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Saying you're considering voting for a Republican is a very reliable way to get Dems to listen to what you have to say, and is a good tactic if you can frame redistributive policies in ways that avoid the big red flag words for chuds and libs I mean what's voting for them loyally and without demand gotten anybody? Worst case scenario of voting GOP is you have exactly as much access to the administration if you're at socialist lol edit - most critically you only have to say it, how you actually vote is entirely irrelevant, do it or don't it doesn't matter
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Holy poo poo shut the gently caress up about AOC and M4A votes and poo poo in this thread, there's like 3 succ zones now take one of those over. I'll kill this thread before it becomes the new home of tedious circular Dore fights
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gimme the GOD drat candy posted:i'm guessing that 'flourishing' city had a bunch of protests against police brutality last year. I think you mean an outbreak of innocent, misled activists being fooled by white insurrectionists who just want to make sensible reforms on a status quo protecting timeline seem unpopular!
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Feb 12, 2021 00:38
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Fame Douglas posted:Why exactly does Joe Manchin, senator of one of the poorest states in the union, think his constituents don't want free money? I really don't get his opposition/reluctance at all. It doesn't seem like he's getting some bribes for West Virginia out of this. not only this, but he is insisting on creating a bloc of voters millions strong that would've gotten two checks under Trump but zero under Biden, even though the pitch for 1400 is that it's fulfilling the 2k promise lol he's pursuing this and the Dem loyalists are defending it because they are born losers with poo poo for brains when it comes to anything politically that isn't attacking their left If we're extremely lucky it will only be the 15/hr wage increase that gets tossed in the dumpster to get Republican support, only for them to not vote for it anyway
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vyelkin posted:Manchin doesn't want the $15/hr minimum wage either so that's already off the table lmao "Look, if it isn't him it'll be a Republican who votes for 0% of good things instead of 1%!" I say, regarding a seat that has been held by a Democrat for decades and decades and the sample size of Dem Senators pushing for progressive things in WV and being punished as a result is exactly 0 We really need one of the left leaning Senators to go rogue like Manchin from the other direction, I bet leadership would suddenly find some tools in their toolkit to deal with people trying to tank their legislation then
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Terror Sweat posted:Idpol has been a massive success in respect to destroying class consciousness
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Feb 13, 2021 01:39
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There's a lot of arguing to be done about the role and potential ideological activation of the lumpen, but a simple glance at the scoreboard would show that Team Mao has a decisive lead
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Feb 13, 2021 18:36
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Alpha 1 posted:Biden voters desperately trying to convince themselves they aren't going to die under Biden incredible
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Feb 13, 2021 23:42
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Boston is how it is because the Bostonian accent is stupid as hell and they spend all their time trying to Ork hivemind it into actually being cool and as a result have driven themselves insane. It's how they end up liking Dropkick more than Flogging Molly and root for son mouthkissers and convince themselves that the Red Sox aren't just the Yankees nowBrutalistMcDonalds posted:i get how liberals co-opt legitimate struggles into meaningless paper reforms, but the language here and negative connotations of "idpol" tends to obscure real problems to dismiss them as worth concern. are racial justice struggles idpol? or is there a good kind of idpol and a bad kind of idpol? that's why i don't think this unclear, vague, highly politicized jargon language is helpful. It's very much one of those subjects where I am happy to have very serious discussions with other leftists, as it's not like it is entirely groundless, but I'd rather chew my own arm off than discuss it with a liberal because it's just going to be a matter of minutes until they hint that I'm an ignorant racist for implying corporate diversity isn't going to solve anything or something similar and they will staunchly refuse to engage in anything economic nor allow themselves to consider anything as "acceptable" that is not already or soon to be captured by the party and turned into a fundraising apparatus I'm not sure how your example qualifies as something that is more or less strictly an idpol issue, it's an enormously political one as well as you mentioned when you brought up the shadow of Jim Crow hanging over everything. My conception of it is based around the Combahee Collective's writings on the subject, on account of them creating the term, and there is a reason they have been purged from all modern discussion of the subject
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there is a very good reason why the only successful leftist movements in history have been the ones who treat liberals identically to cops and chuds. They are not your ally, their ideology and worldview is fundamentally incoherent and wildly and violently oppositional to anything even approaching real comprehensive justice. To seriously consider their opinion on one of their most powerful tools to undermine and destroy you would be like putting Comey in a position of power within your movementCoolness Averted posted:Half the number we expect because he'll eventually vaccinate them, classified staff like custodial or aides are all gonna die This pushing of fake news about COVID is a dangerous game friend, the CDC and Biden administration in adition to every single state-level Dem party have all stated quite plainly that vaccines are 100% not necessary for safely returning to schools. Why would someone who believes that work to ensure teachers and staff got them quickly?
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Feb 15, 2021 03:16
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One of my favorite things that popped up almost daily throughout the protests was when some piece of the Dem agitprop network or well-regarded NGO head or blue check would wokely call for the protests to be segregated by race with a strong implication that non-white participants were simply incapable of doing the hard work of ensuring the protests never veered from approved party messaging lol of course these unpopular mandates were never followed, which is why the party and it's apparatus ended up condemning the protests and support for them fell like 20 points overnight because liberals are hogs who every day have their ideology reborn into whatever form their betters dictate
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Feb 15, 2021 16:59
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stellers bae posted:When did the party/apparatus condemn the protests? Didn't Kamala post about contributing to bail funds When they started both sidesing everything and chaining the protests to the most ultimate sin in the world of liberal politics - property damage throughout the whole thing they could be relied upon absolutely to condemn any aspect of the protests that extended beyond NGO boardrooms or made demands that exceeded syrup bottle redesigns or streets being renamed
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Chillgamesh posted:There was definitely a ton of grumbling from democratic politicians about how "defund the police" was a drag on their campaigns. You don't need to be a dog to hear the pitch of that whistle. if by "grumbling" you mean "a big caucus of moderates and center right politicians used their caucus losing seats in the election as an excuse to blame the movement for literally everything that has gone wrong ever" lol for whatever reason nobody actually thought to check how the campaigns that ran on it explicitly did tho
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