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BeanpolePeckerwood
May 4, 2004

I MAY LOOK LIKE SHIT BUT IM ALSO DUMB AS FUCK



Moonlight was the best film I saw this year. It probably won't win anything.



The score to that movie is goddamn amazing.

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BeanpolePeckerwood
May 4, 2004

I MAY LOOK LIKE SHIT BUT IM ALSO DUMB AS FUCK



Vegetable posted:

I liked it. It was engaging all the way through. That's what most of the folks thought too. Hardly groundbreaking stuff, but the Oscars hardly reward that kind of thing (how in the fuckbucket did Carol fail to be nominated for Best Picture or Best Directing last year?)


This is exactly what I was thinking. Yeah, people snub those types of love stories unless the characters suffer or die.


Shageletic posted:


Also the guy behind Drive and Neon Bible's soundtracks never being recognized for poo poo.


Also Johan Johannsen.

BeanpolePeckerwood
May 4, 2004

I MAY LOOK LIKE SHIT BUT IM ALSO DUMB AS FUCK



Coaaab posted:

Is that a consistent stance to take with the stink coming off of Casey Affleck right now? BTW, I haven't seen Hacksaw either but only because Lonergan is more of my kind of filmmaker than Gibson.

If I were to separate art from artist I'd say the average Affleck performance is really good while the average Gibson direction is a polished turd.


But people can approach either with their own level of skepticism.

BeanpolePeckerwood
May 4, 2004

I MAY LOOK LIKE SHIT BUT IM ALSO DUMB AS FUCK



ruddiger posted:

What range has Casey Affleck showed other than "socially awkward creep"?

Double burger...

BeanpolePeckerwood
May 4, 2004

I MAY LOOK LIKE SHIT BUT IM ALSO DUMB AS FUCK



Arkane posted:

Moonlight blew me away, thought it was the best movie of those nominated. But La La Land with 14 noms looks to have this on lockdown. The bittersweet lollipop movie that everyone needed after 2016, I guess.

It'd be insane to overlook Moonlight, which is why that will happen.

BeanpolePeckerwood
May 4, 2004

I MAY LOOK LIKE SHIT BUT IM ALSO DUMB AS FUCK



Arkane posted:

It'll win 2 I think, Supporting Actor and Screenplay.

Has a shot at cinematography, and a very outside shot (<5%) at Best Picture. In order to have any chance, needs to win SAG Ensemble on Sunday night!

I dunno, I think Fences performing well at SAG might spell good things for Moonlight. Also, the ensemble went to wildcard Hidden Figures, which I don't see having as much traction at the Oscars but who knows


Both Manchester and La-la Land were nearly shut out, save for Emma Stone.

BeanpolePeckerwood
May 4, 2004

I MAY LOOK LIKE SHIT BUT IM ALSO DUMB AS FUCK



china bot posted:

Has anyone else seen Elle? It was my favorite last year, and Isabelle Huppert deserves the nomination, but I have no expectation of her winning

I saw it, and I didn't like or dislike it. It just sort of made me feel nothing and I'm not exactly sure why.

BeanpolePeckerwood
May 4, 2004

I MAY LOOK LIKE SHIT BUT IM ALSO DUMB AS FUCK



twerking on the railroad posted:

Just saw "Fences." I'm not sure if this is quite fair but my feeling when watching it was that it was the black Glengarry Glen Ross. It's basically a vehicle for Denzel Washington and Viola Davis to go on extended monologues and just basically act everyone else's faces off.

I mean, sure, but I guess you could say similar things about Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf and nobody would be complaining about the results.

BeanpolePeckerwood
May 4, 2004

I MAY LOOK LIKE SHIT BUT IM ALSO DUMB AS FUCK



Raxivace posted:

I haven't seen Fences yet but Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf? did try and add some cinematic touches to the material. Like that great tracking shot that ends with the fakeout where George grabs a rifle, where we think he's about to murder Martha but it only turns out to be a toy isn't in Albee's original play at all.

I'll agree with you there, Haskel Wexler on DP brings some nice visuals that really compliment the material without overwhelming it.



edit; vvvvvvvv I hear ya

BeanpolePeckerwood fucked around with this message at 17:10 on Feb 4, 2017

BeanpolePeckerwood
May 4, 2004

I MAY LOOK LIKE SHIT BUT IM ALSO DUMB AS FUCK



Arkane posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwmEWNXIsNk

Short video with Moonlight's director talking Wong Kar Wai.

Seems so obvious in hindsight that the final scene of Moonlight was influenced by In the Mood for Love.

In the Mood for Love and Days of Being Wild were on my mind almost the whole movie.




WKW is a deity

BeanpolePeckerwood
May 4, 2004

I MAY LOOK LIKE SHIT BUT IM ALSO DUMB AS FUCK



Steve Yun posted:

Think back over the years about all the films that got nominated because of the underlying story being respectable and not because of any exceptional artistry in the crafting of the film. Hidden Figures, Imitation Game, Selma, etc.

Selma is a pretty drat accurate account of that moment in time.

BeanpolePeckerwood
May 4, 2004

I MAY LOOK LIKE SHIT BUT IM ALSO DUMB AS FUCK



Uncle Boogeyman posted:

I didn't think Selma was that great either. It's a solid B+ movie. Great cinematography though.


12 Years a Slave is like a thousand times better than Selma.

Selma is good, it doesn't lack artistic merit at all. But yeah, 12 Years a Slave is on another level. Just another level.

Kawabata posted:

I think it's a stretch to call 12 years a slave or Selma great movies and there certainly were better oscar/oscar nomination contenders at the time, but sure they're both on another planet compared to Hacksaw Ridge.

You fuckin nuts, boy.

BeanpolePeckerwood
May 4, 2004

I MAY LOOK LIKE SHIT BUT IM ALSO DUMB AS FUCK



Raxivace posted:

Nebraska was my personal favorite of that year.

I like 12 Years a Slave but I kind of feel like it needed to be connected to modern times more, if the number of white people I know that walked out of the movie saying "Well thank god racism is over now here in America and all that slavery stuff is in the past" are any indication. That being said I'm not sure how that could have been done in a way that would work with telling Solomon Northup's story specifically.

Except that it's pretty much the only high profile film about American slavery that indicts Christianity as a central component of the success of said institution, which basically represents a major change in historical interpretation, at least where cinema is concerned. I like how David Simon put it: "...it marks the first time in history that our entertainment industry, albeit with international creative input, has managed to stare directly at slavery and maintain that gaze"

BeanpolePeckerwood
May 4, 2004

I MAY LOOK LIKE SHIT BUT IM ALSO DUMB AS FUCK



Raxivace posted:

Eh, there was Spielberg's Amistad too though I don't think its as good as 12YAS.

What's your point?

BeanpolePeckerwood
May 4, 2004

I MAY LOOK LIKE SHIT BUT IM ALSO DUMB AS FUCK



Raxivace posted:

That it also addressed religion as part of what allowed slavery to spread, though like I said I don't think it did it as well as 12YAS.

I guess it's been a while since I saw it, but yeah...I don't remember that. Oh well, wasn't trying to be a dick :)

BeanpolePeckerwood
May 4, 2004

I MAY LOOK LIKE SHIT BUT IM ALSO DUMB AS FUCK



Vegetable posted:

Alicia Vikander is real good in it

She's pretty much good in everything. That same year she slam-dunked in Ex Machina.

BeanpolePeckerwood
May 4, 2004

I MAY LOOK LIKE SHIT BUT IM ALSO DUMB AS FUCK



Kawabata posted:

It felt like slavery horror porn to me. I like that the entertainment industry finally looked at slavery in the eye and didn't flinch but the movie overall was pretty dull and could've easily been 20 minutes shorter.12 years a slave also seemed to look for shock factor really hard, which is perplexing because its source already had it in spades. I read Northup's book before the movie and iirc there were at least a couple of absolutely vicious scenes like a slave stabbed to death to prevent a rape and a naked woman whipped in public where either the movie greatly exaggerated the events or completely made them up.

I would've really liked a little less torture and a little more narrative cohesion / character focus. Because the torture and absolute evil message is totally driven home by 1/3 of the movie. The way a massive truck is driven through your home.


So the movie was boring and dull but also too shocking, pornographic even? Bleh. Sorry they didn't sanitize the events of systematized human exploitation enough for ya! :rolleyes:

Yeah, I couldn't disagree with you more. In fact, part of what made 12years so powerful for me is that such a beautiful film could be made about such an ugly subject, and that its message about human behavior and compromised morality could be so nuanced. But hey, I'll humor you. Here is a decent film essay about the violence depicted in the film and how it is strategically shot to demonstrate brutality in the aftermath of the act rather than during...how, in general, there is very little resolution, release, or catharsis for the audience in the end...you know, release (violent, sexual, or otherwise) being one particular feature that helps us critically define something as pornographic or not. The same standard could also be applied to a film as extreme as Irreversible for example, a movie that Ebert notably defended as not pornographic due to its reverse narrative structure which prevented the potential of audience release through violence.


Anyways.

BeanpolePeckerwood
May 4, 2004

I MAY LOOK LIKE SHIT BUT IM ALSO DUMB AS FUCK



Kawabata posted:

Oh, I knew you'd play the "they didn't sanitize it enough for you" card. But that wasn't the issue, because if you read my post (which doesn't look like you did, it just looks like you're annoyed because I don't like the movie you love) you'd remember that I read Northup's book before watching 12 Years a Slave.


I did read your post. I just disagreed with it, which is what I said. 12 Years A Slave only won 3 awards, duder, it didn't clean up in any way. One of those was for adapted screenplay, so there are definitely people who disagree with you about its particular relevance to the book, and I'm sure you understand that a film can adapt material in different ways while still respecting the core message, right?

We can agree to disagree, but yeah, I think your 'tone' argument is absolutely fallacious.

BeanpolePeckerwood
May 4, 2004

I MAY LOOK LIKE SHIT BUT IM ALSO DUMB AS FUCK



Pirate Jet posted:

Spotlight isn't a bad movie but I feel like there's something really strange about it winning Best Picture and nothing else.

Best Picture should not be understood as Best Film, but more like Best Record at the Grammys, a producer's credit.

BeanpolePeckerwood
May 4, 2004

I MAY LOOK LIKE SHIT BUT IM ALSO DUMB AS FUCK



Detective Dog Dick posted:

Spotlight was a hell of a lot better than The Revenant and The Martian at any rate.

I'm a bit surprised to say that I agree.




edit; though I'd still take The Insider over spotlight.

BeanpolePeckerwood
May 4, 2004

I MAY LOOK LIKE SHIT BUT IM ALSO DUMB AS FUCK



Vegetable posted:

Wish Jackie got more love. It's a genuinely different, hypnotic biopic. So gorgeous and well scored. The Oscars don't reward non-convention, of course, but it generally hasn't gotten much love across the awards circuit.

Fox Searchlight bet big on Birth of a Nation instead which ended up having baggage in the PR sphere.

BeanpolePeckerwood
May 4, 2004

I MAY LOOK LIKE SHIT BUT IM ALSO DUMB AS FUCK



Having watched a bunch this year, my top ten for '16:

1. Moonlight
2. 20th Century Women
3. I Am Not Your Negro
4. Paterson
5. Silence
6. Everybody Wants Some
7. The Fits
8. Arrival
9. The Lure
10. Manchester By The Sea


Honorable: Fences, Hail, Caesar!, The Lobster, Toni Erdmann,

BeanpolePeckerwood
May 4, 2004

I MAY LOOK LIKE SHIT BUT IM ALSO DUMB AS FUCK



dont even fink about it posted:

After finally watching Zero Dark Thirty I cannot believe it got nominated for anything. Setting aside the torture issue, it's loving boring.

Although, I think the point the movie was trying to make was that it was a POV film, letting you watch intelligence officers unreliably narrate the facts to themselves. The December 2009 Chapman base bombing is the most obvious "something bad is going to happen" sequence in film history, but all of the characters are psyched that they found a guy who is going to give up Bin Laden. Or the ending, where everyone acts like an organized murder/robbery is a big turning point, but the film itself is telling you that the facts on the ground are no different than before.

I think that was the point. But holy poo poo it's just a way too long movie with a bunch of office characters that they could have frankly cut.

In addition to being an incredibly obvious piece of agitprop.

BeanpolePeckerwood
May 4, 2004

I MAY LOOK LIKE SHIT BUT IM ALSO DUMB AS FUCK



Shimrra Jamaane posted:

Yeah La La Land is going to clean up tonight and it's going to suck.

:(


Well, we do live in a world where Mad Max Fury Road was nominated 10 times and won 6, so....

BeanpolePeckerwood
May 4, 2004

I MAY LOOK LIKE SHIT BUT IM ALSO DUMB AS FUCK



Josh Lyman posted:

All technical awards though.

It doesn't even matter.

BeanpolePeckerwood
May 4, 2004

I MAY LOOK LIKE SHIT BUT IM ALSO DUMB AS FUCK



DC Murderverse posted:

She's so amazing. Like, one day she decided that she was gonna start acting and now she's in 22% of the movies nominated for Best Picture.

God she was good in Moonlight.

BeanpolePeckerwood
May 4, 2004

I MAY LOOK LIKE SHIT BUT IM ALSO DUMB AS FUCK



Criminal Minded posted:

Yeah, I've been a fan of her music for years so the fact that she's taking off as an actress is loving awesome.

And not to get all :malegaze: about it but good lord she is beautiful and that dress she's wearing tonight is totally awesome

Yes to this post.

BeanpolePeckerwood
May 4, 2004

I MAY LOOK LIKE SHIT BUT IM ALSO DUMB AS FUCK



Shneak posted:

Holy poo poo that was her? :stare:

What's her name's girl.

BeanpolePeckerwood
May 4, 2004

I MAY LOOK LIKE SHIT BUT IM ALSO DUMB AS FUCK



Best moment was when Moonlight deservedly won against all odds.

Second best moment was Ryan Gosling's sister's amazing boobs.

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BeanpolePeckerwood
May 4, 2004

I MAY LOOK LIKE SHIT BUT IM ALSO DUMB AS FUCK



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