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Orlando DSA here, it's invigorating! Next meeting is Monday February 13. There's a group in Ocala too if that's more your area
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MShadowy posted:I am an anime; alas.
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Feb 11, 2017 02:49
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Orlando DSA executive committee recently asked the Knights for Socialism anti-fash boxing dude to withdraw from the race for Vice President. I'm voting for his opponent but I still think that's bullshit. e: There was a big stink in part because they did it publicly on Facebook, speaking as the official DSA Orlando page.
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Feb 11, 2017 19:37
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Phi230 posted:omg more orlando DSA goons "Tankie" is something that only matters on the internet right now and wont matter for many years unless we are extraordinarily lucky. If anything the old DSA tradition is too anti Communist, probably born from the defeats of the 80s and 90s. That kind of timidity is no longer rational. That said, this dude is much better as a provocateur than as a bureaucrat. I'm excited by what he does but dont want to have to waste time apologizing for him.
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Feb 11, 2017 23:36
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Oh Hell No posted:Oh, sweet, I finally found the FB pages for a couple Florida chapters that aren't listed on the DSA site. There are unreasonably few Florida branches right now, this is very encouraging. Tampa has a lot of interested people but I don't know if they have an official organizing committee yet.
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Feb 12, 2017 01:45
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no more books posted:I read a post that said their meeting was very well run. What makes for a well run meeting, in everyone's opinion? Respect people's time! Start promptly. Stick to a clear agenda and publish the agenda beforehand. If someone starts on a long rant, invite them to start a committee for working on the issue. Go out for drinks after
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Feb 12, 2017 04:05
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Venom Snake posted:More Orlando news lmao The good poo poo starts at 8:38 ahahhaah
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Feb 13, 2017 00:18
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guys what if Trump offers us socialism, but in exchange roe v wade had to be overturned???
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Feb 15, 2017 03:56
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SomeMathGuy posted:(real talk does anyone right of Trotsky even know what "praxis" is?). it's how socialists spell "practice"
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Mar 16, 2017 23:41
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Dsa-backed candidate khalid kamau just got got a 43% plurality in the Fulton, Georgia city council race. He goes to a runoff April 18th.
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Mar 22, 2017 08:05
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A fellow goon is trying to get into the slack chat. Is there a link I can send them?
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Mar 23, 2017 07:06
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ChickenOfTomorrow posted:The slack is deprecated, its rocket chat now.
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Mar 24, 2017 23:20
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Bulgogi Hoagie posted:also "going international" usually always involves chatting poo poo about the israel palestine thing, siding with palestine, yelling really loudly about how important palestine is, and then slowly sliding back into the obscurity of student politics as you fail to focus on anything but palestine, which is not really what i want to happen to dsa If internationalism leads to single-issue obsessions we need to find a way around that, because socialism without internationalism is really dumb.
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May 9, 2017 20:01
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Shear Modulus posted:if any sort of outside media wanted to report on this, what would be the one part that they pick out of the rest of the platform and focus all their attention on? the line on israel/palestine is the most closely policed item in the mainstream discourse. it could be the part of the platform that gets put under a microscope whether we like it or not In fact, if criticizing Israel is the most controversial thing we stand for that's an indictment of the vagueness or cowardice of our stated goals. platzapS has issued a correction as of 20:56 on May 9, 2017 |
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May 9, 2017 20:47
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Agean90 posted:it's true, tbh im pretty much gonna shrug at any international call for action since id rather focus on making the place I'm at nicer Yeah but then why have a national organization? Why not just be completely locally-focused? I'm not saying we're responsible to solve the world's problems by declarations, I'm saying it's probably in our interests to try to coordinate with people in other countries more. I might have got carried away. platzapS has issued a correction as of 21:37 on May 9, 2017 |
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May 9, 2017 21:33
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Socialism is an international movement to liberate the entire species. The US of all places is not going to be socialized (that is, fully democratized) without a lot of the rest of the world going with it. That suggests to me we should start building international ties today. It could be small things right now. Maybe a Tanzanian org could tell us about a trade bill that would devastate African farmers and we could lobby against it. Maybe an Indonesian union could alert Seattle and LA to a container ship full of scab goods. Climate change would be perfect for collaboration, as would migrant issues. I may be fighting phantoms here. If this is already being done let me know how to get involved.
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May 9, 2017 22:05
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This is not to deny that most of our immediate work will be local or national because that's what we best understand and can most affect right now.
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May 10, 2017 23:23
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Ruzihm posted:Does national provide for rooms or anything for the national convention? I think an Orthodox church hosted people at the last convention, but got angry over the drinking.
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May 23, 2017 18:57
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Socialist International had Mubarak's party in Egypt until 2011.
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Jul 14, 2017 07:44
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I'm in a small southern chapter and I really don't care what state an organizer comes from if they can help us. Why would I?
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Jul 28, 2017 00:33
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"Workers of the world unite...but don't trust city-slickers."
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Jul 28, 2017 00:34
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Zikan posted:can someone tell me what the difference between praxis and momentum is besides momentum's call for a national single payer campaign and praxis's call for police/jail reform There's a lot of overlap--both want to leave the Socialist International, support BDS, enact (optional) monthly dues to pay for national organizers, and break with the Harringtonite old guard in favor of more open Marxism. So it's largely a question of different emphasis. Momentum comes out of Jacobin/left caucus, which back in 2010 was truly on the left of DSA but now seems to represent the center thanks to a general radical shift. One of their focuses is on internal constitutional reforms like eliminating honorary chairs, expanding the NPC, and making the org more transparent and democratic for all members (they are behind the Spring Platform). Praxis focuses on base-building, as in growing a mass party of formerly apolitical people through tenants' unions, worker centers, free breakfast programs, free English classes for immigrants, etc. Praxis is somewhat less interested in immediately running candidates and a bit more openly anti-imperialist than Momentum. I'm going mostly from memory and subjective impressions here so correct me if I misrepresented/missed something big. Personally I like them both and will probably vote for some combination of the two. platzapS has issued a correction as of 19:10 on Jul 28, 2017 |
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Jul 28, 2017 18:50
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SSJ_naruto_2003 posted:Is there a posadist slate running because I can get behind that Yes.
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Jul 28, 2017 19:18
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E: let me think this over
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Aug 1, 2017 17:03
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Ohh if it's just a soviet joke nevermind.
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Aug 1, 2017 17:08
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I was more worried about hard-decentralizing instincts like this:Larry Parrish posted:The only thing national should be doing in my book is hiring policy wonks to write laws for potential leftist candidates and organize the convention. I think there are certain responsibilities that the national org is better capable of handling, including -Redustribution of internal resources from big established locals to smaller new ones -Being the court of last resort for member grievances -Being the voice of the org when interacting with non-US groups -Coordinating (voluntary) national campaigns/days of action platzapS has issued a correction as of 17:16 on Aug 1, 2017 |
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Aug 1, 2017 17:13
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SomeMathGuy posted:So the thing about resource redistribution is it's good as hell in theory but in practice the more centralist slate is pushing the less redistributive kickback plan - that is, Momentum wants a fixed percentage of dues to go back to locals, whereas Praxis has a progressive breakdown with smaller locals receiving a larger percentage of dues from corresponding regions. Mind you, both of them proposing any sort of funding return to locals at all is progress. In other news I am reading about the after-hours events in Chicago and worried that teetotalers are going to have outsized influence on the next days' debates.
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Aug 1, 2017 17:28
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ChickenOfTomorrow posted:this group of NPC candidates that are affiliated with the LibSoc caucus is not a slate! (Good luck  )
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Aug 2, 2017 05:07
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e: actually, nvm
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Aug 2, 2017 22:22
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Grimoire posted:Practice, but with an X so you feel smart.
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Aug 8, 2017 03:15
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Hot takes incoming: 1) Police and prisons will probably be necessary under socialism for a long while, because the abolition of private property doesn't mean sociopaths no longer exist or that there won't be violent reaction against a socialist state. 2) We can probably get rid of 90+% of prisons though. 3) Cops in their current incarnation are our opponents. This isn't because every one of them has a depraved heart, but because the function of police under capitalism is to defend the rich and control the poor. Every movement for revolution or even reform (like the civil rights movement in the US) was opposed by cops because cops serve at the pleasure of the ruling class. If the poo poo hits the fan, a cop who sides with us will quickly find themselves no longer a cop. 4) This doesn't apply to all soldiers; reading about October 1917 actually softened my previous edgelord gently caress-the-troops stance. But cops are always against revolution. Again, this is because of their function and not their evil cop essence or whatever. 5) Cops should not be allowed in our org because it will scare away much more valuable constituencies, like poor black people and undocumented immigrants. 6) R.L. Stephens owns (collectively).
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Aug 10, 2017 03:13
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platzapS posted:Hot takes incoming: 7) None of these points is directly relevant to Fetonte, because the main complaint against him is that he omitted relevant history, not that he was irrevocably tainted by sin. (Although I personally hope he resigns)
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Aug 10, 2017 03:26
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Orlando DSA Statement on the issuequote:We, the undersigned, call on Danny Fetonte to resign from the National Political Committee for omitting his past work with the police union CLEAT from his candidate platform. As the police under capitalism exist to protect the rich, control the poor, and maintain white supremacy, many delegates would have voted differently had this information been disclosed.
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Aug 10, 2017 03:39
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I wanna welcome Berniecrats/social democrats to DSA. This article started to make me think social democracy is not workable long-term, though. If you don't destroy the capitalist class they will fight you forever.
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Aug 10, 2017 03:56
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R. Guyovich posted:the ghost of lenin descends to tell you bourgeois democracy is no way to destroy the capitalist class I'm agreeing with you!
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Aug 10, 2017 05:49
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TrilliontonNixon posted:This whole thing sucks. If this is the worst thing to come out of DSACon we're doing pretty well. The issue seems huge now, and we should take it seriously. But on the scale that matters--the scale of class struggle across centuries--this will be a forgotten blip. Keep hope comrade
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Aug 11, 2017 05:29
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e: wait
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Aug 11, 2017 08:05
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Minty posted:breaking from the democratic party was voted down What was up with this by the way? From what I understand there were a couple chances for a break and we rejected them all: -Bernie 2020 Third Party Resolution (which rightfully went down after it was pointed out Bernie himself doesn't want to run third party), but also -Resolution that said an independent socialist party should be the long term goal. I think this was tabled for further research into its legal implications but it was surprising how few seemed to support it. And finally, -A rather mild and factual statement to be added to the priorities resolution that the Democrats are our competitors, which was voted down. What gives?
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platzapS posted:[why didn't we break with Democrats?] R. Guyovich posted:either the dsa isn't radical enough for you right now and they will be later, or they will never be. up to you whether you wanna stick it out imo Oh I'm in this poo poo for the long haul, it just seemed incongruent with the overwhelming support for (IMO) more radical stuff like prison abolition, leaving the SI, and endorsing BDS. I feel very strongly that the Democratic Socialists of America should not endorse capitalist politicians on any level, regardless of how cool they are. By all means vote for them/campaign for them on a private basis, but to endorse a non-socialist is to confuse new members and the public as to what socialism is. It also reduces our leverage in the future, because politicians who want our endorsement will be less likely to come out as socialists if they can get our endorsement without doing so. platzapS has issued a correction as of 19:42 on Aug 11, 2017 |
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DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:I am ok with the DSA 1) being a multi tendency organization and 2) not centering the most radical tendencies, both as a tactical consideration and simply because by definition the more moderate (within the context of the org) tendencies have broader support.
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