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with christianity largely in the hands of capitalist fuckers whose ideology is closer to levayan satanism than christianity, is there space for a new liberation theology style movement in the us?
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Of course, especially as a countercultural movement - this is how the movements took off in Latin America, after all!
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Jan 18, 2017 21:16
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My Calvinist religion is strong and mighty.
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Jan 18, 2017 21:17
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no cause we're all nihilists now
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Jan 18, 2017 21:22
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big black turnout posted:with christianity largely in the hands of capitalist fuckers whose ideology is closer to levayan satanism than christianity, *The Lutheran heresy
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Jan 18, 2017 21:25
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Plutonis posted:*The Lutheran heresy
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Jan 18, 2017 21:31
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With God all things are possible, but I don't really see Americans going for it anytime soon. Today's evangelicals are mostly authoritarian, morals-dictating, prosperity-gospel-mongering bigots who only recognize one oppressor, the liberals who are waging war on their most sacred values of conforming to authority and never changing your views about anything.
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Jan 18, 2017 21:37
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The Kingfish posted:My Calvinist religion is strong and mighty. Whereas Shakira's breasts are small and humble.
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Jan 18, 2017 21:50
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The Kingfish posted:My Calvinist religion is strong and mighty. Can we not base our future in a Calvinist philosophy that also espouses fortune goes to those god favors, therefore the rich are cool and good and its a moral imperative to gain wealth? Basically Im asking can we do Liberation Theology without the Theology bit? Just liberation. Thanks.
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Not a Step posted:Can we not base our future in a Calvinist philosophy that also espouses fortune goes to those god favors, therefore the rich are cool and good and its a moral imperative to gain wealth? I don't think you know what Liberation Theology is
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Jan 18, 2017 22:50
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Not a Step posted:Can we not base our future in a Calvinist philosophy that also espouses fortune goes to those god favors, therefore the rich are cool and good and its a moral imperative to gain wealth?
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Jan 18, 2017 22:54
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america doesn't need to be liberated, it's the land of the free and the home of the brave
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Jan 18, 2017 22:59
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Fallen Hamprince posted:I don't think you know what Liberation Theology is (psst Im saying lets not base anything in religion ever again, its not a good plan, all theologies are bad)
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Jan 18, 2017 23:36
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Not a Step posted:(psst Im saying lets not base anything in religion ever again, its not a good plan, all theologies are bad) All things are vain without Christ.
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Jan 18, 2017 23:43
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Not a Step posted:Can we not base our future in a Calvinist philosophy that also espouses fortune goes to those god favors, therefore the rich are cool and good and its a moral imperative to gain wealth? Fallen Hamprince posted:I don't think you know what Liberation Theology is
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Jan 19, 2017 02:40
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"its easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of heaven" "soooo.... rich people are cool and good????" <- prosperity gospel ppl and apparently not a step
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Jan 19, 2017 02:41
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big black turnout posted:"its easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of heaven" For those who don't get it (i.e. you) Im asking that we not base any future at all on religion of any kind, much less the poo poo ones we have in America. Thanks for listening.
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Jan 19, 2017 03:45
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Actually, God demands that we bring happiness and prosperity to the world
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Jan 19, 2017 05:19
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God also says you gotta chop up yo' dick, so I wouldn't put too much stock in what that weirdo says.
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Jan 19, 2017 05:25
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Who What Now posted:God also says you gotta chop up yo' dick, so I wouldn't put too much stock in what that weirdo says. My dick is already chopped up.. God knows what's up.
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Jan 19, 2017 06:31
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Probably in the rest of the world but maybe not in the US. All the most committed organizers I know want nothing to do with religion, which is a drat shame since the tools of the gospel are powerful ones to many of the people we want to reach and we're just leaving them on the table. Jesus was radical as gently caress.
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Jan 19, 2017 06:59
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It's the opposite for me. The only people I know who live a radically compassionate lifestyle are devout christians.
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Whiskerando posted:Probably in the rest of the world but maybe not in the US. All the most committed organizers I know want nothing to do with religion, which is a drat shame since the tools of the gospel are powerful ones to many of the people we want to reach and we're just leaving them on the table. Jesus was radical as gently caress. Jesus was. The religion that accreted around him in the intervening 2000 years? Slightly less so. I'd be down with teaching just about the life of Jesus without all the theology and divinity.
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Jan 19, 2017 09:01
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I will never get the obsession of white anglo liberals with liberation theology beyond the vague exoticism around it. It really accomplished gently caress all and most of its higher ranked supporters ended up either ostracized or coopted by the church, and a lot of it is still pie in the sky nonsense meant to stave off socialism. It does give pope "trans people are literally demons" a lot of amazing PR just for being from South America, lol. Also you can't teach the life of Jesus without the theology because there is no non-gospel source for any of it that hasn't been tampered with, and the few that theologians cling to as untampered (Tacitus mainly) give no info whatsoever.
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Jan 19, 2017 10:33
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Christianity has done a ridiculous amount good for the world and it's only been 2000 years.
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all things are possible through christ
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swQULRb2oH4 deadgoon posted:all things are possible through christ
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Jan 19, 2017 15:00
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I do wonder if a Trump presidency will bring about a left wing Christian movement among younger evangelicals who see the greater evangelical movement as overly secular and corrupt. Youth pastors got a lot of hard questions coming up this presidency.
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Jan 19, 2017 15:57
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The Kingfish posted:Jesuits have done a ridiculous amount good for the world and it's only been 500 years.
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Jan 19, 2017 17:17
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every time after they get all gaked out on speedballs jesus wants to swing those fuckin nunchucks hanging on the doorknob there. Its a fuckin mess and i dont want to shoot up with him anymore but he can turn whatever into heroin
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Jan 19, 2017 17:20
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it was one thing when he made me inject him like that, that was creepy enough
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Jan 19, 2017 17:21
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Agnosticnixie posted:I will never get the obsession of white anglo liberals with liberation theology beyond the vague exoticism around it. It really accomplished gently caress all and most of its higher ranked supporters ended up either ostracized or coopted by the church, and a lot of it is still pie in the sky nonsense meant to stave off socialism. socialism is never gonna penetrate middle american labor if you cant church it up a bit. look to Moral Mondays in NC for examples of what we should be shooting for - socialized institutions and programs framed as a christian moral obligation
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Agnosticnixie posted:I will never get the obsession of white anglo liberals with liberation theology beyond the vague exoticism around it. It really accomplished gently caress all and most of its higher ranked supporters ended up either ostracized or coopted by the church, and a lot of it is still pie in the sky nonsense meant to stave off socialism. a lot of them also ended up dead back when the francis conclave was in session i was looking at the bios of the top cardinals and every single one of them, bergoglio included, rejected liberation theology as too radical or marxist or whatever. it's still a movement outside the mainstream and will be for the foreseeable future. and in this capitalist hell world we're living in it isn't out of the question to wed that religious branch to a political movement. there's nothing that says religion necessarily is incompatible with socialism. if you quote that one marx thing i will yell at you a lot.
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R. Guyovich posted:a lot of them also ended up dead I don't have to quote Marx when I could quote Bakunin instead (also more seriously, being outside the mainstream is damning with faint praise in terms of what a catholic church movement might look like if it goes back in the mainstream especially given what it would imply for the church).
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Jan 19, 2017 17:32
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like it or not, Americans are what they used to call a "priest-ridden" people and unless you can indulge the Jesusy needs of the working class they are going to give your effete big-city ideology a miss
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Jan 19, 2017 17:34
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what if instead of tryin to find the one true dialectic the left organized as a coalition of different groups various ideals, welcoming liberation theologists, christian anarchists, and even moderate christians with socialist tendancies
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Jan 19, 2017 17:37
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big black turnout posted:"its easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of heaven" "All the believers were together and had everything in common. They sold property and possessions to give to anyone who had need." "Who writes this crap, some kind of communist?"
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Al! posted:what if instead of tryin to find the one true dialectic the left organized as a coalition of different groups various ideals, welcoming liberation theologists, christian anarchists, and even moderate christians with socialist tendancies *Gulags you*
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[extremely megachurch voice] well actually the Eye of the Needle was a famous gate in Jerusalem that was so narrow people had to take all their stuff off their camels before they could pass through, and once they were on the other side they put all the stuff back on the camel.
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Saddleback My ProspGosp rear end
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