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spacetoaster posted:Bush passed one, yes. so the problem you had with him was the keynesian stimulus package+bailing out the auto-industry when the GOP 2012 candidate wanted them to go bankrupt and throw the rustbelt out of work
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ScrubLeague posted:The problem with prosecuting Wall Street is that you have to shut down the entire finance industry. my kind of problem
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Typo posted:so the problem you had with him was the keynesian stimulus package+bailing out the auto-industry when the GOP 2012 candidate wanted them to go bankrupt and throw the rustbelt out of work I'd say that I had a bigger problem with his secret list of Americans he could unilaterally kill (along with their kids and families) whenever, the continued operation of gitmo, the expansion and continuation of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, the starting of conflicts in multiple other countries, the creation of the refugee crisis, the continuous collusion with Saudi Arabia in their war crimes, etc, etc, etc. His bailing out of his wall street buddies was just one of many issues I had/have with the man.
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you don't give a poo poo about any of that, you didn't give a poo poo when the Bush family set the groundwork for and started doing all of it, and you won't give a poo poo when president piss grimace continues to do all of it
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Fullhouse posted:you don't give a poo poo about any of that, you didn't give a poo poo when the Bush family set the groundwork for and started doing all of it, and you won't give a poo poo when president piss grimace continues to do all of it Just because you feel that way doesn't mean everyone else does.  Perhaps you shouldn't read threads poking Obama if it upsets you so much.
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ScrubLeague posted:The problem with prosecuting Wall Street is that everything they did leading up to 2008 was possibly legal and the only real thing you could bring charges on would be failure of fiduciary responsibility, which would be difficult to prove. Additionally, it wasn't the choice of one person, one Board of Directors, or even one department to engage in these activities, the entire structure of the organization distributed the responsibility from the CEOs to the hourly file clerks, each of which have no idea how to do the other's job. The risk analysts at each level in each of these companies were doing what they were internally and legally obligated to do, follow the guidance of external ratings agencies and internal risk assessors, and making recommendations based on that information rather than their own biased research, in the assumption that those ratings and assessments were made with proper due diligence. you can jail them for all the cocaine they do
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anime was right posted:you can jail them for all the cocaine they do haha I remember eliot spitzer in inside job basically going yeah the wall street guys all do poo poo loads of hookers and blow literally all the time and I only did hookers that one time and I got in poo poo for it and nothing happened to the bankers. wut a coincidence eh eh eh
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The problem with prosecuting Wall Street (or any other business doing horrifically shady poo poo) is the layers of insulation that the people at the top of the organization have from any real criminal responsibility. The top level creates an incentive and reward structure where the best way to get ahead in the company and/or make the most money is to skirt regulations, take insane risks, etc., and then when things either figuratively or literally blow up, it's that mid-to-high level risk taker who takes the fall. The company eats some fines, which almost never exceed the amount of money they made by being reckless in the first place. Now, the person who ends up taking the fall should be prosecuted, though they usually aren't, but what gets missed in the discussion is that the folks at the top have set up a system where a sufficiently unscrupulous/incompetent/desperate person will eventually be put into a position where something bad will happen, no matter who is doing the job. We need a structure to deal with that, and as much as I want to see those greedy fuckers get what's coming to them, that structure really doesn't currently exist.
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So what you're saying is that we need socialism.
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The biggest obstacle to fixing wallstreet is infrastructure. We just don't have enough guillotines to do it right.
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Not necessarily, but poo poo needs to roll uphill. In my example, everyone who is in the supervisory chain for the unscrupulous/incompetent/desperate person needs to be an accomplice to the crime by default, and the only way they get out of it is to prove that they did everything they could to prevent it from happening. There's far too little personal liability and putting the fear of personal jail time for stuff that happens on their watch is a good start.
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Coolness Averted posted:The biggest obstacle to fixing wallstreet is infrastructure. We just don't have enough guillotines to do it right. just use guns, it'll drive ammo prices up and we might get the NRA to endorse it based on that
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Fullhouse posted:you don't give a poo poo about any of that, you didn't give a poo poo when the Bush family set the groundwork for and started doing all of it, and you won't give a poo poo when president piss grimace continues to do all of it I gave a poo poo about all of it and cheered Obama on because I hoped he represented change. So did alot of other americans The widespread disillusion at what a loving turd he was is integral to understanding current politics.
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SickZip posted:I gave a poo poo about all of it and cheered Obama on because I hoped he represented change. So did alot of other americans he openly ran as a moderate, aside from healthcare, and people projected weird poo poo on him and he just never corrected anythign because that's how you win
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I just want the USA federal government to go away so very very badly. what garbage. what filth.
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Modest Mao posted:I just want the USA federal government to go away so very very badly. what garbage. what filth. MEIN KAISER https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGZqOkeYbB0 THE REAL FOLK BLUES
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Mc Do Well posted:MEIN KAISER He's not wrong
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Mc Do Well posted:MEIN KAISER I figuratively came
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Azathoth posted:We need a structure to deal with that, and as much as I want to see those greedy fuckers get what's coming to them, that structure really doesn't currently exist. Guillotine's are real tho dude
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Typo posted:sure, but states have the right to defend themselves against foreign actors, state and non-state, seeking to bomb it, innocent people have died in every single war since the beginning of time Or 100:1, or 1,000:1 or 109:1, or 7.49×109:0 Kill everyone who is not us, kill their men, their women, their children, drown the world in blood, then turn on each other. "Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Put every man his sword by his side, and go in and out from gate to gate throughout the camp, and slay every man his brother, and every man his companion, and every man his neighbour." Kill. Kill. Kill. Kill. Kill. Kill. Kill. Kill. Kill. Kill. Kill. Kill. Kill. Kill. Kill. Kill. Kill. Kill. Kill. Kill. Kill. Kill. Kill. Kill. Kill. Kill. Kill. Kill. Kill. Kill. Kill. Kill. Kill. Kill. Kill. Kill. Kill. Kill. Kill. Kill. Kill. Kill. Kill. Kill. Kill. Kill. Kill. Kill. Kill. Kill. Kill. Kill. Kill. Kill. Kill. Kill. Kill. Kill. Kill. Kill. Kill. Kill. Kill. Kill. Kill. Kill. Kill. Kill. Kill. Kill. Kill. Kill. Kill. Kill. Kill. Kill. Kill. Kill. Kill. Kill. Kill. Kill. Kill. Kill. Kill. Kill. Kill. Kill. Kill. Kill. Kill. Kill. Kill. Kill. Kill. Kill. Kill. Kill. Kill. Kill. Kill. Kill!
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kill kilk ill kkill kill killk kill kill killk ilk il kk ilkl kill
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VitalSigns posted:Kill. Kill. I'm pretty sure this is what Obama is listening to when he's got his headphones on.
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Obama woke me up from the delusion that the modern dem party might ever help the working class. 
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got any sevens posted:Obama woke me up from the delusion that the modern dem party might ever help the working class. I think you might be pleasantly surprised by the next 12-16 years tbh Trump's win might have inadvertently helped the Sanderist faction in the Dem party because it fundamentally destabilized the Reagan neoliberal ideological order
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VitalSigns posted:Yes 10 to 1 US life to non-US life. that's a lot of words to try to say baby killer
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Typo posted:I think you might be pleasantly surprised by the next 12-16 years tbh Helped in what way, like electing Tom Perez-type help?
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http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/3/13/14750528/barack-obama-trump-post-presidency obama and his team spent the last month lobbying and calling every single dnc elector to vote perez jon ossof hasnt heard from them whatsoever
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Obama is going to spend the next 4 years actively trying to destroy the Bernie wing in the hope that the Dems will be able to sneak a friendly corporatist in in 2020
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call to action posted:Helped in what way, like electing Tom Perez-type help? it destabilized the reigning Regeanite ideology, in a period of time when the upcoming challenges for the country will be automation and the final death of traditional blue collar employment A lot of shorthand goes into maintaining political coalitions, it took a lot of work to get the avg american to think low taxes==good economy or welfare==lazy peope. Now 51% of the Republican voting base wants higher taxes on the rich. Once you destabilize that a new ideology comes and take it place, and the sanders faction of the democrats are the only ones who have a policy agenda radical enough to meet the needs of a radical changing economic order.
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Typo posted:a policy agenda radical enough to meet the needs of a radical changing economic order. Everyone knows the voters who matter don't want radical! They want reasonable people who won't rock the boat!
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KaptainKrunk posted:Obama is going to spend the next 4 years actively trying to destroy the Bernie wing in the hope that the Dems will be able to sneak a friendly corporatist in in 2020 Over my dead body. Thank god he doesn't have access to drones anymore.
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You are already seeing the new shorthands take hold, the ideas are not new, but the vocabulary is "rigged" I first heard this coming from Elizabeth Warren around 2012 or so and now Trump and Sanders are both spouting it
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call to action posted:Helped in what way, like electing Tom Perez-type help? perez has spent his entire life doing things like fighting privatization, providing affordable prescription drugs, make sure workers get their rightful health benefits, passing hate crimes laws etc tom perez is the reason trayvon martin's killer even got a trial
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if you think about it regardless of whether sanderistas fights the establishment to a bloody draw or win outright, their policies are likely going to be adopted the fact that perez is now the "right" wing of the democrats and everyone is pushing for min wage increases (did obama talk about that in 2008 at all?) show how far left the democrats have gone in around 8 years the establishment can't turn the clock back to 1996 even if they wish they could
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the black husserl posted:perez has spent his entire life doing things like fighting privatization, providing affordable prescription drugs, make sure workers get their rightful health benefits, passing hate crimes laws etc Wow he sure sounds ineffectual, because all those things are getting much worse and The Zim walked
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call to action posted:Wow he sure sounds ineffectual, because all those things are getting much worse and The Zim walked yeah i agree its extremely lame that the judge (the honourable tom perez) and the jury (12 clones of tom perez) did not convict zimzam the black husserl has issued a correction as of 18:43 on Mar 13, 2017 |
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the black husserl posted:you could just post I AM A HUGE MORON and save some characters. namaste. You know you've got the real salt when you get the "namaste/TIA/etc" on the end haha nice edit, too
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as cowardly as obama. smh
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call to action posted:Wow he sure sounds ineffectual, because all those things are getting much worse and The Zim walked Sounds like the perfect Obama boy.
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At Least They Tried - epitaph, democratic party
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