Ace of Baes posted:

https://twitter.com/nifkinjuice/status/824279903843520514

OhFunny posted:

https://twitter.com/GideonResnick/status/883767262091636736

DSA members among counter-protesters of the KKK rally held in Charlottesville today.

an actual dog posted:

I do not understand what the major differences are between momentum and praxis

Autism Sneaks posted:

Watching the DSA reinvent the wheel a dozen times as they grow over the next few years is going to be a fun thread sport

safely sodomized posted:

#dsacon15

Phi230 posted:

The fact that a cop or cop sympathizer got elected is being exploited by other groups already as yall being fake socialists

Good jorb

Crowsbeak posted:

She's right. Look you need allies in the echelons of power.

jarofpiss posted:

like yeah they guy that wasnt open about doing work with police union should probably step down.

more concerning to me is that people with bad intentions for the dsa are setting bait and we are eating it up

Dirk Pitt posted:

I must be in the minority on the cop organizer. workers need to organize, even if they are cops. seems needless to eat ourselves over this.

Ace of Baes posted:

everyone is the same and states are just stupid lovely made up lines you dumbasses

Cnidaria posted:

Cops only exist to protect private property and the bourgeoisie so they have no place in any socialists organisation. Remember that the police are never there to help you.

TrilliontonNixon posted:

When we have socialism our bonds of solidarity will be so strong that we will no longer have need of phones or verbal communication.

Internet Explorer posted:

Seriously. Okay grandpa.

Shear Modulus posted:

the liberals and democrats refuse to grant every human being the unlimited texting and data that we deserve. they fetishize "efficiency" and the shuttering of data centers our overlords have deemed "redundant"

humanity will not be hung on a cross of bandwidth maximums

Agnosticnixie posted:

If someone in the socialist utopia stole from me I'd probably just want to know why instead of asking for one and then maybe try to arbitrate the whole thing, but that's kind of immaterial imo.

Then again there isn't really stuff I own that I feel is worth ruining someone's life over.

Annual Prophet posted:

you just have to read settlers, over and over

R. Guyovich posted:

it's worth defending the things we like in them. blanket dismissing the history of actually existing socialism leaves us with no positive politics besides some weaksauce social democracies

Internet Explorer posted:

This is a lot better take than "there will be no police because they will be no want."

If people want to debate the meaning of police and say that's a relatively new thing, I guess go right at it. But there's always been some form of law enforcement, unless we're going back to huts or something.

Agnosticnixie posted:

Yes, this is very clever and hasn't been discussed for the past 10 pages even from an libcom perspective.

The vast majority of crime is either victimless or against property; "there will still be some sort of enforcement or mediation therefore checkmate abolitionist" is an uninteresting response that is built on trying to pretend the postrevolutionary world should look like capitalism except nicer, including in its structures.

Business Gorillas posted:

*looks at how every leftist group in the past 50 years has self-segregated into irrelevance*

have we considered... purging our membership of people that aren't committed enough to class warfare?

Minty posted:

good thing, when it came up, Praxis had a huge list of concrete suggestions to back it up with I'm sure you've read

Minty posted:

"if you just read the proposal you were voting on"

Minty posted:

you are seeing a now adopted DSA goal which was voted on at the convention, based on material published for the convention, and refusing to get past your knee jerk reaction to it to understand what it says

quote:

Additionally, we must connect to anti-racist groups both internally and beyond DSA to explore nationally-backed local campaigns for:

Unarmed mediation and intervention training for street harassment, partner violence, gang violence, and mental health crises — potentially modeled after groups like Cure Violence and Ceasefire

Decriminalization of most nonviolent crime. It is often petty offenses, such as traffic violations or other low risk infractions that pull poor people into the orbit of the prison system. Criminalizing these types of petty offenses is also a significant source of revenue for some cities, particularly those with strong Black populations such as Ferguson. Decriminalization is the only surefire way to stop this exploitation and racism.

Restorative justice models rather than prison sentences

Community patrol and copwatch trainings

Raskolnikov38 posted:

Minty posted:

the democratic party

Ace of Baes posted:

you god damned bootlickers sicken me

an actual dog posted:

apparently the facebook new members group has been a huge shitshow. we really shouldn't use it as a discussion platform, it's probably best just for publicity.

SSJ_naruto_2003 posted:

guy literally doesn't mention he used to work for/with cops when he's being elected to a leadership position in a socialist organization whose members talk about abolishing the police

"haha i didn't realize it would matter guys! haha funny sorry guys wont happen again haha"

Venom Snake posted:

He worked for an organization that also organizes EMT's, and other LEO's. I'm more than willing to overlook any purity bullshit because of the value having an experienced union organizer adds.

EDIT: We have also discussed it to death that the police abolition platform is a reform platform.

Slanderer posted:

suspicious of what, friend

BadOptics posted:

lmao. It's the 21st century dude, if the alphabet agencies/major parties really gave two shits about the DSA they'd just ask Facebook (noted ally of socialist movements) for all the data they've collected.

R. Mute posted:

this fetonte guy's really playing the long con, isn't he

R. Mute posted:

you're accusing someone who's spent his entire life as a union organizer of being a cop and infiltrating the dsa to bring it down from within or something? all casual, like. like that's a normal thing to do.

it's extremely hosed up, my dude. socialism is about solidarity, not about whatever this is.

Agean90 posted:

infiltrators of the canadian regime itt

R. Mute posted:

maybe stow away the pitchfork for just a second.