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I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

Nottherealaborn posted:

He dressed as his black friend, and vice versa. Hilariously unthought out costume, but not sure it rises to the level of “me and my college buds doing blackface and wearing white robes”.

Wasn’t Northam in medical school at the time?

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I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

Do you think any of the 500 people who got shot changed their attitudes toward gun control?

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

Agean90 posted:

I'm not sure if I hallucinated it or not, did an anti-vaxxer say the old diseases wearnt deadly cause all the people they've met survived it

Yes. It’s the same blindness that causes those boomer memes about how kids today are wimps because they grew up eating garbage, not wearing seatbelts, drinking from the hose, and playing in lead-contaminated dirt, but turned out fine.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

Al ! posted:

the "never get someone fired even if they're a nazi" perspective is bad because it neglects the safety and wellbeing of that person's fellow employees.

I think it’s projection to compensate for the fear inherent in the sudden realization that nobody has any job security and everyone can be fired at any time for literally no reason.

If I “play fair,” I can continue to pretend fair play exists.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

How do we overcome that poo poo? How do we undo this situation? These people don’t seem likely to organize for a war or anything—just gently caress with the rest of us and do mass shootings.

I don’t see a policy solution.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

He looks like he’s doubled his weight in the last five years.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

Jones is also probably going to lose the civil suit against the Sandy Hook families, which might go a long way toward cleaning him out.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

Is he dead?

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

That ending song was my phone ringer for like ten years. It’s a great movie.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

Dixie Cretin Seaman posted:

After New Zealand Shooting, Founder of 8chan Expresses Regrets

Fredrick Brennan founded the website 8chan more than five years ago as a no-holds-barred bastion of unconstrained speech devoted to critiquing what he saw as the authoritarianism of leftist culture and politics.

Now, he says, it has gone too far.
...
“It was very difficult in the days that followed to know that I had created that site,” he said in an interview from the Philippines, where he has lived since 2014. He added: “It wouldn’t surprise me if this happens again.”

Mr. Brennan for years tended to one of the internet’s darkest corners, moderating the site as criticism mounted for its persistently racist content and tolerance for user behavior that was long ago banned by mainstream platforms. The site has also been criticized for users posting child pornography and coordinating aggressive harassment campaigns against critics. Mr. Brennan was an administrator on the site until 2016 and worked for the owners of 8chan until December.
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Mr. Brennan, 25 years old, expressed regret that the site had consumed so much of his life. “I didn’t spend enough time making friends in real life,” he said. High-school events and classes in upstate New York didn’t matter to him at all. What mattered was the community of like-minded provocateurs, trolls, libertarians and conservative thinkers he discovered online as a boy and that formed his identity as a young man.

“I just feel like I wasted too much time on this stuff,” he said.
...
He began posting 4chan when he was 12 years old, meaning he has now been involved in image boards for more than half of his life.

“I have no desire to ever be involved in the image-board world again,” he said. “A lot of these sites cause more misery than anything else.”

A real-life Mr. Glass disappointed that his Bruce Willis never arrived.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

Knight posted:

Grocier: A SNAP card?! <colored lights start flashing, confetti falls from ceiling> Right to the front of the line, my friend. Are you sure your basket is full enou--HEY <pushes elderly veteran off his crutch> WHAT DID I TELL YOU ABOUT COMING BACK HERE? <turns back> Oh, and don't forget your complimentary filet mignon!

This is what Trump actually believes

We have some hot, fresh...pizza in the basement if you’d like.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

Dixie Cretin Seaman posted:

this concern (along with the uncharacteristic enthusiasm for the idea from centrist anti-welfare types), is why i remain pretty skeptical of ubi as a practical policy for improving the lives of the poor

if we ever really get to the point where tech makes ~50% of people perpetually unemployable i have full confidence a robust and successful ubi would be enacted by popular demand. but as i've said in the past, it's much more likely the wealthy will create useless servile jobs for those people which function as a marker of elite social status. (also, tech gets overhyped and low-skill" in-person service jobs are a lot harder to replace with robots than people acknowledge)

They’ll probably kill a lot of people through neglect. Remember that the environment is going to become inhospitable to humans over the next 50 years.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006


This is some real who shaves the barber poo poo tbh. I’ll leave it to the logicians so long as I can get in line to piss on the monument.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

Not every white person in those places is a dead-eyed fascist. Literally everyone is “working class” today in the sense of being desperate and in a perpetual state of precarity. Juggalos are comrades, for example, while your Betos and your Buttigiegs are the real fascists in waiting (and not people of color being elected to the house—who says that?)

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

“Urban liberal” means capitalist norms respecter most of the time. Most people seem to understand that insurgent populism is good when it comes from the left, and lots of people want it.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

Because American democracy is a sham designed to prevent any challenge to entrenched power structures, and that is more true of districts which are mostly dead foundries and hog poo poo lagoons than places with a bunch more potential voters who just don’t bother? AOC and Omar get so much attention because they’re pretty much the only ones to make it, and they’re basically under constant attack even by their own party.

White people are a huge problem because whiteness is a mental illness, but no demographic is a monolith. The democrats are garbage because they abandoned everyone for capital and not because they won’t field good candidates in Wisconsin. I’m not sure what we’re arguing about any more.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

cargo cult posted:

I am going to be honest I got triggered by that quote in question because Epic High Five asserted that rural white people will more readily join in (presumably left wing) revolution than urban liberals, despite the fact that urban liberals are actually the ones at the receiving end of state enforced white supremacy. I also really dislike the notion that White Supremacy in the red states is exclusively the province of upper middle class white people, who somehow manipulated working people into engaging in racist violence like lynchings. This to me sounds like fantastical revisionism. I'm pretty sure participation in pogroms and race riots isn't limited to class. From what I remember of American history some of the most strident and violent resistance to reconstruction came from white peasants who wanted to at least have a place in the caste system higher than freedmen.

I mean, it is true that whiteness was literally invented and deployed by rich people to manipulate poor whites into acting against their best interests. The southern planter class deliberately created the conditions that caused reconstruction to fail.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

I recently read White Identity Politics by Ashley Jardina, which gets into some of this. Basically, there is a considerable proportion of white Americans who don’t have much of a problem with programs to help black people or other disadvantaged minorities but who do value what they see as the advantages of being white, which include things like only being around other whites and having an easier time getting a job or being treated favorably by police. Jardina’s argument is that these people are frightened of the end of the white majority because they think that they will be reduced to the same level as everyone else. So there’s not much that can be done to reach them because of how they’ve constructed a political identity informed by their own race.

Their children could be reached if we had passable schooling and less segregation but lol to that. Although I feel like I should mention that my entire family is full of racists but somehow my brother and I ended up not being that way, probably because of PBS and making friends of different races at school.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

Elephant Ambush posted:

As a white person I want to end white supremacy but if all of us got wiped out the human race would just choose another "superior" skin color and the cycle would start all over again. What we need to eradicate is human selfishness and greed and the ability to acquire great wealth and power over others.

Race is deliberately constructed and maintained as a category. It’s not some accident or a manifestation of inherent human quality. There are historical reasons for white supremacy and, if we’re smart about it, there’s no reason race should emerge as the organizational logic of society. Remember that Catholics and “ethnic” whites were once subjected to racial othering but are now considered white.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

Serf posted:

no, you can't


never forget that in america the whole concept of the white race was invented by the wealthy to create a buffer between themselves and a unified underclass. and as time goes on, they've expanded the definition of "white" to reinforce that buffer. but it seems to me that there's really no more expanding to be done

Arabs were 100% in the whiteness pipeline before 9/11. Latinx people probably could have made it too if the neoliberal order had persisted another 50+ years, as Bush was absolutely toying with the idea of a latinx coalition in his first term. To have whiteness you really only need blackness to resolve it into clarity.

I had a history professor who was born in Alabama in the 70s to Chinese immigrant parents and her birth certificate says “white” because the race section is just two checkboxes, the other one being “black.” Her parents were confused but it was explained to them that the most important criterion for determining race was whether or not one was black.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

The actual definition of white genocide is race mixing driven by white women rejecting white men, so it is good actually. This is how white supremacists understand and use the term, so it’s not like people have ever used it to describe an actual antifa pogrom against car dealership managers or something, except without understanding how the term is used.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

Grape posted:

While true you're also skipping over the entire conceit of the Atlantic Slave Trade in the first place. Which was an inherent sense of sub-humanity regarding Africans, and their acceptable status for just being scooped up and transported like cargo for hard labor purposes. Not to mention all the wonderful attitudes toward the natives before that.

You're confusing an increasingly organized and manipulated white supremacism with invention.

Slavery as a widespread colonial economic practice slightly predates the development of a clear racial hierarchy. For example, Turks enslave Robinson Crusoe, and he’s not offended to be put alongside nonwhite slaves and is fine working alongside people of other races in order to escape, nor does he find the Turks to be racially inferior to him. I know it’s a novel, but it expresses racial attitudes in the imperial core circa 1690, which hadn’t yet solidified even though an international slave trade was already underway.

Racial hierarchy is more of a consequence of economic arrangements rather than a cause of them: chattel slavery became racialized because it was already there and required justification as a practice, just as colonialism developed clear racial strata as the conquerors came to need reasons for the rule they established in their colonies.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

cargo cult posted:

so where are we in disagreement?

white supremacy wasn't bolted on as ideological superstructure post-facto

african capitives were designated as subhumam upon first contact, well before they even reached the new world and began being worked to death

Why were they captives if not to be enslaved, though? European contempt for Africans prior to imperial domination abroad was premised on things like them having an alien culture or a heathen religion and the wrong kind of pants. Like, cultural rather than blood difference.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

Isn’t his whole story that he was hooked on coke and prayed himself clean in some mega church? I don’t know where the lovely pillow fits in.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

Zeroisanumber posted:

It's entertainment. There was a doc I watched a while back about a family of carnies who switched to running tent revivals without changing the nuts and bolts of their operation. Backstage, they were remarkably frank about how much bullshit they trucked in and assumed their audiences mostly just pretended to believe because it was a nice story.

There’s an old documentary about Marjoe Gortner of Starcrash fame that lays out the tent revival operation extremely clearly. All the operators know exactly what they’re doing and have contempt for the crowds they bring in.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

bob dobbs is dead posted:

People weren't in on the act of the WWE until like the 80s and 90s

Didn’t two wrestlers get in trouble with the owner because they drove to an event together and their characters were supposed to be enemies? What an absurd phenomenon. It must have been hard for the performers not to have enormous contempt for the audience.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

Malcolm XML posted:

for bad plans yeah.

there's no easy way to do multi employer defined benefit plans outside unions

You ask me, we need One Big Union. But then the silents betrayed the movement because they were as bad as boomers and more racist.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

pseudanonymous posted:

Something about this tweet is very funny to me:
god drat you for going after the guns!!
in the name of jesus christ amen!!!!
you are a piece of of poo poo.
i cant believe i voted for you rear end in a top hat!

There's a lot here to consider. The first thing to me:
is the god drat you for going after the guns!!
in the name of jesus christ amen!!!!

It reads like a poem or a spell. Is he calling on Christ to sentence Trump to hell? It reminds me of the exorcist.

The punctuation stands out to me as well. Two exclamation marks, 4 exclamation marks, a period, and then a final exclamation mark

!!!! - !! - . - !

It has a sort of rhythmic quality to it, a kind of a shout followed by a whisper, but with tension rising again on the final note.

Finally, the capitalization. Nothing is capitalized, yet every sentence is punctuated. This is striking to me, because it sort of reeks of a weird attitude like "I don't really care what I am saying or how, but the fact I'm saying it is very important!"

I think I could get a Phd out of this tweet.

Reminds me of that old “magic...magic...coming for you” freep post.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

That one does a good job of describing how these people are beyond saving. The only policy choices that will do any good there are ones that make it easier for their children to leave them.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

Powered Descent posted:

You knew he was a snake when you took him in.

I feel like Trump’s frequent use of that story at rallies is one of the most ominous things about him, as he generally seems to lack both the self-awareness and ability to understand metaphor necessary to understand why he would want to include that story in his rallies.

Like, it’s the villain taunting the world while getting away with his scheme, but the very qualities that make him villainous preclude the ability to be able to taunt the world in that way.

It’s uncanny, I mean to say.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

That’s a formal Hawaiian shirt.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

thicc_waluigi posted:

Is this the place to post videos of college Republicans being owned publicly?

https://mobile.twitter.com/GOPBadgers/status/1182029070432948225

*Disclaimer: watch out for the dirty jungle music of the negro and his rude words that we should be allowed to say*

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

Epic High Five posted:

:trumppop: god drat, that's right up there with the "YOU'RE HURTING THE WRONG PEOPLE" lady as platonic idealized form of this thread's subject

quote:

Other Chaldeans have brushed off the crackdown entirely because most of the affected people had committed a crime.
But Jabiro said those crimes don’t justify deportations that could lead to a death sentence.

They’ll gladly be the kapos and dig their own graves without even understanding what they’re doing.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

DragQueenofAngmar posted:

escaping from religious persecution to a country that you think does religious persecution on the right people

Really, there’s nothing more Americans than that.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

Grape posted:

I would still say it makes a difference, the religious thing, but it doesn't get them to the white zone unless they're particularly pale.
The more interesting phenomenon is people who ARE pale enough to pass as white in much of the US, but are Muslim. Seeing how perception can change based on that alone when people find out.
Or with women who choose to wear headscarves and that sort of thing.

I’d imagine “Chaldean” pings the same response in white Americans that “Catholic” did 100+ years ago. I used to live in an area with an Arab refugee community, and the white people there used “Chaldean” as a race designation. They probably didn’t even know it referred to a branch of the Catholic Church and thought it was like calling someone a Turk.

I feel like it would have been much worse if the white people figured out that they were Iraqis, though.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

I’d say that if they really believed that millions of children were being murdered every year, more of them would engage in violence and deny the legitimacy of the us government, but there was an abolition movement in the us for like 100+ years and only John Brown ever took the fight to the slavers.

I guess it’s more that genuine moral commitments, whether good or impossibly wrong and stupid, can’t compete with material comfort and the extreme atomization of life in America.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

VitalSigns posted:

They don't believe the second part.

They believe it’s true for anyone who isn’t them.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

bollig posted:

i would love this source


https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/07/us/florida-government-shutdown-marianna.html


http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/trump-voter-hes-not-hurting-the-people-he-needs-be-hurting

quote:

“I voted for him, and he’s the one who’s doing this,” she said of Mr. Trump. “I thought he was going to do good things. He’s not hurting the people he needs to be hurting.”

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

The video of his face as he realizes what’s happening is awesome because it’s the first time I’ve seen him express any pain and it’s narcissistic injury at something completely trivial.

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I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

Trump didn’t really seduce anyone—he won because Clinton depressed the vote by being a bad candidate and pushing the message that her victory was inevitable. If she had run a better campaign, those few thousand trump voters wouldn’t have mattered.

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