang posted:

the weird thing is its not like lula was really that bad for the rich. he was ultimately pretty drat neoliberal. yet they cant even allow his relatively modest welfare programs for the poor to the point theyre willing to risk totally delegitimizing everything and leaving the people no choice but violence, riots, revolution. how loving stupid.
regardless of how neoliberal lula and the worker's party was under his presidency, the brazilian markets still jumped over 2% when his conviction was upheld and extended

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Feb 10, 2007

and history is repeating itself, as the unfixed structural problems of the past few years are leading to a likely victory by a junta apologist. i read an article saying that lula's probable ejection won't help bolsonaro out, but i kinda doubt that

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Feb 10, 2007

Plutonis posted:

Temer sent the troops to take over Rios security until December. On an election year. It's gonna be a full on coup hahahahahahahahhaha
bolsonaro or military coup, choose the form of your destruction

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Feb 10, 2007

so dictatorship is an inevitability no matter who wins? chalk up another victory for the "lol nothing matters we're all hosed" crowd

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Feb 10, 2007

it owns that practically every prominent elected politician in brazil is far more corrupt than lula, the guy they decided to throw in jail instead

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Feb 10, 2007

joepinetree posted:

And it has just come out that Lula's arrest was expedited because someone at the DA's office wanted to "curb Lula's feeling of omnipotence."
loving christ. all this for a guy who took a neoliberal turn when he was actually president

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Feb 10, 2007

joepinetree posted:

https://brasil.elpais.com/brasil/2018/04/06/politica/1523033454_739753.html


Besides trying to curb Lula's feeling of omnipotence, they also argue that Lula is actively discrediting the judiciary, and therefore needs to be arrested quickly to shut him up.
i have no idea why they get that feeling, but that explains why he originally got 8 years, got that upped to 12 years on appeal, and got a demand to be jailed immediately at the Supreme Court

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Feb 10, 2007

Metal Cat posted:

The problem is not the justice system clamping on corrupt left-wing politicians (as long as it's reasonably proven), the problem is if it doesn't extend to absolutely everyone.
but both of those problems go hand-in-hand. lula's going to jail on questionable evidence and rouseff got impeached for using the same accounting trick that was used by every post-junta president, while temer is both more corrupt and more unpopular than both of them but gets to keep his job

you're right that this is going to lead to either Bolsonaro becoming president or a military coup taking place. i don't know the background of the brazilian judiciary, but i wouldn't be surprised if it's made up of people who are on this crusade because they actually want authoritarianism. that, or they prefer right-wing authoritarianism over somebody on the left

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Feb 10, 2007

joepinetree posted:

It's amazing how they botched this. Basically everything that could be done to make it clear that this was a sham was done.
at this point, does it matter that lula is a political martyr? he's officially done as a presidential candidate and it's probably gonna be either bolsonaro or another junta leading brazil in a few months

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Feb 10, 2007

dead comedy forums posted:

this is loving hilarious hahaha

why the gently caress go there to begin with, overseas votes are like 0.00001% of the electorate

(ofc it is to get the cash from any Koch-type figure whose notion of liberty for foreigners is only applied to markets)
there's a sizable brazilian community in boston and the metro area. why there? idk, because the legacy catholics (italians and irish) hate them

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Feb 10, 2007

joepinetree posted:

A Boston company had business in Governador Valadares mining mica. Once they closed that part of the business there, it became a standard case of chain migration (in the academic sense of the word).
ah gotcha. i think there is a similar reason as to why there are a lot of immigrants from ecuador in NYC, to the point where they were once the third-largest hispanic group behind dominicans and puerto ricans

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Feb 10, 2007

joepinetree posted:

As a result, it is unsurprising that so many Brazilian immigrants fall into that pattern that I've discussed here: being super reactionary in Brazilian matters while also being fairly liberal in American politics because they are people who think that poor people in Brazil are unworthy of help but poor people in the US aren't (because they either need it themselves or because they want to fit in in NYC or Boston).
so they're exactly like immigrants from India

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