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So quick effort post, about the attention to historical detail. WWI is often shorted handed as being caused by the assassination of the Archduke Ferdinand; while technically true doesn't quite convey the whole story. There are two intertwining causes, the political geopolitics that has its roots in the following: the Balkan Question stemming from the long running Austrian imperial interests in the Balkans, and the Russian Imperial interests in defend Orthodox christians within the Ottoman Empire and seeking a warm water port; and the byzantine plate spinning alliance games begun by Otto Von Bismark that his successors lacked the skills to keep up after his ouster. Second, was the military-industrial developments leading up to the first world war: The creation of a permanent General Staff, and the implementation of war plans and mobilization tables. To give brief context; the Kingdom of Prussia had won a series of wars culminating with their victory over France at Sedan in 1870 due to a number of reforms and technological developments. The Prussian General Staff happened as a result of the crushing defeat of the Prussian Army at the Battle of Jena at the hands of Napoleon; this "Military Reorganization Commission", worked to reorganize and rebuild the shattered Prussian Army. After the defeat the Napoleon the General Staff was formally established, but it wasn't until the appointment of Helmuth von Moltke the Elder that the General Staff was considerably expanded and consolidated, gaining the features of a modern General Staff. With Moltke at the helm after some false starts in Denmark (where Moltke's plans to cut off the Danes retreat are bungled) Molke gets his chance to show how good at war he is from playing games in 1866 in the war against Austria. The benefit of a General Staff is that you have a bunch of young intelligent educated officers coming up with elaborate war plans to be executed at specified dates and times in advance; the most important aspect of these plans is railway and mobilization time tables. A huge and crucial advantage Prussia had going into the war against Austria that entirely negated Austria's geographical defence-in-depth advantages is that their railway network was considerably superior; according to Moltke they could concentrate 300,000 troops in under a month while the Austrians only had one railway line to get 200,000 troops in two months to Bohemia. Thus, even if they could concentrate against a single Prussian army attacking in one direction; they have no way of doing so without two other Prussian armies quickly striking against their flanks. This despite Austria having superior field artillery allows Prussia to crush Austria and from there the way is clear for Prussia to unite Germany as a primarily protestant nation; but only France remains to oppose this. Napoleon III, Emperor of France is captured with his army surrounded at Sedan; largely due to the better organization, faster mobilization, and swifter execution of battle plans. Not that Prussia was invulnerable hell no; this is still the same Army that would invade Russia without adequate logistical planning during WWII; but the point is the General Staff and a greater emphasis on better officer training and organization allows the Prussian Army to more quickly recover and adapt to failures in the field. So what happens after 1870? Well my understanding is that pretty everyone in Europe adopts the Prussian model, widespread conscription, and hair trigger mobilization time tables; because if your enemy mobilizes 500,000 men and marches over the border than he's already as good as won if you're still struggling to mobilize in turn. Creating these war plans and organizing them according to the scale of multi million man professional armies is a massive colossal undertaking and also makes them extremely rigid. Adjusting these plans can take weeks in order to properly reroute the hundreds if not thousands of trains that need to also be ferrying supplies to your front line units; you can't just throw a division onto a train and get to Point B; you'll have collisions and traffic jams for sure. So for WWI, the last great chance for peace where Kaiser Wilhelm and Tsar Nichalas tried to hash things out privately over telegram, was mainly foiled because of how difficult it would be to cancel mobilization orders once sent; it would be chaos; and the war could be won or lost in that time. So a lot of people with passing familiarity with WWI tend to blame what is usually called the "Schlieffen Plan"; because according to Wikipedia: "Field Marshal Alfred von Schlieffen was the Chief of the Imperial German General Staff from 1891 to 1906 and in 1905–06 devised a deployment plan for a war-winning offensive"; and that this is the plan that called for a massive quick offensive against France by storming through the Low Countries. This plan has had a lot of back and forth over the years but the basic idea is that for the plan to have a hope of working rapid deployment of forces over rail lines is crucial. German strategic thinking for WWI is basically "Defeat France first super quick and then somehow something *mumble mumble* defeat Russia!" So in Tanya of the Evil we see something similar happens in what I'm calling the "3-15 War"; in Tanya the Imperial General Staff have devised a similar war winning plan to win the war (called Plan 315) by deploying their best troops quickly over railways to crush their enemies piece meal, while the rest of the army holds the fort delaying the other fronts as long as possible; which is very similar to the Schlieffen Plan except that it doesn't appear to call for the defeat of any particular army as a prerequisite for ultimate victory. In the first episode this plan has already appeared to have failed; none of their enemies have been defeated and forced from the war and the plan basically now seems to have been downgraded to rather than being their War Winning Army, is their Main Fire Brigade force where its sent, not to win any particular front, but to avert disaster of the front collapsing. So we have the current situation of a primarily land based power locked into a two+ front war of attrition due to poor long term contingency planning, hrrmmmm where have I heard this before? I think the main reason why the plan failed is largely the same as to why WWI turned out the way it did; armies due to improvements in logistics, training, and armament, are now robust enough to avoid destruction in a single days fighting; and the economies are sufficiently industrialized and efficient to continuously supply these armies with enough munitions and arms to keep the army in the field indefinitely until one side collapses due to the sheer economic and human cost. So you know, they deploy their army, probably have something like the Battle of Tannenberg but before they can follow up on it another front is calling for emergency reinforcements due to enemy advances and the cycle rinses and repeats. tl;dr: I like how the story seems to be close not just to the historical events it is based on; but also models the underlying causes in addition to it. Like a big game of Hearts of Iron IV.
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Tanya is Charlie Brown and God is Lucy with the football, but unlike Charlie Brown Tanya has no choice but to keep trying to kick the ball, or die; but gets a little closer each time. Tanya's personality and dialogue is fun; and Ivanova is pretty funny too. "My new deployment isn't going to be destroyed my artillery right...?"  Command Ant posted:This is like an anime retelling of the story of Job. I *feel* like I've seen this trope before of a character constantly chasing the easy life but keeps on getting side tracked by bullshit circumstances and I'm not sure from where. Just Lucky Taylor comes to mind. The curse on the gem really does seem like some kind of unfair "deus ex machina" (  ) in a sorta meta-in-universe way if that makes sense? I hope that bites "God" back.
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MonsterEnvy posted:I should note that Tanya's problems here are just because she refuses to play ball and keeps bad mouthing God rather then get the message. To be fair as presented we, and Tanya, have no idea if this is really the same "God" of the Old/New testament or a simply sufficiently powerful entity that is claiming it is god. There's a moral argument to be said that the "right" thing to do is to resist in the case that this god is a faker.
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Yeah what I'm liking so far is what seems like a very subtle sense that it's actually frustrating "X" that Tanya manages to keep upsetting his plan to get her to submit. Potentially a show of "Evil vs Evil" done right.
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Namtab posted:I'm actually liking that Tanyas actions are leading to everyone around her praising God. Magnificent bastard I read his book in bible study!
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Paracelsus posted:Eh, it seemed to me salaryman was going more for "God must operate in a manner that accords with my over-adapted bureaucratic mindset in order to exist at all," rather than "God must bring about good results for me in order to be worthy of praise" (which I think is also a bad argument). It's difficult to judge, for example, even the most thorough arguments regarding God's existence by rationalists like Descartes usually presupposed to define god as "ultimate good"; and maybe by their definition and arguments you could probably make a compelling case that maybe it's not god speaking to Tanya; but the Old Testament god did do lovely things, i.e Job; and many non-rationalist Christians usually default to "God works in mysterious ways". I wish my Catholic theologian* friend was around/easier to get a hold of, he could explain very thoroughly the actual theological arguments to justify/dispute the depicted being as god. *His double major was in both philosophy and theology and was aiming last I checked to enroll at the University of Notre Dame. So if ANYONE could shed some light in terms of official doctrine it's him.
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XboxPants posted:Ep 1 - How so? There really isn't anything to do with the ideology of Nazism in this show. The MC embodies certain virtues that iirc may be related to Prussian values but the show is a clear WWI-esque context. Nazism is really big on racial purity and the "internationalist cosmopolitan conspiracy" and seeking some Mythical past to have the modern society embody by shaking off the rot of modern degeneracy. By extension Fascism is about supplanting traditional morality with a new morality, of having the State be the vanguard against Socialism and having an Enemy to fight that is simultaneously weak, corrupt, and degenerate "One swift kick" and overpowering and omnipresent constantly working to undermine the moral traditionalist conservative State. MC really couldn't care about any of these things; MC only cares about following the rules with ruthless efficiency to climb the promotion ladder of whatever in group system she is a part of and can succeed mainly because of the personality traits and stereotypes of the Japanese salaryman she embodies to a fault. There is overlap in the sense that Tanya would probably fit very well in the Wehrmacht on the Eastern Front (even when trying desperately to get reassigned to Norway) but arguably Tanya would also fit extremely well in the Soviet Red Army as well; as long as there is a hierarchical meritocracy that values obedience and competency. Sgt. Reznov from Call of Duty: World At War comes to mind for comparable Soviet version of Tanya in terms of bombast.
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Thanks for the write up Namtab! I appreciate these.
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Cao Ni Ma posted:Tanya has a great smug face and an even better "Oh poo poo I hosed up" face I personally feel that a "Mage" is best thought as being functionally equivalent to a Tank. So a United States tank battalion for instance is 58 tanks. Though I personally feel that once again "Sci-fi writers have no concept of scale" strikes again; as while Mages are fairly powerful I don't think a battalion is large enough to have the strategic effects desired on screen, a corps sized formation might be large enough to stop breakthroughs; I'm not sure what a battalion sized force is supposed to accomplish other than maybe doing US Army Ranger/British SAS style raids. Cao Ni Ma posted:Yeah that one, that Job dude. Its been long time since I went to catholic school and it didnt leave a good impression on religion in general for me You know a weird thing about being older and more well read is that I've started to have a small appreciation for religious texts and theology as a way of enhancing my appreciate of games, literature, or just the intellectual exercise. Like, why doesn't Descartes meditations hold up to scrutiny today but are still interesting in his explorations of Dualism? Stuff like that. Like none of it is going to change me from being a atheistic leaning agnostic but still, some of it is cool; like just knowing about Job leads to an interesting perspective imo about Youjo Senki. That's just my feeling. Raenir Salazar fucked around with this message at 22:37 on Jan 27, 2017 |
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Lots of Ender's Game vibes to be honest; particularly how Not-Colonel-Graff and Not-Major-Anderson talk to our Not-Ender who is really kinda keen on the "Win the fight in the shortest possible way so I can go home."Eej posted:So the border skirmish in not-Denmark (actually looking at the map again it's actually in not-Sweden and it looks like Prussia ate into Swedish land after the not-Schleswig War part 2) happens in 1923 and episode 1's narration is in 1924 (while the actual action is in 1923) so in a year's timespan the Not-Franco Prussian War 2 sucks in Not-England and Not-Russia (and maybe also Not-Austria too?) and Plan 315 takes place and also fails. At least, that's what I'm getting out of it. Yeah I'm confused too but your account sounds like what's happening. So the time line is: Not-France & Scandinavia have a war excersize that "on accidents" into Not-Germany but is stopped by artillery and a local backhand blow. Tanya spends 6 months in a test pilot gig at Peenemünde and is forced into a literal Devil's Bargain. Not-Germany Dows Not-France during this time but Not France mobilizes faster than expected and pushes towards the Rhine? Tanya is transferred to the Rhine and NOT ONE STEP BACK!? The situation stabilizes and Tanya is transferred to undergo command track officer training; at some point during this time the General Staff starts formulating ideas for a rapid reaction task force comprised of a critical mass of mages to achieve operational goals? Tanya posits that unless they end the war soon on favourable terms the war will escalate? Not Russia and Not England answer France's CTA? What seems strange and interesting to me is how long the war has been going without much progress while Tanya was being a test pilot or going back to University. The Franco-Prussian war's pivotal battles I think were between August 4th and September 1st 1870, under a month. The opening phase of WWI was between August 4th to September 12th; but the French had British help in the form of the BEF and Russian help in the form of their invasion of East Prussia from August 17th to September 14th. You got like a year in which 'the Empire' has not made a lot of progress against 'not France' presumably due to trench warfare; but it's hard to imagine France in WWI lasting a whole year without the BEF or Russians there in the opening months to release some of that pressure on them.
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It's a very surface level comparison yeah. But there are some similar scenes. Like the conversation between Anderson and Bean in Shadow plays off kinda similarly.
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As an addendum The July Crisis was pretty much the platonic embodiment of everyone acting in all sorts of irrational and contradictory ways.
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I refer to her as she while Tanya generally does seem to still somewhat self-identifies as her previous salaryman life at the same time he seems very solidly the type of person to just roll with new opportunities; objecting to being dressed like a doll can be interpreted as also largely stemming as being a character who generally just dislikes anything that isn't purely utilitarian in usage.
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Cao Ni Ma posted:Tanya is...good!? These really are quite excellent.
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This show is a delight and scratches all of the right itches. I actually got a bit of a spine tingle from Tanya's commissionng speech; militerism is delightfully addictive in a way I don't have to feel guilty while still being able to think on it critically as to why this is still all kinds of wrong. I know certain people on reddit are going to try to make Tanya their mascot but it's probably very easy to put them down. This reminds me, did Tanya actually just sorta forget herself in the moment of winning so hard about her goals or is this a case that once she's finally forced into completing a task she completes it to the most of her ability? It's a little at odds with her bureaucratic foot dragging earlier. quote:One thing I noticed in this episode is that she is now Tanya "von" Degurechaff since she's been knighted, making her part of the nobility. Which probably comes with a whole host of perks. These are some nice details; was she Knighted in the books or is this extrapolating from Pre-WWI Germany? What perks can we expect? CrazySalamander posted:What do you do with dogs wearing gas masks anyway? Are they just cheap sight hound sentries or something?  quote:Well, now she isn't even trying to hide her contempt for the rules of war if they get in her way. The spirit of law was hanged and the word is forced to contort into shapes Tanya can work with at gunpoint. At this point I just want to see how far she will go . I think it's Tanya that wanted to follow the book here but the troops were worried about losing the element of surprise; so she compromised? It's hard to imagine any army at that point entirely not understanding the value of airpower with the western front ongoing but you still had people in the Soviet Army who felt that Mechanized troops could never replace horses up until 1941 so who knows.
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Aoi Yuuki Chews the loving Scenery the Anime.
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They had aircraft carrying bombs so clearly the relative rarity of combat mages means there's still a strong incentive to weaponize aircraft for massed ordinance delivery.
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Guy Goodbody posted:c'mon guys look at their loving uniforms I beg to differ, France 1914.  e: ^^^^ GODDDAMNIT.
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darkgray posted:Pretty sure 1914 wasn't part of the 21st century. I thought he meant 20th. But yeah we're going to see rapid advancements in warfare very soon with Tanya acting as the foot stomping on the gasp pedal since she being well read knows what tactics and advances ended up catching on. quote:or the more complex machinery to have wing-mounted guns and you have the alternative of just using flying people with guns that likely can move faster and present a lesser target than planes, it makes sense they won't use planes for air superiority. If the power of their spells is limited to their equipment to act as either an amplifier or stabilizer, or as a capacity to store magical energy and act as a conduit without exploding; then maybe there's also a use for manned heavier than air flight for mages. Imagine a AC-130 with a crew of five mages manning it; or a crew of two mages in a A-10 Warthog? There's probably a point where the relative lesser mobility of having an aircraft shell is compensated by a severalfold increase in firepower. Maybe they can get those gems to the point they can reach jet aircraft performance envelopes but I'd figure for those speeds and missions if magic works in this universe where they can combine it with machinery you probably still want aircraft and tanks.
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I think it all depends on how rare they are; the loses in the WWII airwar were quite horrific to the point that you might have been safer being leg infantry. They have AA defences specifically against Mages in universe and advances in aircraft were fast enough in real life at this time that I don't really see it to be an issue; they don't need to be expected to fight Mages on an equal playing field; they just need to be able to do the job when mages aren't present; which could very well be extremely often. B-17's and Lancasters against Fw-190's or Zero's is probably a good analogy here; you have high casualties but you keep going with what you got because it's better than nothing and eventually after all that sacrifice you have the B-29. e: Also I'm not entirely convinced if Mages are faster/more agile than monoplane fighters of the late 30's/early 40's (At the performance their gems currently have); it might not be a pleasant engagement for the Spitfire but if you have 300 Spitfires those 10 Mages might have to break off the engagement because they're probably bound to take unacceptable losses. It's interesting if an arms race between the performance from those gems and the performance of aeroplane engines and chassis design makes it in as A Thing. Raenir Salazar fucked around with this message at 21:58 on Feb 4, 2017 |
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Poil posted:Would there really be a lot of research into planes when you already have flying mages? Even if you want to there's the usual problem of the big established force not wanting to give up any influence or prestige so they'll do everything in their power to prevent anything that could challenge them regardless of the actual consequences. There's probably a lot of people who would consider planes a waste of time and resources since mages are clearly superior for aerial combat too. Consider that the interrelation of the military-industrial complex, the army procurement office, capitalism, innovation and so on; plus other varied nations with their own and likely different availabilities of mages; plus political or ideological considerations. Basically we know for sure that Mages are rare; rare enough that putting together a battalion of 48 Mages was considered a fairly exceptional consideration that required approval at the highest levels of authority within the Empire's military structure and about 100 Mages were considered for it. Imagine Imperial Japan's training program for pilots; 2500 enrollees into the IJN airforce school in Saburo Sakai's memoirs, only about a few dozen would graduate to become carrier pilots; and extrapolate from there what if only 0.1%* of your military manpower is even eligible to be a Mage? (*Pulled from my butt, but imagine the scenario as a hypothetical). I don't get the sense that Mages are like a Type-Moon Mage Association-esque secret society here in universe that have a inclusive identity by virtue of being mages; but have an identity that is colinear with the comparable and pre-existing aristocratic order. It's difficult to imagine a "One Year Ban" situation in any country; the primary proof of concept innovations regarding aircraft were all done IRL by private individuals or corporations with military resources thrown at it shortly after. As long as it is mostly private companies (Like Curtis-Wright or Boeing) that are researching and developing them, does it really make sense for any military that sees some potential; even in the context of something that merely supplements the existing role of Mages to not throw some money at development? We already know they did develop aircraft for bombing missions, so clearly Mages aren't capable of handling all of the roles to that extent; the incentives and pressures of industrialized total war doesn't mean put less resources into finding and producing as many tools as possible to win the war, but more. I think the logic that was suggested of "Mages escorting aircraft" makes logical sense; it's better to have 50 aircraft and five mages than only five mages. Especially since Mages get tired. Viktoriya basically passed out and fell from the sky from over exertion from excessive use of her magic; I think for sure if/when the war escalates and they have to fight on multiple fronts the numbers game will fall very heavily on the need for machines. My thinking basically comes down to, it's better to have fifty aircraft do a bombing run and take 10-20 losses due to enemy mages and manage to take one or two down; than to have no aircraft doing no missions because you lack any available mages; and logically you'll find a way to marry the best of both worlds together. Some more evidence to consider; the Rhine theater is clearly the front that's occupying the Empire's main focus; but not only is it a stalemate (whether because the Empire is unwilling to do a total mobilization or some other reason); but Mages seem to be incredibly rare on that front aside from Tanya's firebrigade force; what mages already existed there seem to be grounded to boot, they were hiding out in the trenches instead of flying. Presumably more mages showed up once the "Main force" arrived but I think it paints a compelling picture that Mages aren't an organic attachment to field formations, but are parceled out piece meal according to the current situation and need. That does not strike me as a force that can effectively sustain the roles of air supremacy, close air support, tactical interdiction, strategic bombing or whatever; but seem more ad hoc. But I imagine we'll see more and what the pressures and capabilities are as the series continues. CrazySalamander posted:You could handwave that by saying mages use a force field goggles cantrip. I feel like that this has got to actually exist in the Player's Hand book somewhere.
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To be fair once they're success is digested it'll be expanded to a Corps probably, so ~200-300 Mages? And then Tanya will be quickly promoted to General! I imagine the funniest angry face will happen is when if she ever gets encircled or trapped and is promoted suddenly to Field Marshal... "To avoid capture", haha.
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I honestly feel like if reborn in another world with all my knowledge having my gender changed is probably an acceptable price to pay and it would be best to just roll with it; but other people might have gender being a much stronger aspect of their identity I guess.
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I don't get what the conversation was at the end. Isn't the guy Subaru's VA?
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Tanya being something like a Lawful Evil Cleric to an Evil God they hates makes this suddenly feel like this could've easily been a Forgotten Realms novel.
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Namtab posted:Going back to last Fridays episode, there is something very fundamental that we overlooked in our discussion of Tanya's actions. Eh. Counter attacking into enemy territory is a well established strategy. Lets see, the war Sun Tzu allegedly wins is basically that. Republican France vs the various Coalitions. Benedict Arnold marched into Canada. I feel like there are some other wars I'm missing. I feel like this sort of "Shield and Sword" operation must be fairly common. Also Tanya's force didn't occupy any land, but was a raid; which I feel like is a little lower down. For example the Newfoundlander regiment that burnt down the White House during the War of 1812 in response to the US invading Canada (again). Not that I don't entirely expect this to escalate the war somehow but I feel fairly strongly the NotRomania crossing the border with what seems like 5 divisions probably did that first; the raid on their capital probably is just the excuse to officially declare war instead of "Oops, how did we take this land of yours..." ala 1939 Winter War against Finland. So yes, it probably will escalate it but I don't think Tanya's actions were invalid considering historical or military context. Deescalation is up to the ambassadors. Namtab posted:At present all they're doing is repelling invaders because they have superior numbers and good quality troops. Their traditional military strategem is to keep doing this, at present very few higher ups want an offensive war. The higher ups may not want a world war per se if pressed and described in those terms; but they almost certainly balk at the idea of appearing weak or giving up initiative; Otto Von Bismark they do not appear to have at the helm but an officer corps and General Staff with all the same weaknesses and blindspots as their real life historical counterparts; basically a bunch of nerds who value winning in a short sighted sense and ignore the larger geopolitical picture. I think the Imperial Japanese Army and the way they crossed into Manchuria may be relevant here.
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Namtab posted:It's an early plot point in the book that at the moment most of the generals want to pursue a flexible defence, with only the military advisor to the emperor wanting something more aggressive. That's why tanyas discussion with that one important guy is significant because she's telling him that the empire would be better off expanding. This has not really been covered in the anime. What, I remember her distinctly saying they should offer lenient terms and end the war asap.
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Yeah though Blackadder I don't think chased promotion particularly hard; he just wanted out of the trenches.  Tanya is probably basically the equivalent of a P-51D Mustang being introduced in 1939 and being flown by an Ace. So she's super effective in her formation because her performance envelope has like 5 years head start on her probable enemies but it isn't like she can win the war on her own. quote:Being a famous war hero used for propaganda isnt all that great since the opposition will start devoting resources to kill you specifically for their own propaganda of "yes, we killed that bastard, go us". Unknown Being X keeps on digging that hole to bury her in. I like she got her shot off a few times like she alluded to wanting to do in a earlier episode and it did gently caress all just to mess with her. quote:Wow, what more could he possibly threaten Tanya with. At this rate, Tanya will become queen of the world because God keeps throwing resume fodder at her. You know who else didn't like smoking?  I like that with the book material posted so far and with Tanya presumably letting loose a little I get the sense that outside of work Tanya's original dude's personality might've been fun to hang out and play shooters with. quote:I don't think the issue was that Tanya did anything wrong or that she wasn't justified in striking back, it's that she directly attacked their capital and set them up to be taken over which we just saw is pretty much definitely gonna happen. Recall that the reason Tanya thinks a world war is going to happen is that everyone is afraid of the Empire expanding and gobbling up its neighbors until no one nation can stand up to it, forcing them to band together and triggering a war of alliances. This was the first step in that actually becoming a reality. Until then they were fighting defensively, but now they're actively looking to expand. World War I just started. Sure, though on the other hand if you going to fight a battle you should fight to win and win it as decisively as possible to display overwhelming superiority is something that originates from Von Clausewitz. The Ender's Game comparisons write themselves at this point. Raenir Salazar fucked around with this message at 19:41 on Feb 11, 2017 |
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Does anyone know if this season covers all the material or can we maybe have to go into depression cycles of waiting for news for subsequent seasons?
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Sweet, though I expect the waiting to hurt.
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The existential dread and fear they feel is an excellent thing to watch and partake in. Tanya walking in and commenting on their conversation was also pretty funny; you don't see that happen too often in anime. Usually conversations are misheard or the leader decides to pretend not to hear anything, but nope; Tanya just walks in and gives her frank assessment.
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Exmond posted:Anyone have the soundtrack (Not the opening and ending theme) yet? The lingering camera shot on her makes me think she's an important character, like maybe the person who got fired also transported here after dying shortly afterwards. That would be the predictable thing to do.
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Their models have been pretty good, noticeable but good. I feel like we haven't seen the end of Mary, did she make the submachine gun? fake edit: OH poo poo ARKANSAS, ITS REAL. quote:Welp, thanks for thinking so highly of our position in the war, Youjo Senki. That was really nice of them. Of Not!Scandinavia generally being a thorn in the Empire's side? This has got to trigger the Russian Federation entering the war next I'm assuming?
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Poil posted:Tanya not recognizing that guy was pretty great. I doubt we're really at that point that they would demand Tanya just because she's an annoyingly effective asset; she had yet to really cross that sort of line yet; no "Blowtorch brigade" antic yet.
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RangerKarl posted:well she is a mary sue so 
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I can see most authors going "Eh" and shrugging. That would be quite a bit of effort to research the background of each state for alternative names. Like the Dakota's are already named for a tribe, what else could they be named? Do we even have records of who else could have settled there?
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quote:I like when history is so awry that Britain still has colonies on the east coast, there's still a large native nation somewhere, East Canada is New France (okay that's not too far from reality) and the western territory is still super wild because there wasn't a coherent american country to explore it all. I tried to find a world map for the TotE world and couldn't find anything? Did find someone making a Hearts of Iron IV mod though:  Cao Ni Ma posted:I know its not accurate at all in our universe but it would be funny if Tanya keeps being diminutive as she ages because of all the coffee she drinks. What's the medical logic here?
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Cao Ni Ma posted:None, its just one of those things people sometimes say and its taken as the truth for some reason. Like Edward Elric being.... because of not liking milk?
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Feb 25, 2017 22:40
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They also have magic. "Courage/Bravery" is a fairly basic D&D spell to put into potion form.
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There's a possible 'Machiavellian Satire' interpretation, "This is the best way to take a city... [So maybe we shouldn't be taking cities  ]".I honestly can't tell how I'm supposed to interpret that scene in the office either; the idea that she's trying to convince herself she's just following orders and is otherwise distasteful of it is plausible, but then is the dancing a form of mockery? This would fit in the narrative that she's trapped by her own desire to retire to a cushy safe position and nothing illustrates that better than being forced to carry out her own thought experiment against her wishes and this being just the tip of the iceberg. She could really just be monstrously "Sepp Piper" levels of evil; but I'm not sure yet.
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