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Terrorist Fistbump
Jan 29, 2009

by Nyc_Tattoo

E-Money posted:

I'm in Brooklyn. I'm an attorney but not currently practicing. In law school i was involved with working on low income tenant issues, but haven't touched it in years. Right now it feels like mounting and supporting opposition to everything that's happening right now (as it arises) is more important than a particular niche sub-issue but if there are existing sub-groups doing good things, I wouldn't be opposed to getting involved.

My wife and I have 3.5 month old twins so making time is pretty tough right now. We're going to have to be very strategic about our time and what we can do. And she's a practicing public defender so her time is a hell of a lot more useful than mine is right now.

That said, need to start somewhere, doing something.

The housing working group has a meeting next Monday that I'll be attending. I'm not yet a DSA member but am very interested in finding out what they're doing as an org on this issue. Maybe I'll see you there!

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Terrorist Fistbump
Jan 29, 2009

by Nyc_Tattoo
The only interesting parts of lacanian theory can be found in Zizek's Pervert's Guides. Actually reading the stuff will make your brain soft.

Terrorist Fistbump
Jan 29, 2009

by Nyc_Tattoo

empireofcrime posted:

A proper statement about Fetonte from the Libertarian Socialist Caucus: http://www.dsa-lsc.org/news/2017/08/08/statement-on-election.html

Nailed it, good work LSC

Terrorist Fistbump
Jan 29, 2009

by Nyc_Tattoo

bump_fn posted:

what is a libertarian socialist

An anarchist who's worked through their teenage angst and read a book or two.

Terrorist Fistbump
Jan 29, 2009

by Nyc_Tattoo

ThndrShk2k posted:

If you want a Marxist approach am I to assume I was misinformed in my earlier search regarding this subject?
The article that twitter guy was making GBS threads on is a very accessible explanation of why police unions ought to be opposed by anyone who calls themselves a socialist. Here's another one. I'm all for cops joining the movement after they've left the force, and I don't think being a former cop or a former cop union organizer automatically disqualifies anyone from leadership, but let's at least recognize police unions as they exist right now for the vile, regressive organizations that they are.

Terrorist Fistbump
Jan 29, 2009

by Nyc_Tattoo

ThndrShk2k posted:

Should we accept how they are or influence change?

You're free to give it a try, but I can't think of a bigger waste of time.

Terrorist Fistbump
Jan 29, 2009

by Nyc_Tattoo

Professor Bling posted:

Yeah see this is what I was hoping to hear but I guess "no national platform" is better than "NYC and SF said no so no guns"

Im from NYC and I say arm them all!

Terrorist Fistbump
Jan 29, 2009

by Nyc_Tattoo

Vhak lord of hate posted:

i love going to dsa sf meeting that is packed with people interested in socialism after last weekend and spend half of it with the same 4 anarchists arguing about bylaws and rules that have been arguing about bylaws and rules for the entire existence of dsa sf and seeing people's interest slowly die after the tenth time a man with a pony tail whips out his masterful grasp of roberts rules of order.

extra glad that we had to extend the meeting past the scheduled end point because two dipshits put forward two extremely poorly thought out bylaws that both didn't pass. aand even then did we get to organization? events? announcements? nope! sf general meetings are such a loving poo poo show, is this the same for every branch?

All the Brooklyn meetings I've been to have been really well-run. The facilitators are pros who aren't afraid to shut down folks who abuse the speaking guidelines. In general, they're a mix of progressive stack, step-up/step-back, make a quick point, no comments during Q&A's, and no stupid pedantry or irrelevant bullshit. Most of the discussions happen in breakout groups or at working group meetings anyway, it's not like a significant portion of general meetings is spent in open discussion.

I guess this is harder if you're still trying to nail down bylaws, good luck with figuring that out.

Terrorist Fistbump
Jan 29, 2009

by Nyc_Tattoo

This really isn't helping anything, you know.

Terrorist Fistbump
Jan 29, 2009

by Nyc_Tattoo
Hope our comrades in ATX can nip this burgeoning cult of personality in the bud.

Terrorist Fistbump
Jan 29, 2009

by Nyc_Tattoo

long-rear end nips Diane posted:

My first DSA meeting ever was last night's Austin meeting.

I joined and I'm gonna go back but this suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuucks

I just listened to the audio that was posted earlier and jesus christ no one should be subjected to that kind of ego trip at their first meeting

my condolences and i hope you stick with it

Terrorist Fistbump
Jan 29, 2009

by Nyc_Tattoo
Love too give socdems a platform to punch left against the newly-energized radical currents within the DSA.

Terrorist Fistbump
Jan 29, 2009

by Nyc_Tattoo

GoluboiOgon posted:

Mind if I ask a question about police abolition? When I hear the term, the first thing i think of is Paul Bremer firing all of the Baathist police and officers in Iraq, and how many of the fired Baathists joined ISIS. Obviously the current police system is terrible and must be changed, but I fear that completely eliminating the police will lead to a large pool of unemployed racists used to abusing authority, and create some sort of Freikorps/Klan hybrid. The stated goals in the DSA platform all involve police/criminal justice reforms (and are great), but is police abolition even possible?

Bremer was a loving idiot and it's easy to avoid making his mistakes.

It's conceivable that most rank-and-file police will be incorporated into the new not-police organization after some retraining. The cops who won't are chiefs, commanders, supervisors, sergeants -- anyone who set or enforced the organizational priorities of the police as it exists today. Those positions would be filled by trusted comrades with a commitment to good "policing" practices and authentic justice. The whole organization would be working with a new mandate, a new rulebook, and a clean slate of institutional practices. Call it reform if you really want to, but you're looking at a fundamentally different institution when all is said and done.

Terrorist Fistbump
Jan 29, 2009

by Nyc_Tattoo

Stop posting soft-brained Trot bullshit itt

Terrorist Fistbump
Jan 29, 2009

by Nyc_Tattoo

Venom Snake posted:

I get that (Iv been trying to read up on the Russian civil war post 1917) but why do they dislike anarchists? or atleast what is their "stated" reason for disliking them

"Most" socialists think anarchists have a bad analysis of capitalism and a bad vision of how to transition to communism. Anarchists generally want to skip socialism as a transitional stage between communism and capitalism by immediately abolishing the state as part of the revolution, and don't want social institutions that even remotely resemble the state under communism. To "most" socialists this is unworkable nonsense that would make the revolution very easy to defeat, and make a society where socialist values can be implemented virtually impossible -- how can you coordinate distribution of resources over an entire country if everything is so localized and voluntary? So basically, striving for anarchists' vision of society (at least in the short- and medium-term) is a big waste of time to "most" socialists

Go the opposite direction to figure out why anarchists don't like "most" socialists

This is an extremely broad-strokes description but should give you some insight at least. Imo the distinction is pretty meaningless while the left is so weak

Terrorist Fistbump
Jan 29, 2009

by Nyc_Tattoo
If perfidy is your idea of a revolution, swell. It ain't mine.

Terrorist Fistbump
Jan 29, 2009

by Nyc_Tattoo
Now to ponder whether I should kill mom or not.

Terrorist Fistbump
Jan 29, 2009

by Nyc_Tattoo

Vhak lord of hate posted:

EVERY MORNING I WAKE UP AND OPEN FACE SLAM MY FOREHEAD INTO A BILLY CLUB. IT'S THE MONTHLY AUSTIN DSA MEETING AND RIGHT THEN AND THERE I START DOING THE MOVES ALONGSIDE WITH THE MAIN CHARACTER, DANNY FETONTE. I CALL EVERY MOTION AND I CALL EVERY MOTION HARD. MAKING WOOSHING SOUNDS WHEN I SLAM DOWN SOME INTERNET KNOW IT ALLS OR EVEN WHEN I MESS UP STACK. NOT MANY CAN SAY THEY'VE SURVIVED A MALFEASANCE VOTE. I CAN. I SAY IT AND I SAY IT OUT LOUD EVERY MONTH TO PEOPLE TRAPPED IN THE MEETING HALL WITH ME AND ALL THEY DO IS PROVE THAT SOCIALISTS CAN STILL BE INTERNET BULLIES. AND IVE LEARNED ALL THE BYLAWS AND IVE LEARNED HOW TO MAKE MYSELF AND MY LOCAL CHAPTER LESS LONELY BY SHOUTING EM ALL. 2 HOURS INCLUDING ANNOUNCEMENTS EVERY MONth.

Terrorist Fistbump
Jan 29, 2009

by Nyc_Tattoo
new comrades! read the abc's of socialism to start de-liberalizing your brain.

and if you never read another book, that's okay!

Terrorist Fistbump
Jan 29, 2009

by Nyc_Tattoo

Larry Parrish posted:

I don't think police reform will work either I just don't think we should call police reform abolition

I agree, when we say abolition we should mean abolition. otherwise it looks like an edgy publicity stunt

Terrorist Fistbump
Jan 29, 2009

by Nyc_Tattoo

ThndrShk2k posted:

When you work at something for years, really taking the time to master it, you expect a little bit of recognition. So that’s why what’s happening right now in the NPC is really getting under my skin: I am sick of busting my rear end doing Socialist Union stuff only to have masked Twitter dipshits swoop in and get credit as the real Socialists.

Let me break down just how unjust this is. Me and my friends have worked hard for years to promote racial equality, socialism, and police reform. We’ve researched lawmakers. We’ve scorned the state. We’ve defended queers in the light of day. And yet, these Twitter dorks, many of whom aren’t even loving in unions, break a few memes on the internet and get called socialists by as many, if not more, people online as we do?

Un-loving-believable!

These Socialist momma’s boys bought anonymity and stock images from whatever social forum they post on. I, a real, self-respecting socialist spent the last 15 years painstakingly putting together a historically accurate Stalin uniform that I wear whenever I participate in any and all activities meant to usher in the glory of socialism. So you can see how hurt I am when I see a thinkpiece or news commentator calling these meme-wearing dickweeds the real socialists. It’s discounting decades of preparation and thousands of dollars I have invested into openly identifying as a worker of the people who pushes for democratic socialism as a conduit for ensuring the equality of all.

I even bought all the socialist medals on the internet. Do you know how hard those are to find?

Yes, both of our actions sometimes result in organization damage, but these Twitter jerk-offs are trying to prevent the very age of equality we aim to create. These clowns couldn’t tell the difference between the DSA Rose and a Twitter emoji. So the next time you’re labeling a group of people as socialists, try to be a little more sensitive and give credit to the people who have earned that title.

Terrorist Fistbump
Jan 29, 2009

by Nyc_Tattoo
Must be extremely fun and rewarding to be a member of the Professional Online High Schooler Caucus

Terrorist Fistbump
Jan 29, 2009

by Nyc_Tattoo
"Crime" = insider trading, securities fraud, corporate looting, crashing the economy, busting unions etc etc

Terrorist Fistbump
Jan 29, 2009

by Nyc_Tattoo

Waiting patiently to hear more about any of these lil nuggets of criticism

Terrorist Fistbump
Jan 29, 2009

by Nyc_Tattoo

A Typical Goon posted:

you certainly do seem to have a lot of opinions on the politics ideology of DSA members, an organization that you readily admit to not being a member of, who's meetings you admit to have not attended...

The DSA isn't a secret society whose members are sworn to silence about its activities on pain of death

Terrorist Fistbump
Jan 29, 2009

by Nyc_Tattoo
Read Marx's Critique of the Gotha Program. It's a powerful repudiation of the kind of sloppy thinking that leads socialists to see liberal institutions as the basis for change. There's more to it, of course, but that aspect is the most relevant for DSA members. 35 pages including supplemental material and can be read in half an hour.

Terrorist Fistbump
Jan 29, 2009

by Nyc_Tattoo

Huragok posted:

A number of chapters just got blasted with this gem:
lol

Amazon.com posted:

Atheism Unraveled
Paperback – October 3, 2016
by Matthew Cserhati PhD (Author)

This book is about proofs belonging to several categories proving the existence of God from philosophy, science, morality, experience, and history. A useful tool for anyone studying apologetics.

About the Author

Matthew Cserhati grew up in Maryland and lived in Hungary for eighteen years where he received a PhD in molecular biology and a BSc in computer science. He is an active member of the Creation Research Society and lives in San Antonio, Texas, where he works as a bioinformatics programmer. He has been a Christian since 1998.

Terrorist Fistbump
Jan 29, 2009

by Nyc_Tattoo

100 HOGS AGREE posted:

Your average person getting into the dsa today would probably be better served by reading bell hooks than Marx, honestly.

Sell me on this please

Terrorist Fistbump
Jan 29, 2009

by Nyc_Tattoo

100 HOGS AGREE posted:

I'm not a smart dude by any means but I found Feminism is for Everyone to be a really accessible introduction to basic feminist theory when i was much younger and only had a vague notion of how i thought things were wrong.

she writes extensively about the intersection of race, gender, class and capitalism and explicitly has several books she wrote to be accessible to people who don't fuckin know what feminism actually is. she also acknowledges there's a variety of systemic oppressors in society and our ills can't be attributed to any one.

look back at 2016, a common complaint about Bernie (that honestly wasn't without merit) was he was pretty much all about economic solutions and didn't really have as nearly nuanced answers for poo poo like the oppression of minorities, social justice reform, and poo poo like that. like, its a legit issue that you can't just hammer on the econ stuff because there are a lot of people in our country that feel like they have much more pressing issues they're dealing with. it can make you seem out of touch, especially for minorities who are super skeptical that any economic reform will benefit them as historically, it has not.

besides, it's good to get some diversity in your reading material aside from all the dead white europeans anyway.

I think it's a fair assumption that most people joining are libs and are already somewhat conversant in feminism and intersectionality. What they don't understand at all is what socialism is and how it differs from New Deal Keynesian stuff, let alone the history of the movement beyond DSA since 2015. (If they do, no need to read introductory texts, right?) Does hooks ever write from an explicitly socialist perspective?

Terrorist Fistbump
Jan 29, 2009

by Nyc_Tattoo

Well you can't really expect better from MoCo can you

Terrorist Fistbump
Jan 29, 2009

by Nyc_Tattoo

Postoyevsky posted:

https://twitter.com/mags_mclaugh/status/1083836411390746624?s=19

*faaaart*

reminder that this person is a colossal dumbass

this is cowardice

Terrorist Fistbump
Jan 29, 2009

by Nyc_Tattoo

Lightning Knight posted:

Relatedly, isn’t Jacobin owned by some rich rear end in a top hat? I seem to recall a scandal last year when they bought a British (?) leftist magazine and the dude fired all the staff with no notice lmao.

He bought a defunct magazine's name and archives, and handed the former employees a check for back pay along with a pink slip. It's now Jacobin UK, which is better than being defunct but only barely.

Terrorist Fistbump
Jan 29, 2009

by Nyc_Tattoo

Syndlig posted:

it was actually a still-active magazine, and he straight up lied to the writers by telling them he would keep them on the project if they accepted partial back pay and dropped their claim and lawsuit against then-owner Owen Oysten. this was a requirement of the deal negotiated between Oysten and Sunkara, by Oysten, not offered out of the goodness of Sunkara's heart. he then proceeded to fire the three writers who'd been keeping the publication running by working for free for several years.

https://medium.com/@pplswar/3-fired-tribune-staffers-fact-check-bhaskar-sunkaras-statement-43b60ad4b25f

Hmm yeah that is quite a bit worse than what I had last read

Terrorist Fistbump
Jan 29, 2009

by Nyc_Tattoo

Marxist Center sounds like an interesting project and I sincerely hope the people running it are smarter than this cause laffo

Terrorist Fistbump
Jan 29, 2009

by Nyc_Tattoo
I'm an outside observer and don't pay much attention to what the org as a whole is doing these days, but I'm interested in knowing what the big issues at this year's convention will be. Is it too early to tell?

Terrorist Fistbump
Jan 29, 2009

by Nyc_Tattoo
That person is shocked and disappointed that DSA is essentially the same organization that it was in 2016, which kind of throws me because it's the exact reason I haven't joined up despite going to a lot of meetings and events.

Terrorist Fistbump
Jan 29, 2009

by Nyc_Tattoo
It would be cool if the website had any real substance to it, but alas it appears the game went over budget and they had to cut corners

Terrorist Fistbump
Jan 29, 2009

by Nyc_Tattoo

Taintrunner posted:

there’s a pretty good chapo bit about how advertising and design standards have shifted to pastels and twee in order to treat millennial workers like babies. you see it all the time on the subway, it’s trash.

Who cares

Terrorist Fistbump
Jan 29, 2009

by Nyc_Tattoo

Taintrunner posted:

they want leadership roles in DSA. this is the first thing you see. so yes, you should care one way or the other.

Hmm i think you are giving their strategy of "have a great aesthetic, stay positive, and say nothing contentious or even informative" too much credit. You can't solve their website's problems with a different coat of paint.

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Terrorist Fistbump
Jan 29, 2009

by Nyc_Tattoo
What's the DSA's plans for political education between now and the next convention? I'm not talking solely about reading theory texts and discussing them, I'm also including basic stuff like ensuring loud members can answer the question "what does the word 'strategy' mean and what are some good and bad ones"

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