Register a SA Forums Account here!
JOINING THE SA FORUMS WILL REMOVE THIS BIG AD, THE ANNOYING UNDERLINED ADS, AND STUPID INTERSTITIAL ADS!!!

You can: log in, read the tech support FAQ, or request your lost password. This dumb message (and those ads) will appear on every screen until you register! Get rid of this crap by registering your own SA Forums Account and joining roughly 150,000 Goons, for the one-time price of $9.95! We charge money because it costs us money per month for bills, and since we don't believe in showing ads to our users, we try to make the money back through forum registrations.
 
  • Post
  • Reply
Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
I feel a not entirely trivial reason for the Sonic fanbase having massively chilled out in recent years is uniting over sheer hatred of Ken Penders.

Adbot
ADBOT LOVES YOU

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

bobjr posted:

Instead of the shot revealing he's a Texas Ranger it's revealed Boomhauer makes his living drawing furry porn.

That would probably explain a lot

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

A MIRACLE posted:

boomhauer was p much assigned to monitor his best friend dale

Actually suddenly it all makes sense.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

SettingSun posted:

I really dig the episode where Bobby joins the alternative Christian youth group. It's hilarious how much that group's antics rile Hank up.

"Hey, I think that one's smoking! (sigh) No, he's praying."

Reminds me of the Halloween one where Hank's rigid worldview is surprisingly consistent about if you're going to be rebellious and cause trouble, at least commit to it. Trying to make it cleaned-up and all Jesus-y just makes it incredibly boring and even more annoying.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

BIG FLUFFY DOG posted:

If you’re going to steal a car make sure you fill the gas tank up all the way so the next time the driver drives it they think “how’d that happen”

Apparently in the smoking episode he outright says "Whatever you do you should do right, even if it's something wrong."

Actually makes sense considering how much shenanigans Hank gets up to throughout the series, you don't keep getting away with that stuff without covering your tracks. Though all the main characters often have a surprising core of common sense under their quirks.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
At least in early seasons I get the idea Peggy isn't meant to be stupid- quite intelligent, even, but just smart enough to get herself into more trouble than a stupid person could manage.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

naem posted:

peggy is an intelligent person who is using a working-class operating system

honor, duty, tradition, just doggedly keeping at it without knowledge, these work fine in say a factory

now add to that being genuinely above average in a small pond and you become a menace

Put that way, that's pretty much what she has in common with Hank.

Actually a key thing is they're both naive, though they express it in different ways, as Hank is stubborn and has a hard time changing his mind, while Peggy just has a huge ego that once provoked makes her double down on her first assumption. She can be downright savvy once she actually figures out what's going on, while Hank struggles with adjusting his frame of mind to new information, being so set in his ways.

On that note, I think one of the reasons Dale and Peggy both get along poorly and are scary when they team up is because they're so similar; probably above average intelligence and more competent than they seem, but also both have huge egos and a propensity to self-delusion. (Dale just mentally rewrites his theories to suit any new information as if he knew it all along, usually) Normally they bounce off each other but when they both have wounded egos and an external enemy to take them out on, whoo boy.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

Mokelumne Trekka posted:

one thing I liked about the episode with Hank's new "friend" is that Boomhauer is not part of the problem, he's the quasi-friend that's just sort of "there" on the sidelines. Bill/Dale are the giant pain in the rear end idiots, not him.

also lol @ Hank and his new friend parting ways just because they could not sync up schedules in the next week. maybe I'm missing a joke here? actually it kind of is realistic...

Extremely realistic, especially for pre-smartphone times. Sometimes you meet people you'd click with but schedules, time zones and other life poo poo just means you don't have the time for each other.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
Honestly I can kinda see why Nancy cheats on Dale. In theory Dale is crazy about her, yeah, but every sign is he's a pretty lovely husband who's always running off on some bullshit, and barely knows anything about her or makes effort to spend time with her day to day, hence why she finds the affair so goddamn easy.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
I think it makes sense looking at it from the angle that when Dale actually puts his full attention on something, he goes all-in. He probably was a great husband, at least for a while. But after the honeymoon period wears off and his attention goes elsewhere...

That even tracks with the episodes where they reinvigorate their relationship, he does some ridiculous grand gestures she actually does appreciate- I'd say Nancy does actually appreciate that kind of silly poo poo, even, when other women might find it tiring or uncomfortable- but it takes some constant reminding to get him to pay attention day to day. Also funny that Nancy doesn't seem to dislike Dale at all, or even actively avoid him- as said, he just makes it too easy.

Dale's parenting credentials are a bit questionable, given his paranoid ways and propensity to overreaction, but then again at least he's attentive and has no issue showing affection, unlike Hank. And you can tell the influence when Joseph is incredibly socially awkward and weird, though then again that might just be puberty hitting him like a sledgehammer with about as much brain damage. And with Dale's weirdness AND John Redcorn's libido... though funny thing is that on a closer look, Joseph has personality AND physical traits from all three of them.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

Asterite34 posted:

Naw, Bill was Prom King and Lenore stole him away from whoever was Prom Queen

I feel like Bill is basically living in the aftermath of a high school romcom.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

Sir Mat of Dickie posted:

It was his force of personality and entrepreneurial spirit.

Really, and that's why his friends stick with him too. He's a weirdo but he's full of energy and passion even after all these years. Especially looking at Bill as a contrast.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

pixaal posted:

Dale will put a ton of effort into getting something and then doesn't care about maintaining it. Most of his conspiracies he will take to their logical conclusion but then backs off and abandons them. Is it that hard to believe he did the same with Nancy? He has Nancy, why does he have to prove he loves her? She knows it.

And this happens all the drat time in real life. Look at how many relationships have one partner (usually the husband) totally check out after the honeymoon period (literal or otherwise). All those r/relationships post about how a woman realises the man who got her pregnant is a useless lump once she actually needs something.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

Cowslips Warren posted:

We all know that Dale is a huge coward, but I do remember an episode when Joseph had a bad dream and cried out in the middle of the night, and Dale wearing nothing but his hat, sunglasses, underwear and I think a pair of work boots, kicked the loving door in with a gun in each hand.

Coward he is but papa wolf he is too. Mandolorian ain't got nothing on him when it comes to his boy.

And on realising it's just because Joseph had a bad dream, Dale immediately and gladly switches gears and offers to read him a story.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

sweet geek swag posted:

Have you actually seen his act? Because out of context it makes no sense. I'm not saying it's good in context, but I understand where the humor is supposed to be coming from

I have been told literally the point of RJJ is that he's the bore who won't shut up and delays the actual punchline. But boomers don't actually know what jokes are and so just assume he's meant to be funny by association.

The Moon Monster posted:

Dale's parenting skills seem to vary wildly between episodes. Sometimes he's a good dad, others he drives Joseph away by convincing him he's an alien or makes up a "smoking bandit" character to win Joseph's respect.

Even while inconsistent characterisation is a regular theme with KotH, I'd say that fits. Dale is, as mentioned, incredibly passionate and driven when he's actually paying attention, but that energy doesn't necessarily go in a positive direction.

Apparently the episode where he ends up in an asylum has the doctor suggest he keeps taking his medication, and I get the feeling Dale understands on some level he's genuinely got mental issues.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
Mr Hill is helping me buy my gun.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
Revival Dale is medicated and his having to navigate the US medical system has him now hating and distrusting the government for entirely valid reasons.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
Most charitably, it's basically a meme.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

BIG FLUFFY DOG posted:

Dales Christmas present to hank that year was letting him help

Hey, some people just like to be useful.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

A MIRACLE posted:

hank also has a bad habit of assuming good faith in everyone he meets

but he's always suspicious of people peggy meets

I imagine being married to Peggy for over a decade has him very used to how easily she gets conned. As we discussed, she's pretty much the perfect mark.

BIG FLUFFY DOG posted:

Dale is remarkably in touch with his feelings and sensitive side.

I can’t remember who pointed it out but Dalie is basically Hanks mirror image in that he’s successful at everything Hanks weak at (close to his son, in touch with his feelings, can openly display affection, can shoot straight) while he’s weak at everything Hank’s successful at (failing business, wife cheated on him, trusts the wrong people and distrusts the right ones)

Wonder if this is one reason why Hank and Dale get along surprisingly well; they cover for each others' weaknesses, and have enough respect for one another to at least hear the other out when faced with a problem.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

BlueBayou posted:

It always seemed wrong that Hank would be the one to fall for car dealer scams not Peggy.

Especially after Hank tells Bobby to pretend he hates the new truck.

Given what car dealers are like they're probably too rude to Peggy to even give her a chance to be ripped off. Hank on the other hand is suspicious of outsiders and modernity, but very easily falls for the good ol' boy act, which is the whole used car salesman stereotype for a reason.

namlosh posted:

Car buying episode, Hank is supposed to learn that buying something from someone you know can be the worst way to go if you don’t do at least some research. His “car guy” was screwing him over his whole life. End of the episode, Bobby buys his PlayStation and tells the seller: “you’re my electronics guy”. Despite him getting a deal because the dude was afraid of Hank; lesson not learned

Disagree, Bobby is clearly smart to go back to the guy who has already been cowed.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

namlosh posted:

That’s fair, the main point of the episode is for Hank to learn that.

But Hank literally states in the beginning that he wants Bobby to learn the value of a dollar. He failed to do that

It just may not be the main point of the episode

Honestly feels realistic and funny for a lesson to fail, and if anything works better than the times characters seem to have to learn the same lesson again and again. Also I get the idea that by the end of such an ordeal Bobby is just bewildered and sick of the whole mess to the point where he just picks the option that resolves the situation quickly so he can move on with his life.

Not to mention the frequent theme that Hank doesn't understand the kind of things he's trying to teach as well as he thinks he does.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

Cowslips Warren posted:

I believe it's early on in the first or second season, but the episode where Hank suspects boomhauer is dating or sleeping with Luann because he catches Luann kissing him on the cheek, and Hank would rather believe his womanizing friend is totally going to do that as opposed to the good old boy he tried to set Luann up with who ended up trying to push her into sex. If I remember right, doesn't Hank kick her out of the house and she ends up going to stay with boomhauer and all he does is bring her a blanket and some pillows while she sits there crying and he lets her sleep wherever because he's probably the best dude in all of Arlen.

Boomhauer def seems on the ethical slut line, he likes getting laid but he's not stupid about it. And seems to wrap it up more than John Redcorn does.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

Fur20 posted:

when the lights in boomhauer's room are turned off and the door is shut, a disco ball descends from the ceiling and dido starts playing

How many of these jokes did Family Guy steal for Quagmire's house?

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

FBS posted:

How dare you steal that boy's innocence!

Now get out of this gardening section, you make me sick!

I get the feeling that whole bit is not kidding in the slightest about gardening shows.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
A lot about Hank's personality makes sense given every flashback to his childhood is frankly horrifying levels of near-constant verbal abuse from Cotton. He's incredibly anxious and terrified of judgement when anywhere outside his comfort zone, and has a thankfully much lesser tendency to explosive outbursts of anger. It says a lot that Hank and Peggy have been good enough parents for Bobby to be legitimately easygoing and cheerful.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
That's almost a long form shitpost but maybe that just helps, Bobby's friendly nature, unflappability and skill at defusing tension is never treated as anything less than a good thing. In a show all about flawed people, he brings out the best in them.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

SettingSun posted:

Hank: I can't turn my back on him. Without Buck, I'd still be selling pants. I'd never tell him this, but I think of him as...a mentor.

Peggy, smugly: Really? I thought *I* was your mentor.

I feel Hank has definitely learned a lot from Peggy, but not in that way.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

naem posted:

Peggy IS Luanne, or was until she married Hank

she comes from a family who can’t keep their trailer from tipping over, very humble beginnings

The real scary part is Peggy probably is like she is because she's used to being, by a considerable margin, the smartest one in the room.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

Asterite34 posted:

Peggy is Luanne without the undiagnosed dyslexia

Undiagnosed learning disabilities explains a lot about that family actually.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

JaddaCaddra posted:

That's right, I didn't even think about that.

And since that episode came out after "Dog Dale Afternoon," and within the same year, I'm taking it as confirmation. Dale was serious.

Heh, if that came out before then Dale would also know that Bobby's capable of doing an Ol Yeller if necessary.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

Apparently mace holsters are just the right size for WD-40 cans.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
Godzilla: The Series, the cartoon spinoff of the 90s American Godzilla movie, which being from the studio who made Jackie Chan Adventures, Extreme Ghostbusters and Men In Black The Series was way better than it had any right to be, had a trio of mecha piloting kaiju hunters riffing on the King of the Hill cast.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
Was gonna joke about Bobby being a therapist and then realising that's about halfway to Southern Frasier.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
Hence the best option is Bobby somehow being much more successful than Hank.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
Actually hope they have Luanne be even more inexplicably successful.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
Dale is probably one of those people who'd come out of 2020 actually saner.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
Bobby's Burgers

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

Nooner posted:

*Dooley voice*
Your operating system sucks

I mean how is the valid answer to this not 'Tell me something I don't know'

Adbot
ADBOT LOVES YOU

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

I love the implication this happens multiple times like a hobby he gets back into and mixes it up a bit each time. Which is probably exactly what it is in practice.

ADHD would explain a lot about Dale actually.

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
  • Post
  • Reply