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the only way to educate dipshits like this is to let them get pounded in the rear end hard by their own electoral choices. i hope they all lose their healthcare and are reduced to voting democrat in 2 and 4 years to get it back in the meantime liberals have plenty on our plate just trying to protect the vulnerable groups who weren't self-indulgent enough to vote in an obvious monster just to give the finger to the rest of the country
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Squizzle posted:ok not to reverse course on the "its cool to mock them" thing but there is a kind of rabid fever that talented populists tap into that short circuits logic, and some of what we're seeing posted itt is the fever of the campaign has broken and they realize they got carried away and things went too far. it's important that we acknowledge and understand this phenomenon in order to more effectively counter it in the future and keep the rhetoric grounded however there is still no getting around the crushing stupidity of voting for the guy who explicitly promised to gently caress you over, and then getting pissed at him for loving you over. traditionally, radical populists run into trouble with their base if they don't keep their campaign promises
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brains and not even a lil bit our default way of engaging the world. we're social and emotional and something that appeals to our biases will bull right through our logic circuits w/o slowing down
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Epic High Five posted:Hopefully she takes that lesson to heart and notices who is fighting for her and who is saying her mom is a terrorist lol nope, she'll take exactly the opposite lesson, everything worked out in the end so she was right to vote trump after all
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Jan 31, 2017 06:12
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stephenfry posted:how is clinton not precisely as "retarded" as stein? she went on a speaking tour to encourage the wealthy to invest in fracking and she thinks encryption is magical. not to get off topic, but ill just leave this here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2suVx9cDKw
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pfizerman posted:too much concern trolling chatter, get with the posting of tweets chop chop 
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Yossarian-22 posted:Gary fucknuts supported amnesty at least gary impressed me by somehow finding a less coherent stance on global warming than the shameless con-man who says it's a chinese hoax
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cargo cult posted:dude iranian americans, ahem, 'persians,' are the most credulous loving rubes out of any model minority ethnic group. ive always known this i know a nice but somewhat naive egyptian muslim woman who voted for jill stein and was happy to see clinton lose to trump bc she didn't like how libya got hosed under clinton as secretary of state. i am kinda curious to know if her opinion on the matter has evolved but also don't want to be an rear end about it
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another amazing dipshitquote:Syrian American Sarmad Assali, a Donald Trump supporter, isn't saying she has buyer's remorse over who she backed for the White House.
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H.P. Hovercraft posted:https://twitter.com/Lionsmaul/status/754050237098921985 i mean, this thread is proof that voters are inexplicably stupid, so who knows. but this one might just be a liberal attempting a half-assed troll
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of all the dumb arguments trumpkins gave this always rang the most hollow, i refuse to believe that even the stupidest person actually thought that donald j trump was a measured pacifist
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Barbe Rouge posted:Please think about it lol this is right up there with the trumpkin who didn't understand why he sent her a nice christmas card in 2015 but nothing for christmas 2016.. saw it around one of these compilations but can't find it now saw this one while looking, tho: 
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even 1-percenters belong itt i personally know two idiots whose stated policy is to always vote for the candidate who they believe will lower their taxes, full stop. both voted trump and are now deeply worried that his idiocy will be bad for the stock market 
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Slamhound posted:Republicans never wanted to move on from Dubyaism because they wallowed in it. They just kept silent afterwards because it was an abject and humiliating failure, and they were eager for anyone who could bring it back , i.e. Trump. *leans into microphone* Wrong!
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Jedi Knight Luigi posted:The kids in question live: newsflash, the suburbs are filled with upper middle class white republicans who are scared of brown ppl
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Epic High Five posted:Nobody will be voting in 2018 that the GOP doesn't want to vote look im not saying you are off-base about the shenanigans the GOP pulls, but this kind of cynical defeatist attitude is doing their voter suppression work for them with politics so polarized, elections generally come down to base turnout. the party that doesn't have the presidency tends to be pissed that they're out of power, therefore more motivated. this is why midterms are dangerous for the party that has the presidency. when democrats have the presidency long enough they get too complacent and start infighting and defecting to novelty green party candidates. republicans have better party discipline but they get demoralized when their leader is weak and embarrassing. obama is a great politician, but he is also a black dude named hussein. you can't really explain the scope of his victory in 2008 without the utter disaster of the bush administration, that even republicans were acknowledging by the end. my point is, the republicans have the power, and their leader is historically unpopular for an incoming president; deeply embarrassing and childish on a daily basis; goes against GOP orthodoxy on several key issues; and appears to be letting the GOP push through their most unpopular legislative priorities, like repealing the ACA and Dodd-Frank. even with all the bullshit the GOP does to tilt the scales, the democrats have a big opportunity in 2018, and we should not dismiss this.
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Epic High Five posted:lol I'm fighting this all the time I'm not being a cynical defeatist like someone who seems to think it'll all just work out on its own with time, it's just all part of a cycle man gotcha; still doesn't hurt to remind everyone itt so y'all better remember: you do your best to get good democrats in the primaries, but you vote, and vote democrat, in the generals. if ruth bader ginsberg passes before 2020 we're going to need 51 senators to pull the Garland maneuver or things will get even more hosed than they are already this woman voted for a reality tv star president, and i strongly suspect her all-time favorite US president has co-starred with a chimp in a lovely hollywood movie
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stephenfry posted:how is clinton not precisely as "retarded" as stein? she went on a speaking tour to encourage the wealthy to invest in fracking and she thinks encryption is magical. sorry, i know this is an old reply to a thread derail, but i saw this tweet and had to share https://twitter.com/DrJillStein/status/829008961550553093
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it doesn't matter if the piss tape exists, it would be idiotic for the russians to release it anymore. they're hosed. it would prove the russians were working trump from the start trump would be forced out of office democrats, republicans, and all the other western nations that are being subjected to russian election meddling, would all be united and out for russian blood president mike pence (or president paul ryan), as an old-school reagan-fellating conservative, would happily launch Cold War II, Election Bugaboo if a piss tape exists it will now only be released by russia if trump himself goes full megalomaniac and is on the verge of declaring war on russia
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The Brown Menace posted:Actually in the real world and not in whatever sweat lodge/gas yurt hallucination you just had, American and European right wingers would just shrug and be like hell yeah Russia and Putin are both extremely cool and good and nothing else would come of it hmm yes, but in the real real world the republicans will realize that "ignore the problem and hope it goes away" is no longer viable, they will pretend to be shocked that such a totally unexpected revelation came out of nowhere, and will instantly turn on trump. they will then remind their boomer voter base (who grew up during the cold war and do not think russia is good or cool) that donald trump was never a real republican, and thank god that a true republican president, mike pence, is finally in charge. at this point embarrassed republicans will fall over themselves to bash russia to try to prove they weren't being gutless traitors all along, which they were and are
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Philthy posted:There would be no President Pence, Ryan, or any other Republican. The public at large would demand new elections and Republicans would be left out of it due to being tainted at that point. someone really needs to make  in smilie form
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Relevant Tangent posted:Ahahahaha, we're likelier to have a civil war where the interior fights the coasts than we are to see that world. in fact the first would basically be a prerequisite for the second, considering what the constitution says about presidential succession
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if nobody cares about russian meddling then why was flynn forced out? why is trump going nuts about leaks from intelligence agencies about the russian connections? why still hide his tax returns? you don't cover up poo poo that you don't expect will hurt you. more to the point: if republicans suddenly like russia bc it's in their partisan political interest to do so, they can turn on russia just as quickly for the same reason. trump and the gop is a marriage of convenience and everyone else in the presidential succession line is a more stable and reliable conservative than trump. im not naive enough to think that republicans will do their patriotic duty here; im saying there isn't even a blindly partisan reason for them to stand by him if the scandals start getting in the way of their domestic agenda. a russian hookers piss sex tape would be more than enough reason to kick him to the curb and install pence or ryan. to paraphrase a very successful businessman: what would they have to lose? what the hell would they have to lose?
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Agean90 posted:the trump base won't give a fuuuuuck and decry everything as fake news. so all the smart GOP Congressmen are stuck running mental calculus as to where their seat will be safe if trump is ousted, because if he is the GOP will melt down about as hard as the DNC is right now bro, just go all in and say "why bother voting since trump will announce that the results were fake news and declare himself god-king of america   " gently caress off with this stupid edgelord cynicism for cynicism's sake routine, this attitude is exactly the kind of poo poo that helps republicans/russians keep u disengaged from democracy trump isn't crying fake news because he feels strong. strong leaders don't need to plug their ears and cry "nuh uh it's all lies" over and over again. weak leaders with little legitimacy do that. he basically won the election on a technicality, he's a month into his 1st term and already historically unpopular and scandal-ridden, and is on thin loving ice with his own party, who aren't even "his" party in any historical sense and have zero reason to take any political heat for him if/when the poo poo hits the fan.
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HorseRenoir posted:Every president will have ride or die supporters, even Nixon's floor was around 40% during Watergate. All the fuss about Trump diehards is mostly coming from liberals who are continually surprised that stupid people exist Yup, the true deplorables are a loud but tiny minority, akin to the ron paul fanatics of 2008. if you think trump is in a strong position but can't explain why flynn was given the boot then you need to reevaluate your premises. here's another riddle for you: if trump is so strong why doesn't he just force the fbi, cia, etc end their investigation into the russia connections? they ultimately fall under the executive branch and everyone in power thinks russia is the tits now, so why degrade himself with angry tweets when he could just make it all go away? you know our BFF putin would never allow his own intelligence agents to investigate him, i guess donald is just a really strong believer in rule of law and avoiding conflict of interest!
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:This was inevitable from the moment he won. He spent the entire campaign promising to do things he couldn't possibly do if he won, because he didn't expect to win and didn't understand how the Presidency works anyway. He won with a likely-unrepeatable coalition of very angry (and in some cases stark raving mad) people desperate for an alternative. When that alternative fails their anger will fall on him too. but one of the dangers with trump is that he is such a singularly buffoonish personality that his failures won't do much to discredit the underlying ideology, it will all be blamed on his many glaring personal flaws, and a "cuckservative" congress. the next alt-right candidate(s) will be more serious, and if they can't yet make it to president they'll be filling seats in the house and the senate trump wouldn't have won if he wasn't channeling the feelings of the gop base. the party is growing a significant fascist wing that isn't going away anytime soon
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Proud Christian Mom posted:Trump will blame everyone else starting with Congressional Republicans and his supporters will believe it(because it will be true) and congressional gop will blame trump as a fake republican and the gop pundit+donor classes will believe it (bc, also true) but eventually the trumpish base will organize and primary the gop congress and take over and WN candidates may wind up the norm for republicans lol that "small govt" was literally invented as a dog whistle for the southern strategy yet the randian true believers deluded themselves into thinking poor white ppl really hate govt services
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Gringostar posted:who are voters going to believe though? it's a party realignment and how it shakes out is hard to predict, but i think it's very likely that trump-style nationalists show up and win in state level races and congressional seats in the coming years regardless of how trump himself turns out. as i said, it's easy to see trump the man as an anomaly/cult of personality. he is anomalous, in his temperament and personality and attention span. that doesn't mean it is necessarily anomalous that his ethno-nationalist core message appealed to voters. those far right politicians are all over europe. actually, i would argue that the only explanation of why an impulsive clown from a deep blue state with an affinity for russia won the republican nomination is that his core white nationalist message resonated so strongly with much of the gop base (the general election is a bit more complicated for a variety of factors we're all familiar with)
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"boomers are constantly complaining about millennials" -- every millennial ever, complaining about boomers (i.e. their parents) "boomers can't understand how things have changed since they were kids!" -- said by millennials who bash bill clinton for supporting DOMA and DADT boomers normalized women's rights and relaxed the strict sexual mores of the 50s. they ended jim crow and oversaw vast (albeit incomplete) improvements in the cultural inclusivity of US society that are the bedrock for all of today's social justice movements. so far, millennials have birthed a bumper crop of neo-nazis and the notion that political power can be obtained by not voting. every generation has problems, and they rarely see their own. let's not get too full of ourselves. (for the record im in my mid 30s, idk wtf my generation is supposed to be)
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wizard on a water slide posted:1) Their willingness to write in a non-Trump/Clinton candidate, while ultimately useless in this election, might suggest good things about millennials - opposition to our lovely parties, commitment to the belief that serious change is needed, open-mindedness, their being informed enough to understand why both candidates wouldn't improve their lives, etc. Obviously it would've been better for them not to hand Republicans control of the whole government, but voting third-party, writing in Bernie, etc doesn't suggest only bad things. actually it suggests the very self-centeredness that boomers are accused of. throwing vulnerable ppl under the bus to maintain your ideological purity bc you won't accept that politics is always going to be about compromises. altho ralph nader proves this is hardly unique to millennials. just frustrating that every generation has to see a crazy rear end in a top hat gently caress poo poo up firsthand before they take elections seriously
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Business Gorillas posted:Sanders WAS the compromise lol, looks like sometimes in life you need to make more than one compromise! our president thanks you for your principled stand tho
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Mr. Belding posted:Donald Trump needed to happen. I say this as a brocialist who voted for Hillary. The absolute wrecking of the democrats that is happening now is much needed chemotherapy that will hopefully destroy the cancer of centrist clintonism and obsessive idpol. And if it doesn't work then we all die. the same was said of gw bush 
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The Brown Menace posted:hey now, you gotta be slow with that kind of thing, i mean the dems havent even made one compromise yet lol, you're not compromising with "the dems" in the general election. you're compromising between the ideal and the realizable. the dems are compromising with voters in a country that elected donald loving trump just 8 years after the disaster of g w bush understand this basic fact: if a dem candidate loses a vote from a leftist, they lose a vote. if a dem loses a vote from a swing voter, they lose a vote and the republican gains a vote (typically). therefore the smart candidate will prioritize votes from centrists over votes from their own fringe base in a general election. this won't change under a 2 party system, and the 2 party system won't change under the system of voting enshrined in the US constitution. change has to happen within the party structure, and that's where we have our voice. bernie understood this-- he joined the democratic party to facilitate his run -- and he ran a really amazing campaign. he didn't win, but he sure as hell set the stage for next time around by proving how much support was out there for his politics. trump understood this, too. i know this is heresy, but a lot of poo poo that y'all take as evidence of democrats being corrupt and evil, i take as them judging a political situation and making what they believe is the best compromise available. they aren't necessarily right about the judgement-- sometimes they are frustratingly timid-- but that doesn't mean they're perfectly happy with what they got, either. (by the way, republicans compromise too, when they need to. so if you thought both parties were equally bad, but are at all surprised at how bad trump and the GOP is now with the presidency and congressional majorities, there's your explanation. just wait til they abolish the filibuster and have even more free reign!)
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Fullhouse posted:this arguably worked (politically, obviously the actual consequences of letting a bunch of fascist neocons run the government for most of a decade were pretty bad) because Democrats won overwhelmingly in 08 and if they had been actual progressives instead of corrupt technocrats we'd be much better off for it today hmm yes, the classical political strategy of "let your opponent win with a string of increasingly fascist crazy assholes", it never fails *proceeds to excuse the reason it failed last time, offers no ideas for preventing future failures* E: ill stop now, here's my offering of penitence  
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