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Mariana Horchata
Jun 30, 2008

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***edit: relaxed rules to include MBTI, zodiac, socionics, tarot, fk it even DiSC...as alternative assessment types for the same purposes originally indicated below - IK/mods/admin please change title to "C-SPAM Typology Megathread"***






Please use this thread to speculate on the alignment of people within the C-SPAMsphere including politicians, pundits, and posters (at your own peril).

In case you are not familiar with Advanced Dungeons and Dragons or don't look at Twitter/Tumblr, alignment is a categorization of one's personal morals and ethics into one of nine different categories based on two axis: Lawful-Neutral-Chaotic and Good-Neutral-Evil

Here are the alignments with short descriptions of each to help you along.

Lawful good - Neutral good - Chaotic good
Lawful neutral - True neutral - Chaotic neutral
Lawful evil - Neutral evil - Chaotic evil

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alignment_(Dungeons_%26_Dragons)



OK let's get started! Feel free to debate but don't get nasty or too serious or personal, k?

Donald Trump: Neutral Evil
Ed Balls: Lawful Good
Baloogan: Chaotic Neutral


Mariana Horchata has issued a correction as of 21:25 on Jan 16, 2017

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Mariana Horchata
Jun 30, 2008

College Slice

The Kingfish posted:

How is trump not chaotic?

Clinton=Lawful Evil

He could be for sure (Jeb! would certainly agree)...I just don't see him as an intrinsically chaotic type - instead he uses the law and disregards it freely depending on whether he can use it to his advantage.

I was going to categorize Hillary Clinton as Lawful Neutral, which I'm still not 100% on - but I am fairly confident that Bernie Sanders is Chaotic Good.

Mariana Horchata
Jun 30, 2008

College Slice

rudatron posted:

The best politician gets the best alignment

Robert Morrow: Chaotic Neutral

Definitely. C-SPAM in general tends to skew heavily towards chaos in general.

Mariana Horchata
Jun 30, 2008

College Slice

GlyphGryph posted:

I don't think chaotic good would ever be willing to be a sitting politician - Neutral Good seems appropriate though.

Hillary Clinton is True Neutral, as befits a radical third way "centrist".

Excellent points. It is difficult to apply this to politicians due to the very nature of their duties, but hey that doesn't mean we can't try, right? If I wanted this to be easy I could have just made a C-SPAM Myers-Briggs Thread you know (Donald Trump = ESTP).

Mariana Horchata
Jun 30, 2008

College Slice

rudatron posted:

The Magician: Campaign Donald Trump
The High Priestess: Hillary Clinton
The Empress: Ivanka Trump
The Emperor: President Donald Trump
The Hierophant: Ted Cruz
The Lovers: Ivanka + Trump
The Chariot: Joe Biden
Strength: Freedom Girls USA
The Hermit: Pepe The Frog
Wheel of Fortune: The 2016 Election
Justice: BLM
The Hanged Man: Jeb Bush
Death: The Alt-Right
Temperance: Marco Rubio
The Devil: Ted Cruz
The Tower: The Wall With Mexico
The Star: Barack Obama
The Moon: Newt Gingrich
The Sun: Bernie Sanders
Judgement: The Supreme Court
The World: American Politics
The Fool: The Voters

I like the way you think...edited OP

Temperance would be Huckabee or Santorum though.

Mariana Horchata has issued a correction as of 19:39 on Jan 16, 2017

Mariana Horchata
Jun 30, 2008

College Slice
Vladimir Putin: A Socionic Assessment

Socionic Typing: ISTj / / Logical Sensory Introvert (LSI)



:ussr:

Based on this assessment and socionic theory (MBTI is for Western сука) Vladimir Putin's duality pairing would be an ENFj / / Ethical Intuitive Extravert (EIE).

"Dual relations are characterized by mutual benefit and support, and are generally viewed as optimal for friendship, intimacy, and marriage".

Because the socionic ENFj typing happens to be equivalent with the MBTI typing of ENFJ this means that the following people (of similar wealth and social status) would be ideal matches for Vladimir Putin: Barack Obama, Oprah Winfrey, Jennifer Lawrence, Bono, and Sheryl Sandberg.



Conclusion: If I was Vladimir Putin I would lean in...

Furthermore, based on the earlier typing of Donald Trump (MBTI: ESTP = Socionic: ESTp / / Sensory Logical Extravert (SLE) ) their intertype relations together would be classified as 'Mirror'

quote:

"Mirror relations occur between types who share the same ego functions, yet place different emphases on them; the dominant function of one partner is the creative function of the other. Mirror relations are characterized by similar actions and motivations between partners, and mutual understanding. Interactions usually result in a drawn out dialogue, as each partner seems to keep opening up avenues of thought which the other needs to now clarify verbally."

Vladimir Putin' dominant function of (Introverted Logic) and creative function of (Extroverted Sensation) mirrors Donald Trump's dominant and creative functions, and vice versa.

quote:

"These are relations of mutual correction. Mirror partners have similar interests and ideas, but a slightly different understanding of the same problems. Each partner can see only half of one problem. Therefore the partners always find what the other partner is thinking interesting. Usually partners quickly realise that they are very like-minded.

The area of confidence of one partner is always the area of creativity for the other partner. What one partner considers solid and final appears incomplete and changeable for the other partner. This difference may often puzzle the partners especially when they fulfil their mutual plans. It seems for them as if the other partner simply misunderstood the main concept. Therefore partners attempt to correct each other's understanding but usually fail, because each partner acts from their confident side. For the same reason, Mirror partners can be involved in really hot disputes and can even come to blows in the name of their opinion.

However, Mirror partners are often very good friends. When they work together on the same project, their mutual correction and adjustment becomes a constructive criticism that is usually accepted as useful. The main discomfort in these relations is caused by the difference in Judgement and Perception between the partners. Mirror partners generally agree about setting near future goals, but disagree about global aims. Mirror relations usually lack warm atmosphere between partners. This situation normally changes in presence of a third person who is Dual to one partner and an Activity partner to the other."






Sources:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socionics#The_16_types
http://www.socionics.com

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Mariana Horchata
Jun 30, 2008

College Slice

Squizzle posted:

hillary is lawful neutral w good tendencies

Squizzle posted:

President Obama is lawful good w v strong lawful neutral tendencies


:agreed:

Additionally the skewing of of Barack Obama between Lawful Good and Lawful Neutral is something that could (and IMHO should) be examined further...whether it be a post or a dissertation.

Has this been a personal shift in morality and ethics that has come as a result of his experiences of the past 10 years? Or is it a reflection of a philosophy of consequentialism that has either developed over his two terms as President or has been dormant until taking office? :obama:

Mariana Horchata
Jun 30, 2008

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Baloogan posted:

obama is neutral evil

You may actually be True Neutral, like a druid.

Mariana Horchata
Jun 30, 2008

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Ed Balls is an ENFJ

Mariana Horchata
Jun 30, 2008

College Slice

Squizzle posted:

ed balls is alignment ed balls

yeah two syllables

just like

ed balls


Fat Lowtax posted:

Gulen: Lawful Evil
Erdogan: Neutral Evil
ISIS: Chaotic Evil
PKK: Chaotic Neutral

yeah in the global context things certainly open up a bit dont they?

Mariana Horchata
Jun 30, 2008

College Slice

<- IMHI

Mariana Horchata
Jun 30, 2008

College Slice
Steve Bannon: ENTJ





Squizzle posted:

sean spicer—half orc

yea for real that was like in my first set of thoughts first time i seen

Mariana Horchata
Jun 30, 2008

College Slice
Sen. Lindsey Graham - ESTJ

Mariana Horchata
Jun 30, 2008

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VectorSigma posted:

can anyone name a single intp in elected office? being one, i can't see being able to tolerate the bullshit inherent and remain sane.



:hai:

Mariana Horchata
Jun 30, 2008

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Grognan posted:

alcoholic socialist.

so what?

Mariana Horchata
Jun 30, 2008

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supposedly Hillary claimed to be an INTJ

fkn no Crooked Hillary is an ESTJ at best lol just lol

Mariana Horchata
Jun 30, 2008

College Slice

GlyphGryph posted:

Trump is choleric

Hillay was melancholic

Bernie is phlegmatic

yeah and we were all quite humoured werent we?

Mariana Horchata
Jun 30, 2008

College Slice
I took the aspie quiz and my results indicated that i am...

Alakazam











ahh i stand corrected, i guess most ppl dont understand who u really are Linds...

P.S. im p sure trump doxxed u because of hair envy...because drat is that is one Presdential af head of hair u got there Sen - in fact id go so far to suggest u start up a queer eye for the straight guy caucus to discuss makeover ideas for trump :q:

Mariana Horchata has issued a correction as of 19:27 on Feb 19, 2017

Mariana Horchata
Jun 30, 2008

College Slice

Nebakenezzer posted:

Trump is Chaotic Neutral - like whatever the opposite of a Modron is, some sort of orange chaos golem, one of those things you never encounter outside of planescape

If we're doing alignments by plane, I'd say Trump dwells in one of those pain-in-the-rear end tangential planes, in this case the howling winds of Pandemonium, CN verging on Evil

All true worshipers of Eris are the unwitting ones

Hilary Clinton is by contrast super-lawful, a creature of the system

I'd say she has attempted to be good most of her career, but actually being a effective operator in an increasingly corrupt kleptocracy has eroded that stance. If you want to be nice, plunk her in Arcadia, the LN verging on Good

If you wanted to put her down into the outlands of True Neutral, I have sympathy

Obama is in a very similar position, he was the true reformer. He was very much America's Mikhail Gorbachev: someone who wanted to reform the system in order to save it. He never understood that the system itself was the problem. He could never make that leap, and thus his failure of imagination became ours

No politician today (save perhaps the Hobo of the King, Steve Bannondorf) understands that to build a temple, you must first haul down the old one, that such destruction is necessary. They all spent their careers praising the 'creative destruction' of the market; they of course didn't recognize that such a principle could apply to them as well

Joe Biden is actually Lawful Good, more the shame that he didn't run

oooh the alignments by plane is a great idea...ty i will have to add that to my repertoire for contemplations

Mariana Horchata
Jun 30, 2008

College Slice

Maduo posted:

i may have misunderstood this thread

nope...pls continue

Mariana Horchata
Jun 30, 2008

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Bernie would have been Akzidenz-Grotesk...

Mariana Horchata
Jun 30, 2008

College Slice

Nebakenezzer posted:

I don't really see Cruz as lawful evil. He's a saving throw away from giving into his lust to torture people in his basement.

I guess I see Lawful Evil people as trying to hew to rational self interest or something, and Cruz is a garbage man who does whatever the gently caress he wants and doesn't care about anything else to the point even his fellow garbage men hate him

im gonna be completely honest

I think you should run for C-SPAM president to take over for crazy cloud cause i like ur style, ya got moxie kid - keep on posting

rudatron posted:

the D&D alignment system is too boring and limited to be useful in creating interesting characters

you're better of mangling jungian archetypes or tarot cards or some poo poo

:agreed:

even MBTI is kinda vague (and prone to confirmation bias) which got me into socionics which iirc is what the russians use when they compile psychological dossiers on ppl (and i do wonder if their assessment of trump matches my own posted itt)

Jungian stuff in general owns and i should really pick up a book to read into it more straight from the source - recommendations welcome...

Mariana Horchata
Jun 30, 2008

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mrbradlymrmartin posted:

you oughta read civilization and its pisscontents by sigmund floyd

shiet i totally forgot to ask u about ur travels and nam stories last nite - im interested to here more as ive been considering doing the same (but am admittedly clueless about doing so)...feel free to PM or just wait until next late nite chat

Mariana Horchata
Jun 30, 2008

College Slice

Maduo posted:

I would totally play a game where you create your characters based on tarot readings, that sounds cool as hell

i always liked that sort of old school RPG approach towards character creation based upon answering a series of questions

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Mariana Horchata
Jun 30, 2008

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Nebakenezzer posted:

:stoked:

I'd be down for an office run if the opportunity arose. I look forward to being the Nixon to Crazy Cloud's unkillable JFK

Also a typology I forgot: blood type

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_type_personality_theory

CSPAM will like it as the wikipedia article says it developed in opposition to ethnic stereotypes from Europe. It is apparently believed in Japan and Korea and is widely believed enough that a senor pol in the Abe (?) government having a scandal apologized and blamed his blood type for his misbehavior.

Type A
Best traits Earnest, sensible, reserved, patient, responsible and cautious.
Worst traits Fastidious, overearnest, stubborn, tense, obsessive and pessimistic.

Type B
Best traits Passionate, active, creative, animal loving, flexible, cheerful and optimistic.
Worst traits Irresponsible, forgetful, selfish, lazy, impatient, unreliable and "going own way".

Type AB
Best traits Cool, controlled, rational, sociable, adaptable and intelligent.
Worst traits Critical, indecisive, unforgiving, two-faced, aloof and "split personality".

Type O
Best traits Confident, self-determined, ambitious, strong-willed, intuitive, agreeable, competitive and athletic.
Worst traits Self-centered, cold, aggressive, unpredictable, arrogant, envious and ruthless.



oooh another good one...i totally forgot about the japanese blood type obsession since i havent played SF2(T) since Clinton's first term and of course Mortal Kombat was made by americans who ofc could give a toss less

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fXmuBJlk0Y

also that reminds me idk my own blood type and should prob ask... -noted




Lindsey O. Graham posted:

Something Awful:
Chaotic Neutral

C-Spam: Chaotic Good

Debate and Discussion:
Lawful Neutral

:hai:




breaklaw posted:

MBTI is the only pseudo-science I believe in. How legit is the Aspie Test?



congrats on being a total normie i guess

tbh i wouldnt take it too seriously tho

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