Anime Schoolgirl posted:

honestly if you're a bernie supporter and turned coat for trump instead of not voting (understandable) or voting for retard stein or gary fucknuts you're about as smart as the people being made fun of in twitter screenshots here

H.P. Hovercraft posted:

found a black guy

https://twitter.com/Alvinclarke11/status/825789392274980864

https://twitter.com/Alvinclarke11/status/825838918859886592

Jedi Knight Luigi posted:

The kids in question live:
Northern Illinois
Denver area
Minneapolis area

Get ready for another generation of uncritical thinkers.

Dixie Cretin Seaman posted:

boomers normalized women's rights and relaxed the strict sexual mores of the 50s. they ended jim crow and oversaw vast (albeit incomplete) improvements in the cultural inclusivity of US society that are the bedrock for all of today's social justice movements.

Dixie Cretin Seaman posted:

actually it suggests the very self-centeredness that boomers are accused of. throwing vulnerable ppl under the bus to maintain your ideological purity bc you won't accept that politics is always going to be about compromises. altho ralph nader proves this is hardly unique to millennials. just frustrating that every generation has to see a crazy rear end in a top hat gently caress poo poo up firsthand before they take elections seriously

Dixie Cretin Seaman posted:

lol, you're not compromising with "the dems" in the general election. you're compromising between the ideal and the realizable. the dems are compromising with voters in a country that elected donald loving trump just 8 years after the disaster of g w bush

understand this basic fact: if a dem candidate loses a vote from a leftist, they lose a vote. if a dem loses a vote from a swing voter, they lose a vote and the republican gains a vote (typically). therefore the smart candidate will prioritize votes from centrists over votes from their own fringe base in a general election.

this won't change under a 2 party system, and the 2 party system won't change under the system of voting enshrined in the US constitution.

change has to happen within the party structure, and that's where we have our voice. bernie understood this-- he joined the democratic party to facilitate his run -- and he ran a really amazing campaign. he didn't win, but he sure as hell set the stage for next time around by proving how much support was out there for his politics. trump understood this, too.

i know this is heresy, but a lot of poo poo that y'all take as evidence of democrats being corrupt and evil, i take as them judging a political situation and making what they believe is the best compromise available. they aren't necessarily right about the judgement-- sometimes they are frustratingly timid-- but that doesn't mean they're perfectly happy with what they got, either.

(by the way, republicans compromise too, when they need to. so if you thought both parties were equally bad, but are at all surprised at how bad trump and the GOP is now with the presidency and congressional majorities, there's your explanation. just wait til they abolish the filibuster and have even more free reign!)

Epic High Five posted:

Like for real tho, post-millenials are coming up looking even more lovely than Boomers so we need to lock in some communism and make it permanent before they become a bloc, or maybe just overwhelm them entirely like the Boomers did with GenX

Maybe the coming economic holocaust will soften them a bit but I don't trust people to learn anymore

Hodgepodge posted:

lacking: evidence that there is a set of "leftist policies" which will produce this turnout.

as much as it was a failure of her campaign to actually talk about them as well, actual lefties didn't seem to give a crap that Clinton's policies were in fact in line with what the left claims to want in many respects

Hodgepodge posted:

a revealing critique of her policy to be sure

Hodgepodge posted:

i know it's a chore, but if you read the conversation from the start then you have a clue what its about and don't have to ask me to repeat myself

Dixie Cretin Seaman posted:

eh, the firebagger portion of the left would be equally thrilled to turn on a president sanders the moment he needs to compromise with centrists to get anything done. the cspam thread would be something like "post sad bernie cucks realizing that their socialist messiah sold them out"

also, leftie activism in the primaries of senate and house races is also really important to give any future dem president the votes to get their domestic agenda through congress. if the green party (for example) was serious about moving an agenda instead of grandstanding, it could stay out of the presidential races for now and focus hard on getting some seats in congress in deep blue states. build up party infrastructure and some dem allies, be like a pseudo-parliamentary coalition. eventually it might become strong enough to force the dems to either move left or be supplanted as the second major national party. but right now they're just someone's vanity project every 4 years

Alienwarehouse posted:

I don't understand how any working class voter who pulled the lever for Trump could ever vote for a republican again after reading the contents of that absurd GOP healthcare bill that just got thrown out. Not only did it allow insurance companies to literally throw you on the street to rot; the bill also cut near $900,000,000,000 in funds annually from loving Medicaid. This single-handedly gave the blue wall/Rustbelt back to the democrats. The unparalleled greed of the Freedom Caucus and Koch bros are in part to thank here.

Epic High Five posted:

I believe the term is "reciprocating" re: that naked contempt

SHY NUDIST GRRL posted:

Maybe they should direct that spite at the dick heads who funneled all the wealth away when they put them in office

Kurtofan posted:

i like the cut of their gib

HorseRenoir posted:

agreed, I'm talking about voters that show up to every election and vote R and you can't ever win those people over. dems can't fathom the idea that the voting pool can contract/expand and you don't siphon off votes from the other side like voters are a finite resource

Drunkboxer posted:

What if we grind them to paste and use them for fertilizer instead

Freaking Crumbum posted:

they're adults that made their own choices. gently caress em if they couldn't be bothered to consider the consequences of their actions, or to invest even a modicum of effort into researching the history of the guy they were considering. good loving lord, all these asshats were inundating every facebook feed and every email FWD:FWD:FWD with all kinds of MAGA horseshit, so I know they've somehow got internet access and the technical skill to use the internet.

oh but these poor babies were lied to/played for fools/should be absolved of their responsibility for their actions! if they're so dumb that they don't possess the critical thinking skills to be responsible for their own actions, why are they allowed to vote any-loving-way?

it can't be both; either they're adults that need to face the music of their own calamitous choices, or they all need to have their ability to manage their own affairs permanently revoked in the same way that any other incompetent adult has to give up their autonomy.

that'd actually be a platform i could support. "every one of you chucklefucks that are willing to acknowledge that you're barely smart enough to remember to breathe and to be permanently declared legally incompetent can have your obamacare and your food stamps and your paradoxical sense of entitlement returned. if you're too proud to accept the offer, then "

TWIST FIST posted:

the frame looks like a mirror but its not reflecting anything

Al! posted:

i can confirm that you can do both

HorseRenoir posted:

https://twitter.com/KStreetHipster/status/883545195169624066

Best Korea posted:

Does this count?

Philthy posted:

That is some party loyalty. I don't know where it comes from other than people are loving dumb as gently caress.

Epic High Five posted:

So many redcaps thought that this would be a stunning victory and everybody would tell them how great they are. The fact that the immediate aftermath was a massive outcry against his legitimacy and waves of protests and promises of political violence broke a lot of their loving brains and it was incredible to watch, they sincerely thought that how they acted under Obama would be forgiven and forgotten and people would just be okay with Trump winning despite losing after himself running one of the most hateful, divisive, partisan campaigns in history

Pollyanna posted:

what

explain why they're all completely convinced that they're winning then

Gringostar posted:

Lastgirl posted:

money will do that

Dixie Cretin Seaman posted:

(also, not every incrementalist democrat is lazy or crooked or whatever. a lot of them just don't try to push what they don't think can currently get passed. maybe they're correct and politically savvy; maybe they're just gutless and out of touch with today's voters, in which case you can prove them wrong! either way, those guys can still be helpful allies in a coalition)

Potato Salad posted:

I'm....still not convinced Vital Signs actually gets the Byrd rule and, separately, the filibuster. That's impressive, given that it is easily possible to see that it takes 60 loving votes to bring something new through the senate and the party that literally burned effigies of Obama were by their own admission (and proudly so) in lockstep against him since 2010 . All of this is veritable in the public record.

I do agree Obama could have thumped the bully pulpit against the GOP fucks doing lovely things for obviously lovely reaaons, but I do realize now that, were Obama not such a 100% class act gentleman and largely above the partisan game, the momentum to blindly repeal the ACA would have probably been enough totip the 50+1 vote Byrd threshold start and people would start dying needlessly next year.

e - please, please tell me I get to explain why two digit numbers starting with 4 or 5 are less than 60

Dixie Cretin Seaman posted:

i don't even know what you're on about here, i clearly said i was talking about democrats, and frankly i even left myself room to exclude some of the shittier ones

Dixie Cretin Seaman posted:

ok then, y'all seem pretty comfortable with incoherent rage and alternative facts so im just gunna move along. if you can send some more 3rd party socialists to congress that'd be great too. bernie had been a big asset to the senate caucus, and democrats are pretty open to working outside party and ideology to achieve practical results

Edit: none of this was directed at Epic High Five, who posted after i had read the thread

H.P. Hovercraft posted:

https://twitter.com/CHSkeleton/status/857833152953372672

he's more right than he knows

Epic High Five posted:

Cross posting from the Trump thread because now all vegetable eaters are included as people owned by Trump



https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3824002&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=5191#post475222387

Epic High Five posted:

You've never had to tell someone in a rural restaurant that it's 10 cents to add tomato to their burger I see

Potato Salad posted:

I'm wondering what kind of sock puppets you've encountered, because I've only ever met liberals who want to make sure at absolute minimum that social programs and education are adequately funded and that ensuring corporations and the rich pay their fair share.

Potato Salad posted:

That is correct.

Potato Salad posted:

*crickets*

Potato Salad posted:

What are your thoughts on putting the GOP to the wall if it meant your family got affordable and subsidized healthcare regardless of what some lovely state legislature wanted to intentionally hamstring?